Would Michael Schumacher make a good team boss?

The D50. Now THAT was a beautiful car. (Seriously)

 

Don't lecture me about business, you idiot. I clearly have forgotten more about the business world than you are likely going to learn in several lifetimes.

Until you learn to read and stop parroting your incessant babble, you have nothing to add to this discussion. Now shut the **** up.

 

remy,

I have respect for everyone here but that idiot imperial83. I am not the only one here who is sick and tired of his incessant repeating of the same tired old horsesh1t. It is impossible to have an intelligent debate with that idiot. If my language was offensive, I apologize, but I would like to see the moderators ban that moron for a while, at least until he gets a letter from his parents allowing him onto this site.

Perhaps if there were an verifiable ownership requirement, past or present, to be allowed to post on this site, we wouldn't have the 15 year old jackarses like imperial using up bandwidth.

 

twk; take it easy.
Just realize that Imperial has a rather fiirmly set opinion; A true tifosi.
Were on Fchat.
Taken in one way , those opinions are rather enjoyable.

 

Once again your choice profanity clearly displays a lack of education beyond infant potty training. So clearly you have forgotten more than you think.

Your requirement for ownership past and present cannot filter me out either!

In the case you want to start learning some where down the road you should start by reading:

Your HISTORY Lesson:

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Enzo Ferrari's true passion, despite his extensive road car business, was always auto racing. His Scuderia started as an independent sponsor for drivers in various cars, but soon became the Alfa Romeo in-house racing team. After Ferrari's departure from Alfa, he began to design and produce cars of his own; the Ferrari team first appeared on the European Grand Prix scene after the end of World War II.

In 1949, Luigi Chinetti drove a Model 166M to Ferrari's first win in motorsports, which was at the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Chinetti drove the automobile for all except twenty minutes of the Grand Prix race. Chinetti soon became the American dealer for Ferraris and established the North American Racing Team, Ferrari's official racing arm. The dealership is reported to have provided the sales that kept the company in business through sales to wealthy Americans, such as Briggs Cunningham, who bought the first one Chinetti sold through the new dealership.

The Scuderia joined the Formula One World Championship in the first year of its existence, 1950. José Froilán González gave the team its first victory at the 1951 British Grand Prix.

Alberto Ascari gave Ferrari its first Drivers Championship a year later. Ferrari is the oldest team left in the championship, not to mention the most successful: the team holds nearly every Formula One record. As of 2005, the team's records include fourteen World Drivers Championship titles (1952, 1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1964, 1975, 1977, 1979, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004), fourteen World Constructors Championship titles (1961, 1964, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1982, 1983, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004), 179 Grand Prix victories, 3,445 and a half points, 544 podium finishes, 174 pole positions, 11,182 laps led, and 180 fastest laps in 1,622 Grands Prix contested.

Notable Ferrari drivers include Tazio Nuvolari, Juan Manuel Fangio, Luigi Chinetti, Alberto Ascari, Phil Hill, Olivier Gendebien, Mike Hawthorn, Peter Collins, John Surtees, Jacky Ickx, Mario Andretti, Niki Lauda, Jody Scheckter, Gilles Villeneuve, Gerhard Berger, Nigel Mansell, Alain Prost, Jean Alesi, and Michael Schumacher.
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well, LoL...i just think the debate between u two are rather funny. but i guess u gotta ask Luis for tips when ur going against Impy.

 

Twk63, you need to tone down your language. Please.

Imperial's rants have been discussed in the moderators' section and there are arguments for freedom of speech etc. Imperial has also been warned about trolling.

Personally I like your requirement for ownership and it has been discussed as well. It is however not really a good measure as it would exclude a lot of valuable contributors. Also verifying ownership could open a can of worms. And furthermore I don't see what owning a Ferrari has got anything to do with discussing F1. Ownership arguments play a much bigger role in questions directly related to the cars.

Imperial, care to elaborate how ownership wouldn't exclude you? You got me curious.

 

No problem, tifosi.

I am heartened to hear that you have warned that idiot about trolling. I don't believe for one second that he is over the age of 15.

This is a Ferrari website and I think it should be reserved for only Ferrari owners, past or present, to post in. There are plenty of other F1 sites for that idiot to troll on. I am frustrated to have to wade through his enormous amount of idiotic drivel to get through to a coherent discussion. I, for one, think this site would be well served by having that moron booted.

 

I once met one of the most knowledgeable FChatters for all things F1. I was blown away when I realized he was a young kid. His knowledge and the maturity in his postings gave you the impression he was at least in his twenties if not older. Age is a relative thing.

As I said before I don't see what ownership has to do with F1 opinions. As an owner I get more upset about non owners making statements of what a Ferrari should look like/be treated like etc. To those I want to say: Go buy one and see how you feel about it then and make those statements. <but I digress>

If Imperial's posts upset you, put him on your ignore list. You won't see him until somebody quotes him. I bet some folks have me on ignore as well.

 

You have a PM.

 

Yes, but he's the exception to the rule.

Most young folks have little, if anything, consequantial to add to the discussion. I think they would be well served be reading more and posting less.

Done. Thanks!

 

What I would not give to be 15 again...

 

I am not sure about VW but the rest of them have significant racing history if not as deep or continuous.

Audi:
- GP racing - Auto Union raced for a brief period: 5 years
- Rally - Quattro
- Sportscars - IMSA, Transam racing, DTM, Speed World Challenge
- Pikes Peak
- Le Mans - recent history of wins

Porsche:
- Rally: 60s, 70s
- Le Mans:for several decades
- F1: Partnership with McLaren in 80s and also in the 60s - more of an engine supplier relationship then a full participant
- Sportscars: GT3 cup, IMSA, ALMS
- Paris Dakar: 959
Porsche has significant continuous participation and is damned good at the series it participates in.

Mercedes:
- GP - 30s, 50s, 1997 onwards partnership with McLaren
- Sports cars: Has been racing since early 1900s sort of continuously till 1955 except for the war era and the poor state of the industry in post WWII era. The 1955 Le Mans incident made MB quite racing for many decades. I think it was sort of convenient as the team wanted to focus on building their road car busiensses anyway. They reemerged in 80s with DTM and Le Mans partnering with Peter Sauber.

 

Of course they have! Ferrari is only 60 years old at most.

Mercedes was one of the pioneer in GP in the early 1900, winning French GP, taking several land speed records and races in America too.
It came back in the 20s, in GP too, but with the famous SSKL sports car; Caracciola won the Mille Miglia with it, plus there was several participations at Le Mans.
In the 30s, the Mercedes Silver Arrows dominated GPs, they regularly defeated Alfa-Romeo, Bugatti and others, winning all the European Championships bar one.
The make came back in sports cars in early 50s, with a win in the Mille Miglia (Stirling Moss, fastest average speed ever), and at Le Mans (Lang-Riess). In GP, Fangio won the World Chamionship in 54-55 with a Mercedes, and the won the World Constructors Chamionship the same year, winning everywhere (TT, Targa Florio) apart from Le Mans where they were withdrawn after the death of Levegh (They were leading). They stopped racing at the end of 55.
Mercedes came back in competition in touring car and rallying in the 60s. They won the 24 Hours of Spa and the Argentinian Gran Nacional.
On the 80, they teamed with Sauber, won 2 Sports Cars World Championships and Le Mans. Sauber entered F1 with Mercedes engines, and we all know that now they are with McLaren (Hakkinen, Coulthard, Raikkonen, Montoya).

Porsche raced and rallied extensively since the 50s, winning many class victories. In 1960-61, they raced in GP with the only air-cooled F1 car to win a GP (Dan Gurney at the French GP).
From 1967, they challenged for victory at Le Mans, which they finally won in 1970. Since, they won Le Mans 13 times! Plus many Sports Cars Championships. They also dominated the GT categories in endurance. Porsche won several European Rally Championships (Zasada), the Monte Carlo Rally (Bjorn Waldegaard, Nicolas) and the Paris-Dakar.

Audi, which is a resurection of the pre-war alliance Auto-Union, can claim motor racing fame too, with success in GPs in the 30s (Rosemeyer, Stuck) and one European Championship.

 

hehe..i don;t agree...cos i don't have a Ferrari...yet....

 

He never quits... always fights till the end.

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Michael Schumacher believes Ferrari are still capable of turning the season on its head by winning the drivers' and constructors' championship.

"I think our chances of turning the championship around are very good. Lots of things can still happen in the remaining four races and I still think we have every reason to dream of winning both titles," Schumacher said on his personal site michael-schumacher.rtl.de.

Schumacher trails Fernando Alonso by 12 points heading into Sunday's Monza Grand Prix and Renault are two points ahead of Ferrari in the team standings.

"Monza is always a special race. The Italian Grand Prix has always been very important for Ferrari and a lot of significant things have happened here over the years," said Schumacher. "Our strategy has to be attacking.
We have to close the gap and the only way to do that is by consistently putting on pressure and pushing hard."

Ferrari are poised to reveal their drivers for 2007 after the Monza race and the main interest surrounds the future of the 37-year-old Schumacher who could announce his retirement from the sport this weekend.

"All I can do is ask everyone to understand that I don't want to touch on that subject until next Sunday," added Schumacher.

E.A.
Source AFP

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Thank you for the memories Michael!

Best of luck for number 8 and best of luck for whatever you decide to do in the future!

 

^^ I agree .. .Last year when even Jean, Ross and Luca were complaining about Bridgestone dropping the ball, Michael was the only one who did not resort to the blame game. He acknowledged that the package was not where it should be and that Ferrari and its partners need to work together to solve the problem.

I think Michael's determination, team building skills and management skills are topclass. He doesnt have a management degree or anything but he is a born leader. If he put the same level of attention to detail to team management as he does to driving, he will make a splendid team boss.

I think Alain Prost was a fabulous thinker when it came to his driving but he lacked the management and motivational skills that Michael has and was not a successful team boss.

Michae will be superb at whatever he does.

 

I think MS's huge ego might be a problem if he runs a team.

 

Michael could very easily say whatever he wanted but the honest truth is, he wasn't the one that had to fix it. Luca, Ross, etc had that responsibilty. All he had to do was drive the car. Those skills are totally different than managing people. He'd be complaining too if he had to deal with all that.

I get a kick out of people that say Michael built the team and all that jazz. Michael didn't build squat, Ferrari hired all the old Benneton people, a threw wads of money at winning the title. Ferrari's management built that team no one else. The truth is unless he ever actually does we'll never know if he'd be a good team boss unless he does it.

 

It will be wrong say that Michael deserves the entire credit. But still Michael was influential in getting Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne to the team. He asked for them in 1996 and they were there from 1997.

 

Hmmmm....

Stay with a team on the decline or follow Schumacher to a team with virtually unlimited resources and enormous prestige for a huge salary increase?

Oh yeah, it must have taken enormous power of pursuasion by MS

 

agreed. i think it's a whole team thing. whenever a driver wins races, or world titles, he becomes a hero, while the entire team...unsung heroes..

 

Don't forget Ferrari was the one paying the bills as well. The whole MS built the team thing is just plain silly. Ferrari built the team.............

 

yes. money issues aside, but i don't think anyone can deny the fact that MS was there when Ferrari needed him. he's like a leader, a motivator for the whole team. u can have all money in the world, but if u dun have a proper team leader, doesn't make any difference whether ur rich or poor.

real madrid proved this. while, barcelona was struggling till they landed ronaldinho. he, was like MS... built the team around him, made his presence felt.

 

This is true, of course but the team would have gotten behind any top driver that was winning. Winning is the great motivator. Michael didn't have to be in the garage like RAH RAH Lets go guys, all he had to do was his job nothing else. MS was smart in having people he had worked with before come with him.