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Would you buy a modern “Heritage Ferrari” if Ferrari made it?

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Would you pay a premium for a modern “Heritage Ferrari?”

  1. YES

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  2. NO

    15 vote(s)
    25.4%
  1. italiafan

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    Okay folks, this is the World’s biggest and most active Ferrari enthusiast site. You can be absolutely sure that people at the Factory in Maranello read this site, so let’s send them a message from all us enthusiasts.
    We know there are regulations, and we know there are ways of getting around or bending those rules as a small volume manufacturer. Furthermore, if there are fines we are willing to share in those costs in the price of the car.
    So, having said all that, all you enthusiasts please answer this very simple poll. Send a message to Ferrari!

    If Ferrari had a “Heritage Line” of cars, or a single “Heritage Model” that included the following parameters, would you pay a premium for such a car?? (By premium I mean if regular production car is ~$500K, and Icona is ~$1M, this car would be ~$650+K optioned well.)

    OPTION A: Yes I would buy this type of car!
    1. Beautiful classic front engined Ferrari design. Sweeping feminine curves. Minimal aero ducts and gizmos. Think blending vintage 250 line with F12 for example.
    2. NA V12 engine. It is fine if it isn’t the fastest car in internet racing. Limit is to the current 812 performance, but okay to improve efficiencies, etc. 800hp is fine, enough.
    3. Classic leather dripped interiors. Heritage leathers in fact. Leather and more leather.
    4. Analog gauges, with beautiful jeweled finishes like the days of old. ALL gauges. Maybe could ingeniously hide a screen somewhere in dash for navigation functions. But I’m not even sure about this concession.
    5. Offer a manual option. Yes, it will be even slower. But so what!? We’re the clients and give us the option to buy it if we want. Charge a premium for it even, development costs, etc.

    OPTION B: No I have no interest at all, I’m more of a modern guy. I prefer hybrids, turbos, EV, digital screens, I don’t care. I’m fine with tech fabrics. Just don’t be slower than McLaren, or Lambo, or Toyota, etc. I would NOT buy such a car described above. I’ll only buy the bleeding edge.

    Even if you are a collector and would actually buy both A and B still respond “YES” because indeed you would be willing to buy such a car to put it in your collection, even if not driving it on a regular basis like you might a 296.

    Please don’t answer with things like, “It will never happen...” Okay, I get it. Just go with the flow of what this poll is asking...if there were a tiny tiny minuscule chance that it could happen when the time came would you actually sign up, put down a deposit and buy such a car?

    If hundreds of you enthusiasts worldwide said “Yes!” and you know Maranello is reading this...well...a boy can dream. :)

    I know I would!
     
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  2. JTSE30

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    Problem is, there are some EU regulations that result in a "monetary fine" (such as too much CO2 emitted, as silly as that is, it is a fine), but, there are other regulations that result in a "stop sale" and exhaust noise levels, crash-worthiness as well as other safety measures all result in a "stop sale", no fine will be assessed.

    By the time Ferrari could create such a V12 model, it will be 5+ years and the sound regulations will be unbearable, essentially no noise, it will be very quiet, less than 70 decibels, probably close to 68...could be 69

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  3. italiafan

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    32 people read thread...3 voted. What is wrong with just answering a poll?
     
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  4. Bullfighter

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    The way the poll is phrased is sort of an all-or-nothing. Yes, I would prefer all gauges and no touchpads, etc. I think the Roma is gorgeous, but the iPad interior is going to be dated in a year or two. And yes, the interiors should be great.

    As far as the other items...

    Just buy a classic Ferrari.
     
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  5. Qksilver

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    This is a beautiful description of a 550 Maranello.
     

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  6. Texas Forever

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    Only caveat is I'd have to fit. If yes, where do I put my order in for a Cal Spyder?
     
  7. Bullfighter

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    Yes, and there's no waiting list. Just buy one if that's what you want.
     
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  8. merstheman

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    The reason I voted no is because IMO heritage means looking too much at the past. I think a lot of what you described is in Ferrari's DNA. I'd love to see them make those kinds of cars again, but I don't mind them looking forward too. Definitely no retro designs for me, those are never done as well as the originals. For 650k there are several true classic Ferraris I could buy. I'd go that route first.
     
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  9. plastique999

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    Yes


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  10. Ffre92

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    When I clicked on the thread I assumed I would say yes because all my sports cars are manual and NA.

    But, at 650k I would not be a buyer. I think that would mostly cater to the limited/collector/vip crowd. And I agree with qksilver, 550/575 are perfect already for analog v12, 6mt gt cars. If I could dream up any improvements, it would be to have ceramic brakes, drop a few hundred lb, and a miraculous change in heart at Ferrari to eliminate sticky bits and shrinking dash!

    Instead, I’d you said in ur poll a modern reincarnation of the Dino, small, light, mid v6, carbon tub, 6mt, minimal electronics, 200-250k, I’m in!!!
     
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  11. Saile

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    If I could get an analog V12, manual with a warranty and support from dealerships to maintain it would be a no brainer for me.
     
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  12. anunakki

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    Because the vast majority, even here, cant afford a $600k car - so we dont vote
     
  13. ScottS

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    Yes.


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  14. vonbeeler

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    I’ve owned almost every V8 and a few V12 F cars for 30 years. Im patiently waiting for my F8s order so I don’t want to complain about anything but…

    Yes


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  15. Shark01

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    So over the past 20 years, there have been a lot of these types of attempts to use past styling cues for modern cars. And with ONLY one exception they have looked like bloated abominations compared to the originals. Think about past attempts like:
    Ford Thunderbird
    Dodge Challenger
    Plymouth Prowler
    Lamborghini Countach

    The ONLY exception is the 2005-06 Ford GT, and they had to stop production of that for the 2007 model year because of new government regulations. If you ever want to learn about the challenges in building that car, a Jay Leno garage program on YouTube had an in depth look at that with the designer of the car.

    So the point is the design language that must be used in today’s regulation filled environment just sometimes can’t be combined with design language of the past.
     
  16. Bullfighter

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    This is a great point. I think you could add the Ferrari California to the list — trying to recycle styling cues for a different era and retractable hardtop. The new Countach is an appalling mess, whereas the original is an innovative work of art. Is Lamborghini out of ideas, or just low on cash?

    A “Heritage Ferrari” sounds like too much recycling and not enough inspired, original design. I don’t want a “Heritage Testarossa II.” The past was awesome. Let’s see the next awesome.

    I think the 458 is a good example. While I’m a 308/328 admirer, the 458 brought the mid-engined Ferrari into the present century— preserving the brand aesthetic without being a slave to the past.

    Porsche did well when it replaced the 968 with the Boxster. It can claim lineage with the 550/718 Spyders of the ‘50s and early ‘60s, but it’s an original and in its present iteration a handsome car. Much better than a “Heritage Porsche” that tries and fails to resurrect a 550.






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  17. Shark01

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    I’m sure Lamborghini has further ideas for their next generation of cars, this is just a cash grab to fund those designs and buy time. The Gallardo era ended the same way, lots of odd looking “final” models. The Huracan era is also playing out this way.

    I guess I’m in the minority that liked the 968, but thought the first couple of Boxster/Cayman generations were hideous.....they should have made my list above if I knew they were supposed to be a homage to something else.
     
  18. Bullfighter

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    I thought the post-986 versions improved quite a bit on the original, no doubt. But the concept was excellent, not a warmed over retro homage.

    The 968… felt like Porsche just ran out of money.


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  19. italiafan

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    Understood. However, I would consider the very beautiful Roma to be a more classic design. The 812 replacement is rumored to follow the same route...classic curves, clean and simple lines.
    My desire would be for them to continue a line of cars like that into the future maintaining a NA V12 and ignoring the h.p. wars. Get rid of the digital interface, and keep the interiors elegant.
    They would need to designate it as a “Heritage Line” to avoid the track comparisons with ever more powerful hybrid and EV cars.
    They’d make it clear that outright performance wouldn’t be the goal of that line, but rather gentlemen sports car of yore. Why not just buy a 550 Maranello as others have suggested? Because I would want the latest suspensions, brakes, chassis, and reliability...and spec it to my tastes. The ordering a new Ferrari process is a great joy.
     
  20. willcrook

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    The Countach is a complete joke, I wouldn’t be surprised if Ferrari did a similar kind of cash grab though.

    if it was done tastefully and uniquely then it would be unjustifiably expensive for me, most likely

    there’s still many older Ferraris I plan to own, been looking at 550’s recently :)
     
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  21. plastique999

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    Isn’t this the Icona line?
    Monza, SP3… styling cues from the past.
    Problem is I can’t afford one or get on the list [emoji2357]


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  22. italiafan

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    Same!
    I thought $650K was being generous. :D
     
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  23. Ffre92

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    For 650k, you could take ur time and find a nice gated 550/575, classiche it so u won’t have to worry about parts/reliability, and afterwards add a big brake kit or ceramics and any other mods that suit you, and still have enough leftover for a modern Ferrari or exotic to pair it with.

    Not exactly what you are looking for, but a pretty sweet runner up option!
     
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  24. Edward 96GTS

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    Lambo stated no more retro designs. their library isnt that large anyways.
     
  25. plastique999

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    Therein lies the problem… they build these amazing limited cars and leave them only for the VVVVIP clients.
    $650k just ain’t gonna cut it lol.


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