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  1. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Still waiting for confirmational data but it seems they reached over 360,000 feet, The goal was 328,000. They also beat the Mighty Mach 7 X-15 roacket plane by 13,000 feet

    This ranks up there with the Wright Bros, Lindbergh, Yeager, and Apollo 11

    Congrats to Burt Rutan, Paul Allen, Space Dev, the pilots ( who are the 2 first commercial atsronauts in history) & all the people who helped

    Burt just stated that he is well on his way designing Space Ship 2 for Sir Richard Branson of Virgin Galactic & Paul Allen of Micorsoft

    NASA is probably not very happy today LOL
     
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    I watched that show on discovery channel last night, it was so intresting and amazing how that was all privately funded. this really is a big day in history and is the beginning of a new industry. to bad i missed it this morning, its all schools fault.
     
  4. TimN88

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    NASA isnt trying to set up space vacations. Their job is in the advancement of science.
    However, its good that a private company has gone into space, but i think they have a long time fo go until they can put something into orbit as i would bet my last dollar that SS1 is not capable of orbiting the earth because from looking at pics of it it cant possibly carry enough fuel to get it up to the speed required (i think its something like 8000 meters per second) to put something into orbit.
     
  5. WILLIAM H

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    Rutan has other designs to reach orbit, Maybe SS2 or SS3 will reach orbit & you can bet it will be A LOT cheaper than a NASA boondoggle

    NASA's forte now seems to be survival & wasting our $, especially since Rutan has shown what he can do with manual flight controls even!!!!! & for just $30M. Productions versions should be cheaper than that and Virgin Galactic SS2 will carry 5 people to over 360,000 ft
     
  6. Steve Magnusson

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    IMO, it's an amazing, but worthless, accomplishment. Sort of like hitting 400 mph on water in a piston-powered boat (or maybe flying around the world non-stop ;))-- neat, but of no real economic value.

    My guess is that our future is more like the Eloi in the "Time Machine" movie rather than us successfully colonizing other planets -- just wish I could be around in a few million years to see how it all works out ...
     
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    I somewhat agree with what 911tr said, but i wouldnt say the accomplishment is worthless, but it has limited value to every day peolple. Colonizing other planets is so far into the future that it isnt really an issue now. We should be more concerned in taking care of our planet rather than thinking we can just move somewhere else. The fact is we wont find any place like it. I know in my lifetime i will see manned missions to mars, but never anyone living there. I dont even know if there will be manned missions to the moon while im alive.
    What rutan did is show that he can go into space, but whats the point of just going there? If people want to pay just go to into whats classified as space, then it has some commercial value. I would rather pay to go up in a russian shuttle and actually get to experience weightlessness and see the earth from something like 600 miles away .The fuel costs associated with sending something into orbit is far far more expensive than just getting something to 360,000ft.
     
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    humans have no choice but to explore and colonize and as william says mine. Beyond being each generations duty it will be necessary to keep up the standard of living.

    Feeling good today?? read this

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4287300/site/newsweek/

    T
     
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    I am sure a few people felt the automobile was worthless when it first showed up. I understand there is a little more technology to be overcome. I am not saying there will be space traffic in 50 years. - You have to start somewhere. Perhaps they will make space travel (low atmosphere) more economical in the future ?


    Good show.
     
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    I think these same words were spoken after man flew his first air-plane.
    If space follows the same model ( that the first air-plane did ) built by average guys from a bike repair shop....

    Step 1 prove it can be done
    Step 2-thru-437,000 modify the crap out of it :)
     
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    You sir have no vision. It took months to sail the Atlantic to colonize and explore America. It takes mere days to go to the moon. It takes mere minutes to go to an orbiting space station.

    That aside, his accomplishment is the beginning, not the end. The plans are to move forward and build orbit capable ships that can carry paying passengers. To build a orbiting hotel of sorts. Those things do have real economic value if there are enough people who are willing to pay to experience it and I for one would sell my house and live on the street for the chance to experience space.

    And you heathen. The Time Machine is a BOOK. All movies are horrible bastardizations of it

    Oh and Tim, you are right. there is no reason to live on mars. Afterall it is likely cheaper and easier to build self-supporting space stations :p
     
  14. WILLIAM H

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    Paul Allen Co founder of Microsoft and Sir Richard Branson, founder of Virgin ATlantic Airways who just signed up to buy a fleet of 5 Rutan SS2 spacecraft disagree with you and I have to say I take their side.

    This is the begining of a space tourism industry. There are plenty of people who will sign up at $200k a pop for a ride up to space. Branson plans to give them a week at a luxury hotel on Earth "training" for their flight then the flight up

    Rutan has plans from Werner Von Braun and Rutan & Branson plan on building a hotel in orbit & the SS2 will fly far higher than the SS1. The SS2 should be able to reach the International Space Station

    There is also a plan for the SS3 which will probably be about the size of NASA's space shuttle

    I plan on dumping $$$$$ into this industry & riding it to the Moon :)

    I know Rutan is dying to go to the Moon and if anyone can do it the team of Rutan, Allen, Branson, & SPDV can do it

    This is the birth of a new era in tourism and the birth of a new industry
     
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    Also Hilton hotels, a Japanese hotel chain and at least 1 cruise ship line have expressed interest in building a hotel or a cruise ship in space :)

    Now they have their ride up
     
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    Sorry, but providing space joy-rides and space casinos for the wealthy is not my idea of a useful endeavor. As long as you and the billionaires want to spend THEIR/YOUR money (and not MY tax dollars) doing it -- I say more power to them/you.
     
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    How do you think anything gets cheap enough for everyone's use? Billionaires or governments subsidize it until it's developed enough to be cheap. Everything goes through the following phases:

    1) it's impossible
    2) well, ok, it's doable, why would anyone want to do that?
    3) it's been done, but has no purpose.
    4) it's being done, but it's way too expensive.
    5) it's regularly done, and kinda interesting.
    6) it's ubiquitous, and unnoticed.

    Think ocean travel, think automobiles, think aircraft. See the parallels?
     
  18. TimN88

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    Space travel can be made cheaper but not cheap enough for someone like me to afford. Its harder and more expensive to build a spacecraft than somethingn like a plane and the fuel costs are extremely high. You have to get something to a speed of like 17k mph for it to not fall out of orbit. It takes alot of fuel to do that (look at the size of the rocket boosters and center tank on the space shuttle. they wouldnt take up all that fuel if they werent going to use ALL of it) I dont know if i'd call what rutan does 'space travel' (i know hes traveling in what is defined as 'space'). In sure nasa could put a plane that high for a relatively low amount of money. When i think of space travel I think of going to the moon or to mars. Space travel is something that cant be made cheap like owning a car became in the 1920's. Even if you have assembly lines cranking out ships to cut down costs tghat still doesnt change the prices of the materials (and spaceships arent made mostly out of steel as far as i know like a car) and processing of them. What he did shows that it can be done for cheap but when he puts something into orbit then he will show nasa that they should think differently.
     
  19. WILLIAM H

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    The SS1 is a prototype that cost around $30M to build. Now that the tech is proven they can start a manufacturing line and probably build a larger SS2 for maybe half that, maybe $20M tops.

    Thats LESS than a nice Gulfstream G5 business jet, A LOT LESS

    International Tourism was reseverved for the wealthy until the late 50s when jet travel and airlines made it much more affordable.

    Yesterday it costs $20 Million to go into space, in 3 years Branson will get you up there for $200k, Thats a huge drop & a great leap for the industry

    a later SS3 or SS4 that can carry 50 or 100 people could drop that to maybe $50k or less per person. Tens of thousands can pay that for an ultimate extreme dream vacation

    The other factor is that an SS3 can also be used in the way that NASA's space shuttle is used today but at a small fraction of a shuttle flight

    Thats HUGE progress in cutting down costs.

    Allen,Rutan, Branson, & SPDV will force NASA out of the orbital business & force NASA to focus on deep space while near space becomes accesible to millions of humans
     
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    Oh God... imagine what our grandkids have to deal with....


















    spaceship ricers! :D
     
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    Is that a bird??
















    A plane?????





















    Superman??????????????


























    No, it's a gawd damn civic with an afterburner! And it's crashing THIS WAY!
     
  22. WILLIAM H

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    I really think an SS1 drivative is what Werner Von Braun had in mind for the US space program & not NASA's space shuttle which is much too expensive & is now also too old & dangerous
     
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    This is awsome! If you think that this doesn't mean anything your are nuts. As for me, and I'm sure hundreds of thousands of people, it has been a dream of mine to go to outer space since I was a kid. As soon as they get things up and running I will be one of those comercial astronauts, and yes even with a price tag of $200k. I will also say that it is absolutley fantastic that it was AMERICANS that did this. YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!! U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A!!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!
     
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    Hey what kind of stewardess are you going to have on those space planes ?


    How about Blanca from Soul Plane ?
     
  25. TimN88

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    I dont think its fair to compare the SS1 to the space shuttles. The space shuttles actually orbit the earth, which as i pointed out earlier in this thread is very different than just flying above an altidute that we define as space. The space shuttles routinely fly to 354 km (this is the altitude of the ISS at the time i wrote this). thats 1,161,000 feet. which is considerably more than the 360,000ft of the SS1, im no astronaut but i can tell you you wont have the fuel. The space shuttle, although 30 years old, is still state of the art inside. IT is made to support a crew for many days whereas the SS1 i would imagine is unable to do this. The space shuttle is also a floating laboratory where experiments are conducted. Does this happen in the SS1? The space shuttle also travels over 17,500mph to keep stay in orbit. The SS1 could never attain such speeds and even if it could, would it be able to slow down? Does the SS1 have many people on the ground at all times serving as mission control? The point of this post is to point out that the SS1 is not and can not be a replacement for the space shuttle. theres a reason gthe space shuttle is so much more expensive to operate (reasons other than the fact that its operated by the gov't) than the SS1.
     
  26. WILLIAM H

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    your points are taken, The SS1 IS a floating experiment. The space shuttle is still far too expensive, dangerous, & consumes far too much in labor & maintenance.

    Maybe the SS1 is not a perfect match for the Shuttle but Rutan has plans for an SS2 & an SS3 that will reach the ISS & you can bet it will be at a fraction of the cost of the shuttle with a similair payload & Much safer because of the way it re enters.

    The SS2 & SS3 will be real commercial spacecraft, something the Shuttle was supposed to be but DC made it too fat & expensive to ever truly be.

    It costs $20,000 per # to take something up on the shuttle. I imagine SS3 will chop that down to well under $1,000 per #. That would be a Huge Leap for commercial space exploration and would make instantly make the shuttle obsolete
     
  27. WILLIAM H

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    The SS2 which is already on the drawing boards will be a passnger craft operated by Virgin Galactic to take tourists near 400,000 feet up

    SS3 is envisioned as a large cargo ship to take large objects into space, similair to the shuttle. It probably wont be used for scientific experiments. It would most like be used to build a hotel in orbit at around the same altitude as the ISS and later to take many people up at once. No idea on the speed of the SS3 but Rutan seems to want to avoid the Mach 25 reentry of the space shuttle because its just too dangerous as we have seen. It also adds a lot of cost to the ship in high tech tiles that fall off all the time
     
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    Stands up and cheers! Someobdy should chip that into stone so the wisdom will live on when we're all dead and gone and space travel is so routine it's given nary more thought than going to the 'corner store'.

    This is really the big begining folks.

    You don't think this is big? We're all wondering if NASA could run ONE OFFICE BUILDING on 95 people and $20mil! That's less than a production G5, and this is a one-off!

    Wish like hell Branson would return my calls...
     

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