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Would you buy a F-Car with paintwork?

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  1. lear60man

    lear60man Formula 3

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    Assuming that it was only minor damage like a bad scratch or rock chips, would you pass on the car? The more I look for that perfect TR, the more I find that most, at some time or another, have been painted in one area or another. The last one I looked at had a rear quarter repainted flawlessly (color, texture etc). My main concern is that it would drasticly affect resale.
     
  2. speedracer5

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    I think it depends on why it was re-painted more than being re-painted. In some cases you will find that the factory will repaint or touch up the paint before the first owner even receives it. As Ferrari has been for many years a handbuilt car production line. It is only until recently that Ferrari has really stepped into the modern way of building their cars. So I don't think some of the issues you are asking about have had any impact on F-car pricing over the years. If a F-car has been in an accident and had to have work done to the body as well as repainted then yes it will affect the resell price of the F-car. But otherwise no I don't think so.
     
  3. damcgee

    damcgee Formula 3

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    Also, as you have said, nearly every car has been resprayed on the front to hide rock chips. Many owners have this done every 1-2 years, so a TR may have been sprayed 5 or 6 times.
     
  4. speedracer5

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    damcgee,

    Very true. Good point.
     
  5. Scotty

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    I'll second that. I had my old 360 front "bumper" pulled twice and respayed for rock chips. An accident is one thing, respraying to maintain the integrity of the paint layer is another
     
  6. Ron328

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    So long as it wasn't due to a major accident and the repaint was done well.

    A portion of the rear panel (where the plate is) on my 328 was "cracking," so it was repainted. Steve Harris Imports (Salt Lake City) did an excellent job
    you wouldn't even notice.

    You'll get stone chip(s) regardless...unless your car is a garage queen.
     
  7. f355spider

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    Short of a "garage queen", I don't think you can find a Ferrari that has not been repainted...it just has to be. The fronts get a lot of stone pecks and the wheel arches get sand blasted at the bottom, rear edge...just a fact of life that they will have to be periodically (and professionally) repainted. In fact, cars that have NOT been repainted will show it....and it doesn't look pretty.

    A properly repainted section should be virtually undetectible, short of getting out a paint guage...so not sure what you are worrying about.

    It only effects resale if the buyer will not purchase, or expects a discount...I don't see that as the case. If you are that worked up about it, you probably shouldn't get one...since you will constantly worry about putting another mark in the paint. That or you will not drive it (an even greater sin in my book). ;)
     
  8. TOM B

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    Agree. You shouldn't buy a Ferrari. Stocks are a better investment. Leave the "repainted Ferraris" for bottom feeders like me and Dave. ;)
     
  9. jsa330

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    MY 330 2+2 has been repainted two or three times in the forty years since new. Current silver paint is in VG condition with some small chips, dings, and scratches, but it wouldn't be a comfortable driver without them. The PPI mechanic, my current mechanical shop, and an exotic-specialist body shop that repaired a bad ding that I did all were of the opinion that it had never suffered any more than a fenderbender, if that. The repaints didn't deter me from buying it. Like the previous posters said, its hard to find an old Ferrari still in original paint.
     
  10. lear60man

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    The reason behind the question was to see how the real potential market (current owners) feel. Personally I could care less as long as it was only paint work and no frame pulling etc. I wasnt sure how picky Ferrari owners were. If was the kiss of death then I would stay away from it. But from the responses above it sounds like its no big deal. Thanks
     
  11. f355spider

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    Excellent! Get back in the hunt and find your dream car....and get drivin'!
    ;)
     
  12. Theo

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    When I bought my 328 a few years back, I did not know it was repainted. When I sold it, and the buyer wanted a PPI, Ferrari of New England told me that it was repainted! However, they said it was a quality job.

    In the end, it did not affect the sales price of the car when I sold it.

    Theo
     
  13. Texas Forever

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    LOL. Ferraris have a well deserved reputation for being great cars in many areas, but paint ain't one of them. The bad joke back in the day was, "You can't see the paint at 150 MPH."

    So don't sweat it. Even minor accident damage is no big deal. Just so long as the repairs are done by a quality shop, you're in good shape.

    Dale
     
  14. Mike C

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    Yep. I'd rather someone else had the front end rock chips cleaned up up nicely so I don't have to until *I* have put some there!
     
  15. Joe G.

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    ans : depends on what has been repainted and why.

    front spoiler and bumper very common and not an issue

    everything else needs explaining

    if it's because the guy hit the side of a mountain, i'd pass on the car
     
  16. millemiglia

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    As long as the job is done to the highest standard I wouldn't worry much about the paintwork as long as it's only to cover some ugly stone-chips.

    My only concern would be if the car had been involved in a major accident or not.

    /Peter
     
  17. jimpo1

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    I did buy a Ferrari that had paint work. And I've had some more done.
     
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    firstly, if it was an extremely high quality paint job on just say a fender or quarter panel from a door ding. How would you know anyways? i'm sure the seller isn't going to tell you. also from what i hear the factory paint jobs aren't superb, i was told by a dealer it is next to impossible to tell if a car has been repainted in certain areas or if it is original paint. He said on many occasions he new of a cars exact history, and could of sworn the car had paintwork, but new they didn't.
     
  19. Jack(LA)

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    I agree with Dale -- factory paint on a Ferrari is not its strong suit. In fact, the new bad joke is, "the Ferrari factory considers paint to be nothing more than 'corrosion protection'." ;)
     
  20. pcelenta

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    "LOL. Ferraris have a well deserved reputation for being great cars in many areas, but paint ain't one of them. The bad joke back in the day was, "You can't see the paint at 150 MPH."

    kinda reminds me of a comment that I think Scagletti made when it was pointed out to him that the right fender of one of his ferrari's wasn't the same contour as the left....."you only look at one side of the car at a time" ..sort of looses some of the umph when translated to english.
     
  21. jaturon

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    Couldn't agree more. Ferrari is known for its beauty and speed as long as the car has not been in any mojor accident then paintwork should not affect its value. I am the third owner of my 328 and the colour was originally oro chiaro which is metallic gold. The first owner changed the colour to rosso which the second owner did not know about. I found out that it was not its original colour but it did not affect our agreed price. The car is beautiful with good record and well maintained.
     
  22. Lawrence Coppari

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    From 1988 to 1992, my car had received numerous paint chips. The factory paint readily chipped. Compared to other vehicles I owned with the saime paint, my beloved Ferrari received more chips. I had it redone at an authorized paint shop in Greensboro, NC in 1992. The original paint was used - Glasuit - not sure of spelling. Evidently, the application or whatever was much better as the car is no where near as susceptible to chipping as it was then. The next year I sent another car of mine to the same paint shop. Same excellent result.
     
  23. bernardo66

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    Not only was the 308 I bought a repaint, the colour was changed from silver to red (10 years ago!). It was impeccably done and I've even got compliments from other paint shops on the finish.

    Like others have said, if the work was done properly, then there's no need for alarm.
     
  24. 9software

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    Hi I'm a dealer and a F-car enthusiast. Paintwork pretty much crushes a 360, unless it's on the front bumper. Especially on silver and metallic cars you can almost never get it perfectly matched in all lighting. Everyone is usually fine with bumper repaints. However, most people looking for a Ferrari ideally wants a garage queen in flawless shape but end up settling for less. You will find that the first question out of anyone's mouth when you're selling your car is "has it ever had paintwork". You will eliminate 75% of callers who won't even consider looking at your car cuz of paintwork. Take into consideration that most exotic car buyer/sellers are hundreds of miles away, so you have to pick and choose which cars are worth looking at. So basically the only way to keep that person on the phone is to go soft on price.
    Also most repaints I've seen are bad jobs. Yes your average Joe won't be able to spot the repaint or slight mismatch, but many professionals (car dealers, body shop workers) or hard-core enthusiasts can tell. How embarassing is it if people can tell when you're driving down the street or parked somewhere and your door is a different color silver than the rest of the car.
    The older you get the more forgiving people are on paintwork. If you buy a 1965 Ferrari, people will expect there to be paintwork more than not, but no accident history. However for a modern 360, paintwork is not common.
    Take into consideration that most people are insane about their exotics - you're not going to drive it like your average Ford Expedition. So when you see people careless about their cars then it's a hint on how that owner drives and thinks about their car.

     
  25. lear60man

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    I found my quasi perfect TR. And yes it has never beed painted. There is a small area on the lower passenger door that needs to be touched up but I will take detailed pics befor and after to properly document the process.
     

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