WTF? I've never called anyone a "Bernie worshiper" or anything like that. Not sure where you've pulled that from. Have I called Ian an apologist? You bet. Why? F1 has been too slow since 2005. I know. I don't have a problem with the engines, but I can't understand why things like the double diffuser get banned. Look, I get that the cars will get faster, but even as it stands if they pick up 3-4 seconds they're still much slower than last year. That concerns me. The joys of boost Hopefully they let them turn up the wick some
There have been plenty of reg changes since 2005 precisely to slow them down, many of those changes were quite radical, and most of the time they were running on crappy tyres (rock solid Bridgestones of too soft Pirellis). And still they were going quite fast in 2013. If they allow some stabilty under the current regulations, cars will get a lot faster quite soon, specially as they have lot of room for improvement right now, quite the opposite than in the last seasons.
So basically you're just backing up my argument. The '83 cars still found the speed and were only a couple seconds slower than their '82 counterparts. I mainly was referring to a 10 year span, not one year. Check out '83 vs. '73 and look how much faster the cars were in '83 (7-8 seconds FASTER) whereas we're about 7 seconds slower than 2004 at the moment. I stand by my point that this is the first time in the history of F1 where cars that are 10 years more modern are more than 5 seconds a lap slower than the old cars. An eternity, and they would be lapped multiple times in a race by an '04 car even with the '04 car taking time to refuel.
I wouldn't hold my breath on witnessing any "stability" in this sport. There has been a major rule change each year since 2005 to slow the cars down. Why? I have no idea, the cars and tracks are safer than they've ever been and change costs the teams big $$$$$.
[ame]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtJqGb7Lpc[/ame] Listen to the Mercedes in this video. Sounds totally different from when the launched the car.
Sounds like a civic with a fart can at low revs and a subie at high revs. Makes me so angry I didn't go to a race last year. I never heard the "sound" that made F1 famous.
I'd prefer 'optimist', but it's all good.. You'd have hated the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's then.... Cheers, Ian
Gotta be honest, even I find that pretty depressing! The Ferrari sounded *marginally* better, but not a whole lot. I'm glad I got to hear the Matra 12, the Ferrari boxer and the V10's among many others...... Hopefully Bernie will work some magic somehow. (At least he got rid of the stupid 'they must be electric only in the pitlane idea!) As to their speed, are the many here who wanted to 'ban aero' happy now? Careful what you wish for...... Cheers, Ian
I will try to use that from here on That argument doesn't work because the 50s fans couldn't have imagined how fast the 60s would be, the 70s fans couldn't have imagined how fast they would get in the 80s, etc. With each decade back then, cars were reaching new performance heights every year. Lately we've been regressing. With today's cars, I know we've gone much faster in the past.
Can you really "ban aero?" I can't remember many suggesting that. The line I always see is "more power, more tire, less aero." We've gone to "less power, less tire, less aero" and voila here we are with slow cars.
Thanks! Sorry, I was being a little facetious there. I hear you, and do understand what you're getting at. I guess we've just got to trust that they'll get back there sometime, hopefully sooner rather than later. Cheers, Ian
Something isn't right with that video... They're not the greatest sounding things ever but they're not that bad. Here's a better clip: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqQbdEJsjHQ]Formula 1 testing 2014 Jerez [HD] pure V6 turbo sound - YouTube[/ame]
Of course not, and a point I've tried to make many times. I can.... Seems they've got the power, or at least plenty of torque, which should be a good thing. We've also got less aero, and that's had the expected effect of slowing them down, and the whines get louder.... As I said, careful what you (not you personally ) wish for.... As for tires, Pirelli got pilloried last year, no surprise they've gone 'conservative' right now. I'm not sure now, but think they can still mess with the compounds for a while yet - Hopefully it'll improve before Melbourne. As for "more tire", I still recall the great Gilles saying (something like) "leave the power alone but lets run F3 tires. That'll sort the men from the boys! Would also increase braking distances and hence allow more overtaking as that's where most gets done". Cheers, Ian
The clip I posted is day 3. This is from day 1 or day 2. There a few over videos of day 3 and 4 where the Mercedes sounds different
http://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-news/double-nosed-e22-tested-lotus-friday/ Should be interesting. Sent from my XT1055 using Tapatalk
Indeed.... I wouldn't be at all surprised if Renault are funding the whole adventure too.... Gets 'em back out for a couple of days at least, and Fauxtus get to do a little shakedown - A "win-win".... Hopefully..... Cheers, Ian
That's a great idea! We could revive "The Race of Two Worlds"! Especially at a track that has some very fast parts. FIA could grant waivers to the F1 teams for just that one race about engines and transmissions, as could IRL to the IndyCar teams. We should seize this moment to gain a fascinating comparison and experience some great racing! Jacob Potts NOTE "The Race of Two Worlds" American championship cars raced on the Monza oval in 1957 and 1958 alongside Formula One and sports cars in the non-championship Race of Two Worlds. ^ Galpin, Darren. "The Race of Two Worlds". 8W. Forix Autosport.com. Archived from the original on January 23, 2012. Retrieved January 23, 2012.
Some have said that Red Bull will lose their biggest advantage they had over the years, rear aero, with the new regs. I've completely forgotten about this until just now, watching the 2002 Monza race and talking about wings. Remember how small a rear wing they where running last year? RB was running a Monza spec wing at almost all races last year... Sure their big problem currently is getting the engine to work, but when that's done; it should once again be a force to be reckoned with...
Getting the engine to work is one thing. Getting it to produce as much power with as little fuel consumption relative to MB and Ferrari is another story. Renault is lagging severely. Given all the issues to contend with even with working power units should concern McLaren and Honda as well, being a year behind everyone. The foundation for current KERS side of energy recovery is from all the experience the teams have had since 2009. Though they developed one, Honda never raced a KERS system.
i saw this on my feed this am gents. render of williams martini racing livery: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N8gPbEDkcRw/UueuiXQTxJI/AAAAAAAACIk/dDJiqMjgsI0/s1600/williams+lateral.png http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BxDK252mlaw/Uuev9XQFylI/AAAAAAAACIs/42qACGBuc-g/s1600/williams+frente.png
