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  2. Michael Muller

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    No, 24 Heures du Spa, 1948, Belgium
     
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    The webdesigner should be executed! The important pictures I have anyway.
     
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    There is indeed a discussion about 006I and 010I,which was which. Both cars are easily to identify, that's not the question. I know some details of this theory, but cannot follow the argumentation.
     
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    Michael, how about more of your details on this 010I/006C issue.I have had this article in the 010I file since it was published I haven't seen any real reaction to P G's claim. He seems pretty sure of himself. I will get out my files on these two cars and see what i can. just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
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    Here is what I have found. 006I. 1948 pictures from Monaco,Maranello testing,Roussilion and Geneva: grill rectangular with curved top and 8 horizontal bars:wide low hood scoop: hand crank hole just above 3rd bar from the bottom:single Brooklands style windscreen:19 side hood louvers at the bottom and starting from the very back of the hood:rear spring hood fastener over the louvers:retractable air scoop center of coming forward of the cockpit.
    010I at the M M:eek:val grill with flat bottom:9 horizontal bars:no grill hand crank hole:4"narrow oval hood scoop:twin windscreens:17 side hood louvers,4" above the bottom of the hood and not extending to the back of the hood:rear hood spring fasnener back of the last louver.
    It is my opinion the 010I was the car Nuvolari drove. just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
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    No, at least 2 men's opinion....
     
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    ...unsure if this has been mentioned here...looking at a shot taken from the other side of the lineup of the Pescara cars...a shot looking into the garage showing the Nuvolaris ride...you can see the irregular lower line across the bottom of the louvers...something simple, but might shed a light somewhere...?



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    Are you sure it was red? The color picture I see is looking quite as a B/W picture colored afterwards.

    In the case of 010I I think several sources stated the car was repainted. Even in quite some detail:
    "Monaco Motor Engineering covered the Italian Racing Red of 010I beneath a coat of British Racing Green and painted a small dragon, the emblem of Wales, on each side of the nose...."

    In the period Folland raced, national colors were still the norm. Especially after the war. Besides why were most Ferrari red?
    The colored B/W pictures also gives another clue: 010I looks darker than the other red cars.
     
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    Now in Cavallino 23 I found two pictures of 010I sent in by an English gentlemen. He had taken them himself and stated: "the Ferrari was of course painted green with a red drageon". So here is an eyewitness report of 010I being green at the time with Folland.
     
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    During the Wyer/Folland period the car officially had still Italian "nationality" as it was never officially imported (acc. to John Wyer himself). It was brought to GB on Carnet basis meaning temporary import, owner as per the Carnet was the Ferrari mechanic Boschi. Painting it green the authorities would have presented HM Customs & Tax Office a very good reason for further investigations...

    My statement that it was red indeed is based on the single color photo taken at Goodwood, which unfortunately is a cuff-off only (at least the one I have) from the background, and therefore hard to say whether it is really a color photo or a manually colored b/w one. However, if there is an eyewitness the situation changes....

    Concerning the different reds, there was never only a single "rosso corso", as there also was never a specific BRG or French blue.
     
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    I have a number of Black and white photos in my archive and the Dragon(which is red) is in deep contrast to the body colour which I beleive to be British Racing Green.
     
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    If the Goodwood photo is real and not manually colored the red is very dark whereas the red of the Welsh dragon is a rather loud one.
     
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    I will check out the negatives and see.
     
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    Here is a copy of the Nye item on this car where Wyer states that the car was repainted!

    See page 59.

    Unfortunate no color

    Do have some b+w pictures which have a dark color.
    Can not post because I do not know the source
     
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    copy of item from cavallino no. 19
     
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    #98 Michael Muller, Feb 18, 2014
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    I know the Wyer statement concerning the repainting, but as Peter said - no color is given. When sold to Wyer/Folland the car's layout was changed, from original "offset singleseater" it was converted to full twoseater configuration with major body changes especially on the left side. No idea which influence this rebuilt has had on the condition of the original painting, so it is possible that the "repainting" was not a change in color but a refresh of the original one. I also post a cut-off showing the nose of the car, which shows a rather strange difference in gloss of the area on which the dragon was painted.
    However, as said already, the statement by Sir Anthony of course is very valuable. But on the other side Wyer clearly said that the car was officially still Italian-owned.
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    #99 Arjan, Feb 19, 2014
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    Hello Michael, I think Sir Anthony's report does confirm though. Note that in those days the national color was a very important, even official thing to indicate driver/team nationality. Racing was defending your country's flag, like today sending the sponsor's message ;-)
    Repainting, as Wyer states, is in my view changing color. In those days paint jobs were sketchy, if a car had color it was OK. Refreshing color? This was racing in the 40's, Ron Dennis wasn't even born. (well he was actually, only just).
     
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    #23 ;-)
     

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