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  1. anunakki

    anunakki Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Question for Mac guys.

    Ive got a Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5 with 1.5gb memory. Its running OS X 10.3.9.

    Theres a piece of software called ZBrush 3 that I want to run on it but its Windows only at this time so I need Boot Camp.

    So my question is will my machine handle an upgrade to Leopard 10.5 well or do I need to get a newer machine/ram upgrade ?
     
  2. WJHMH

    WJHMH Two Time F1 World Champ
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    When you upgrade to Leopard, it has software that will allow you to run windows with Bootcamp.
     
  3. P1-EH

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    I'd recommend vmware fusion. You can run Windows within MacOS. I use it for some non-Mac friendly software as well as MS Office.
     
  4. nopassn

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    I would think that should run Leopard just fine. However, if you're going to run Parallels, or the like, and run both OSes at the same time, you might add some more ram. I've got my macbook (2.4 ghz, core 2 duo, 2 gig ram OS X 10.5.4) running just fine though - both OSes at the same time.
     
  5. anunakki

    anunakki Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Right but will my machine handle Leopard well or is not powerful enough ? I dont know if Leopard is a hog or not.

    Will look into fusion.

    Thanks Nopassn
     
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    If you were/are just going to dual boot and only run one at a time, I wouldn't think you'd have any problems.
     
  7. Fast_ian

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    Whoa! - Guys! - All bets are off right there!......

    Bootcamp, VMWare and Parallels *only* work with an Intel based Mac.

    FWIW (assuming you have an Intel Mac of course):

    1. Bootcamp "works" - The Mac *is* a peesee when booted from BC - The best option if you want to play games. The downside is that rebooting between the two gets really old, really fast

    2. Parallels is my current choice - Coherence mode and the "graphics driver" are a PITA.

    3. Haven't tried Vmware - Would love to hear any reviews.

    Cheers,
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  8. DMC

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    I only hear it from the VMWare side (remember, I'm that pesky PC guy), and have only played with it a little bit, but Fusion performs a little better than Parallels - less impact on the host (Mac).
     
  9. anunakki

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    Ahh good info about the Intel thing.... I dont have an Intel machine...its Power PC.

    So I do have to get a new machine...sigh I already have 4 of them and I hate the hassle of selling these things.
     
  10. Fast_ian

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    You have 4 Power PC Mac's? - A regular "server farm" with the right S/W.......

    I was intrigued enough about your Windows only S/W ("Zbrush 3") that I went and found 'em - From their site:

    However, for version 3 it does say:

    So, it appears it will run natively on the "latest" H/W, but for Power PC"s you're back a release..... Which makes sense IMHO.

    cheers,
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  11. anunakki

    anunakki Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Yeah I have one Mac in my studio office. Two in my house and a laptop but only the office Mac is Intel. The ones at home (where I want to use the software) are all PowerPC. I guess I could switch them.

    I would sell the two G5s from the house but dealing with people on craigslist and all that isnt worth it.

    ZBrush is an amazing piece of software but V.3 is light years ahead of V.2 and my friends have said the changes are so drastic that I shouldnt even bother with V.2

    Pixelogic hasnt released V.3 for the Mac yet so Im stuck running the windows simulator.
     
  12. Fast_ian

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    My apologies - I read the "specs" page, and as noted they "claim" a Mac OSX version, albeit only on Intel Macs. Further "poking" indeed confirmed that the OSX version was "coming soon".... I wonder how "soon" as it looks pretty heavy on system resources (2GB ram recommended for example!) and both Parallels & VMWare do need some resources to do their thing - I suspect it may be really slow. [Incidentally, their forums have 80 odd pages of "ZBrush3 on the Mac" posts - The great unwashed are not happy!]

    I think I'd be inclined to try Bootcamp on an Intel Mac and load it up there. As I said, booting between the two gets really old, really fast but hopefully there'll be a native OSX version really soon and you won't have to deal with virtualization S/W.

    As for your "old" PPC machines, I have one set up as a "media server" (think Apple TV on steroids) - Runs great. I have another with a "guest" account that anyone who visits can use (and not screw up! :)

    Good luck,
    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  13. Fast_ian

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    Thanks for that - Even it does come from a "pesky PC guy" :)

    I don't play games, and both Parallels & VMWare claim long lists of compatible games. However, where I've struggled with Parallels is it's "video driver". It seems to break more than it fixes. Any comments on VMWare's graphics system? Do you know if it supports DirectX-latest (10?) etc?

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  14. anunakki

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    I brought my Intel Mac home and have upgraded to 3gigs.

    Okay next stage of questions.

    Should I run Fusion, Parallels or Bootcamp ? Do those programs come with the Windows OS or do I need to go buy Vista or another one ?

    This machine will pretty much be dedicated to this one program ZBrush but Id like to switch back to the Mac OS when I need to go on the internet to hopefully avoid getting viruses.

    All advice is appreciated

    I apologize but Im a computer moron.
     
  15. TG

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    I wish I could be of help, as I haven't loaded anything Windows related onto my macbook pro yet. But, don't you find it funny this section has a common theme?
     
  16. Fast_ian

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    S-w-e-e-t!

    Firstly, you need a "real" Windows XP or Vista disk and keycode - "Weird" upgrades that got you to XP on a regular PC *will* **** things up. In general, XP (either Home or Pro) is considered the best way to go (Who needs Vista and that pain?).

    Assuming you have the requisite XP disk (and key) I would start with installing it under Bootcamp - Follow the intstructions - It needs a burnable CD to generate a PC "driver" collection that will be installed as part of the XP install. When it's done you'll have a machine that'll boot either XP or Mac OSX. Apply all applicable patches. Life is good.....

    As stated, once booted (via BC) into XP, you *are* running a PC, and therefore need to take appropriate precautions..... I've found AVG (free) firewall/virus checker/etc from grisoft does what I need.....Which is very little.....

    Once you've got that mess going, and have applied all the patches that M$, AVG and anything else installed want, you can install ZBrush 3. Get it setup the way you want [It looks *very* configurable] and make sure it's "stable" - 3gig sounds good, but give it a good "test drive".

    By this stage you'll want your Mac back :)

    I can't recommend either Parallels or Fusion, and last I checked, neither could the great unwashed - "You pays your money, and takes your choice." Both of 'em allow you to "migrate" your (known working) XP partition to run as a virtual machine. Again, follow the instructions and it's not hard. Bring up the VM, start ZBrush and report back.... [I'm particularly interested in "your" app's relative performance under BC or whichever VM you choose. Thanks!]

    Cheers,Good luck,
    Ian
     
  17. anunakki

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    Thank you so much for writing all that ...very helpful !

    I guess I need to go buy XP as the next step.

    Will post an update as soon as I can
     
  18. anunakki

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    Umm since Vista is now the standard am I stuck buying XP from an online retailer or ?
     
  19. Fast_ian

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    Last I checked (~month back?) XP was on the shelf at Frys....

    Note that an "upgrade" disk will not work.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  20. QT3141

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    Very limited alternatives to run Intel applications on a PowerPC platform. I'm only familiar with Bochs - but it is slow because every Intel CPU instruction has to be mapped to one or more (probably more) PowerPC instructions. Not worth the trouble.
     
  21. anunakki

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    Thought Id post an update.

    After about 8 hours of installing and futzing around my Mac runs windows xp very well and by using Fusion I dont have to reboot. This really is remarkable.

    Thank you everyone for your help.
     
  22. Seth

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    how do you run both at the same time?
     
  23. anunakki

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    Fusion by VMware allows you to run both without rebooting.
     
  24. Fast_ian

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    Glad you're having fun! Did you install it via Bootcamp and then migrate to Fusion, or go straight to Fusion?

    How's ZBrush running?

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  25. anunakki

    anunakki Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Bootcamp then Fusion

    ZBrush is running very smoothly. great program.

    Thanks again !
     

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