wow i hate NASCAR for this reason...amoung others

That and seeing 43 cars drive in a 500 mile circle for four straight hours, which is boring beyond words.

 

...you can say that again

 

well ya, the main attraction of NASCAR is the wrecks, nothing else is fun to watch.

 

hahaha, i spit coffee everywhere reading that again.


NASCAR does blow, and its a shame that America is so drawn to that BS. Its lazy society, that loves to watch lazy racing...

Left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left, into left. and rinse and repeat

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Not all of America. It's just the hill-billies of the mid-west that are drawn into it. I live in America and I hate NASCAR.

 

I cannot understand how its growing in popularity, my only theory at this time is inbreading.

 

i like watching them when they race the road tracks. they have no idea what they are doing (except tony stewart) and spin out left and right... funny how they perform when something actually takes skill.

 

I don't think that's true anymore. It's gained popularity in this country due to excellent marketing and commercialization, plus they run at tracks in states not considered "hill-billie" areas (CA - near LA for one and even today at Las Vegas).

On that note NASCAR is my least favorite type of racing to watch. The more races I watch the less I'm liking it, unless it's on a road course, then it's not so bad.

 

Boogity Boogity Boogity ..... just makes my frickin' skin crawl

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Amazing. Another bash NASCAR thread. How mediocre.

I love F1, but I also enjoy watching NASCAR. I would think that none of you have ever been to a real NASCAR race. If F1 would learn from some of NASCAR's methods, F1 might actually succeed in the USA.

 

I agree that Nascar has some things it does better than F1, coverage for one, the amount of information avaliable on the screen is great to see while still enjoying the race.

Im not a fan of Nascar tho, its fun playing on a PC game but I dont get much enjoyment watching it on TV. I dont live in the USA soo I cant see any Nascar action but I will agree Nascar does have alot of things it does that makes the sport Fan friendly. Which is lacking in F1.

Im not sure about Krafty's comments about sponsers as all racing I have ever watched on TV including F1 has alot of sponser related talk when getting interviewed. Just watch the after race press conference see how Mclaren(afew others do as well) drivers are wearing new suits and NOT their sweaty driving suits. See how the shoulders sponsers are placed soo they are looking directly into the monitor. Watch them mention how great the tyres are(saying Bridgestone or Mich;s not just the word tyre) even tho they could of all popped. F1 are just sneaker with the way they do it.

 

I have been attending NASCAR events as long as I have been attending F1 events. No comparison, but then why would anyone compare the two? So different. There is no reason not to appreciate both of them for their own merits. As a Vegas bookie said tonight on Despain's show, NASCAR is very competitive, and despite the appearance of contrived results, these guys are so competitive, in the last 5 laps they would run over their own mothers if they had to to win.

Today's F1 race was unusual, cars actually passed each other on the track. If that keeps up, maybe F1 can compete with NASCAR for viewership in the USA? But then, F1 falls flat when it comes to selling itself. I would love to see F1 become as big in the USA as it is in Europe and South America.

Do you think Michael would show up at Target or Walmart to sign autographs?

 

The answer is..... Can Target or Walmart pay him enough? lol
The biggest deal i see here is lack of American drivers. Nascar is full of them, and people can relate in a sense to them. its tough to get the american fan base to root for guys from another country. (in a whole, there are many that do, but the #'s that enjoy NASCAR it would be tough) If there was a successfull american driver... It would help things immensely


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I been to many a F1 race and only last years event is the only season I considered boring due to the tyre rule. Every other race has been end of seat stuff.
I dont agree that passing is the reason for lack of audience in the USA, and having slipstreaming passing isnt what I call REAL passing anyway. Which is what oval is all about. If that is the type of passing you are talking about then Id rather we dont get more fans in F1 then watch that.

I dont see Michael going to Target to sign autographs but he is oldskool.
How about the new guys, I dont see Kimi or Rosberg doing that either which is where the future of the sport is and if the new guys arent conditioned to visit these places at a young age how can u expect the older generation too?

They are alittle too robotic in interviews but that is something with the team bosses needing to change attitudes as well.

Also Max Mosley needs to go

 

Scott Speed. American. Seems like a nice kid. But I couldn't care less what he does, as F1 to me is the multi national aspects. I will still cheer for the Ferrari driver irrespective of their nationality. F1 did not do well when Mario, and Phil won their championships. Even so when Gurney, Cheever, and Revson drove. Unless F1 learns how to market themselves and not rest on their past laurels, they will always be behind NASCAR in the USA. NASCAR offers side by side racing, not many if any other series do that.

 

I would guess that the majority of passing in F1 comes from either slip streaming on a straight, or pit action. Not all NASCAR races are on superspeedways, and they still have passing and close racing without slipstreaming. But then, I don't expect a lot of side by side racing in an open wheel series as that is way too dangerous. For that reason, I get my techno kicks from F1, and the side by side rubbing from NASCAR. No reason not to appreciate both, for different reasons.

My comment about Target and Walmart was a joke. Someone like MS would only show up at Nordstrom's.

 

Sure i agree. I also do agree that America is a whole different animal for marketing. You could almost argue that its a brand new marketplace. The die hard guys have been around, and arent going anywhere, and the marketing needs to get new viewers. Maybe if they pushed the idea about how technologically advanced the cars are.....the amount of G forces the drivers get, hitting almost 200 mph on the straights, and then slowing down to 40. I'm not quite sure how to get things started, as it sits now, NASCAR has a solid grasp on motorsports in the USA


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*drafting

 

Have you considered the constant 4G forces for three hours at 185+ MPH, on the edge of adhesion, 31 degree banking, less than an inch from another car with a driver whose skill may be questionable? Lap after lap after lap?

Sorry, I would have to believe that a NASCAR superspeedway race takes a bigger toll on a driver than any two hour road race in a car that handles much better. I spent too many years as a photog at both forms of races, and I will say that NASCAR requires a different although just as significant skill set as an F1 race. That's why I like them both.

 

ha, i wasnt saying that at all.... I was speaking about how F1 could market to America.....


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I havnt liked NASCAR since Hemis, and Boss 429s

 

'Maybe if they pushed the idea about how technologically advanced the cars are.....the amount of G forces the drivers get, hitting almost 200 mph on the straights, and then slowing down to 40. I'm not quite sure how to get things started, as it sits now, NASCAR has a solid grasp on motorsports in the USA'.

Sorry, but I just don't think anyone in the USA cares about the technology..... I'm just being brutally honest.


Well, here's what I see:

nascar: even though we all know they are not 'stock' cars, they have bodies that roughly resemble what you drive on the street, made by factory names you recognize. My wife knows what a chevy, ford and dodge is, she does not know what a McClaren, Renault, Williams, Cosworth, BAR or Red Bull is. but yes, she knows what a Ferrari is.

nascar: all of their events are on mainstream TV, during prime sports time. Live.

nascar: Dale Earnhardt. been dead for five years, but, Dale Earnhardt. His estate still makes 12 million a year on memorabilia. Amazing.

nascar: where else can you leave after the start of a 500 mile race, come back 4 hours later and see the SAME guys in the top 10 ?

F1: completely and totally disconnected from the fans.

F1: nobody in the 'mainstream' usa can relate. to any of it.

F1: you can almost bet your house on who the top 5 will be at every event. (I said ALMOST).

F1: totally disconnected from the non-following press. I was covering the Detroit GP every year, and I think it was 1988, Senna won, Piquet was 2nd or 3rd, both totally skipped the post-race press conference...... so they could go watch World-Cup soccer in their rooms in the Ren-Cen.

That about says it all.

I am no nascar lover, but you sure cannot argue with their business model, because except for BE's pocketbook, it beats the heck out of just about everything else, in ALL of sports.