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  1. Chrill

    Chrill Karting

    May 31, 2018
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    I have a problem that I think is linked to the WUR regulator, when driving at normal speed it sometimes put the choke on, or as with the regulator it suddenly lower the fuel pressure and the car stalls and won’t idle and is getting really rich. Anyone that have had the same problem and can relate, what could it be if not the WUR, and if it is the WUR can I just refurbish it. It doesn’t happens a lot just sometimes and often when I have driven the car a little harder, but even then not every time just occasionally.
    The car is a 308 GTS QV -85



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  2. Steve Magnusson

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    Are you saying that you are actually measuring the control pressure, and it drops suddenly occasionally (and then restores itself suddenly), or is this just your suspicion of what might be happening?

    What version 1985 308QV?
     
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  3. Chrill

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    Well yes, i just suspect that the control pressure is the problem, I can’t actually control the pressure, the only thing I really sure of is that the engine gets to much fuel suddenly, so much that it smokes black and it won’t idle anymore, and just as suddenly, often if I drives it at full throttle a few times it just heals it self. It happens just maybe one out of ten times when out cruising.
    Never thought about it before, but what controls the choke injector, could that be the problem?



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  4. Steve Magnusson

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    #4 Steve Magnusson, Jun 1, 2020
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    What version? (Euro version use a WUR that senses changes in the intake manifold vacuum and intentionally reduces the control pressure to add enrichment under acceleration; whereas, a US version uses a different WUR and has a separate differential pressure switch to sense changes in the intake manifold vacuum and electrically "squirts" the cold start injector to add enrichment under acceleration).

    Smoking black is good convincing evidence of too rich (and has rarely been reported). The choke injector (usually called the cold start injector) is an electric gizmo, but it could also just leak mechanically. One easy thing you can do is just unplug it when the problem occurs (to see if it's an electrical problem), but, to eliminate it as having a mechanical/sealing issue, it would have to be physically removed (and then the hole blocked if you wanted to run the engine). Still could be the WUR, but there you are left with measuring the control pressure to see if it drops when you have the problem.
     
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  5. Chrill

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    Ok thank you for your advice. It is a euro version. I will unplug the injector next time to see if that is the problem.
    How hard is it to just refurbish the WUR, I dismantled one before and it doesn’t look to hard but I don’t know if it is more behind it than just change som o-rings.


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  6. GordonC

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    #6 GordonC, Jun 2, 2020
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    I had my WUR rebuilt 2 years ago, for a Euro 84 QV. It's a bit more complicated than changing the o-rings, one of the critical failure points is the bimetallic strip, which is specific to each variant of the WUR (and there are dozens of variants for the various 308s and other cars with K-Jet fuel injection) and they can't be easily interchanged (and Bosch no longer sells individual bimetallic strips). Some are close in spec to each other and can be used, but it's a very careful process to select an alternate spec and then the cold/warm control pressures have to be adjusted to compensate. The bimetallic strip had failed in mine, and we were very lucky to find a bimetallic strip from a 1978-79 SAAB 99 had very similar temperature curve to the -116 WUR in my Euro QV.

    Once verified that your bimetallic strip is OK, diaphragm is OK, o-rings are OK, you need a pressure test rig to adjust/set the control pressures in the rebuilt WUR, first the warm control pressure is set with the height of the large cylinder, followed by cold control pressure by adjusting the height of the smaller plug. You also need the specific WUR pressure chart for your variant to know the pressure ranges you need to set.

    Here's an example of the significant differences in WUR settings - the -116 variant is used on my 84 Euro QV, the -033 is used by another 308 model (I don't recall if it's the US QV, or a 2 valve Euro or US). The combination of the bimetallic strip and the cold and warm control pressure adjustments are what ensures the WUR provides pressures within the appropriate pressure map.

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    Here's a thread from a couple of years ago talking about WUR rebuilds: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/wur-rebuild.547525/
     
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  7. Chrill

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    I read the thread you linked and did a measured the resistance in the WUR, it read 0.5 ohm so I definitely have a problem there, that’s why I have a problem to make the idle smooth as well.



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  8. kiwiokie

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    The WUR is primarily a mechanical (not electrical) device that uses temperature and its affect on bimetalluc strip to vary the control pressure and hence mixture. Before you spend money on rebuilding the WUR have you tested the control pressure and compared to the chart for your model year?


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  9. Chrill

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    Took the WUR apart and measured the resistance directly on the heat element and all seams perfect, 47 and 35 ohm and now when I measure at the connector it reads 20,4 ohm and I think that is correct, or were can I find what ohm for my WUR, it is a -116
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