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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by 134282, Jul 23, 2004.

  1. TheCarcierge

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    You are on the right track. My new business concept is just that. We not only provide a proper storage environment but also regularly exercise the cars. Every two weeks or so the cars get a thorough once over. Pressures and fluids are chbecked. The cars are started, warmed up, and driven about a mile then put back into the warehouse. Sort of like a "Keeper" for the common man.

    BTW, I would be more than happy to take care of your car, if you want to ship it back and forth from Florida during the months whe it sits idle.

    Scottie
     
  2. whart

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    Horsefly: My point wasn't to dump on the car; it was to think about the kind of Ferrari you could buy with that money, given that a really good Daytona Spyder is worth, say, 350, and the extra 400 grand attached to this one could buy you even more car (which could also be driven). This one will be a mummy.
     
  3. Glassman

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    WHART WHART ( I knew that, just didn't type correctly ) no insult intended.
     
  4. WCH

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    "WCH, it's got 70 original miles on the original engine, i HIGHLY doubt that it has ever even SEEN rain or snow, i HIGHLY doubt that the seats have ANY wear, i HIGHLY doubt it was ever smoked in or has seen road rash... i would just assume that the tires are in great condition for tires that are 30+ years old... "

    OK, but I have a few more questions - has it been tracked? ;) Was trying to be funny ...

    I have no problem with the buy it and park it crowd. The cars are works of art.
     
  5. Glassman

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    WHART,
    You are absolutely correct. However, you could also buy a whole bunch of "drivers" and really have a good time. Its a matter of what a person wants and how much they are willing to spend to get it.
    I am very happy with an original condition ( about 150,000 miles ) 250 GT, it is ratty with rust, but I enjoy it. The next guy may need the perfect Daytona to make his life complete. Why do we constantly debate this ****?
    Oh ya, because we can.
     
  6. 911Fan

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    Ferrari should make a special edition of each model for the garage queen / collector crowd (maybe they could add "-I" to the model designation).

    No engine.
     
  7. thecarreaper

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    questions:

    1) what the heck does a " beige " Daytona look like?
    2) think he would take a beat up Marrone 308 in " partial" trade :) !
    seriously , the Daytona, Boxer and 288gto;s are my all time fave fcars. from the linked article the guy had some of the nicest fcars on the planet, all in one spot. i wonder what cars he has left..................................
     
  8. zjpj

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    Very very bland (?)

    you should keep the 308 and add the matching Daytona http://www.autosportdesigns.com/Sales/photopage.asp?ID=598unfortunately, I don't think your color really suits the Daytona either
     
  9. El Wayne

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    As far as I know, he still has: 250 PF Speciale 1187GT, 410 Superamerica PF Speciale "Superfast I" 0483SA, and 410 Superamerica Scaglietti Speciale 0671SA. That's off the top of my head, so there are possibly others I'm forgetting.
     
  10. thecarreaper

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    great link!!! thank you for posting that ! :) i agree Marrone is not the best color either, i would choose a black Plexi Daytona, Euro of course. the Marrone 308 grows on you, not like i had many color choices when i was looking, maybe red or blue next time!!!! ............. ( soon)............. :)
     
  11. Horsefly

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    Agreed WHart. If somebody would just give me $750,000, I would go buy the $18,000 308GTS that I found and put the rest of the money in my wallet. Of course I would probably have to allocate a few dollars to buy a bigger wallet. But with that kind of money, I could hire a "secretary" to carry my money around for me. (But then the money would probably run away and never come back.)
     
  12. donv

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    I own a book with a number of pictures of this car, along with the story behind it (when it was new, anyway). Interesting guy, very nice collection.

    In the book (which was published in the 70s) he talks about wanting to never drive it, just preserve it as new. At the time, I believe he had another Daytona Spyder as a driver (I could check, but then I'd have to get out of my chair and go get the book).
     
  13. donv

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    From the book "Ferraris for the Road" by Henry Rasmussen:

    -- start quote--
    There was coffee left at the bottom of the mug, but it was cold now, and he had just decided to go inside for a refill when the telephone rang. He heard it through the open window and answered it on the fifth ring, wondering who would call so early.

    "Good Morning!"

    Garrison immediately recognized the voice. [Amerigo] Manicardi was calling from Italy. It was late there.

    "Good afternoon, my friend! What's up?"

    "I have an offer you can't refuse. We have five Daytona chassis left. I have talked to Ingegniere Ferrari, and we have decided what to do with them. Four cars will go to our swiss distributor and we thought you might want the fifth!"

    "I don't think so, Amerigo! I already have a Daytona!"

    "These are all going to be Spyders, Greg! The Swiss distributor said he wouldn't sell theirs for five years."

    There was a pause, then Garrison replied.

    "Okay, Amerigo! Let me have the last one! I won't sell it, and I won't drive it for ten years! How's that?"

    "I'm happy!"

    "Okay! Have it painted in the special Pininfarina color, Oro Chiaro. And let me know when it's ready. I want to pick it up myself."

    The Spyder will fit perfectly into my collection, Garrison smiled as he replaced the receiver. I already have the first production convertible, now I will also have the last.

    -- end quote --

    (typos are all mine!)
     
  14. El Wayne

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    By the way, the "first production convertible" that Greg refers to is 0311EU, the one and only 250 Europa cabriolet, which is currently owned by a fellow F-Chatter (though I won't say who).

    Here is, as far as I know, a complete list of Ferraris that have been owned by Mr. Garrison (as compiled by Ferrari historian, Jarrett Rothmeier):

    1953 250 Europa 0311EU
    1955 410 SA "Superfast I" 0483SA
    1955 410 Superamerica 0491SA
    1956 250 GT Boano 0559GT
    1956 410 Superamerica Scaglietti Speciale 0671SA
    1957 410 Superamerica 0717GT
    1957 410 Superamerica 0719SA
    1957 250 GT Pinin Farina Speciale 0725GT
    1957 250 GT Pinin Farina Cabriolet 0729GT
    1958 250 TdF 0895GT
    1958 250 GT Pinin Farina Speciale 1187GT
    1959 410 Superamerica 1311SA
    1961 250 SWB California 2383GT
    1961 400 Superamerica 2407SA
    1961 400 Superamerica 2841SA
    1965 500 Superfast 6039SF
    1967 365 California Spyder 9631
    1967 330 GTC Speciale 9653
    1967 330/365 GTC Prototype 10241
    1973 365 GTS/4 17073
     
  15. donv

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    Not to disagree, Wayne, however in the prior paragraph to my quote above, Mr. Rasmussen says "Later, Garrison would own four Daytona Coupes in succession."

    Mybe Mr. Rasmussen is exaggerating, or maybe the list you have doesn't include everyday "driver" Ferraris?
     
  16. El Wayne

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    Hmm... don't know. I speak to Greg on occasion and will try to remember to ask about that the next time.
     
  17. Jack-the-lad

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    "Have it painted in the special Pininfarina color, Oro Chiaro."

    I've searched the site to learn something about Oro Chiaro, but couldn't find any information about it being a "special Pininfarina color." Can someone provide some history about this?

    Thanks.

    Jack
     
  18. AJS328

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    Wayne,

    So you're saying is that the guy is basically a rookie in this Ferrari game?

    Damn! LOL! ;)
     
  19. MJarrettR

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    Hi Wayne, thanks for mentioning me :). Below is a slightly more complete list of cars Garrison has owned/owns over the years:

    1953 250GT Europa 0311EU
    1955 410 Superfast 0483SA
    1955 410 Superamerica 0491SA
    1956 250GT Boano 0559GT
    1956 410 Superamerica 0671SA
    1957 410 Superamerica 0717GT
    1957 410 Superamerica 0719SA
    1957 250GT Speciale PF Coupe 0725GT
    1957 250GT PF Cabriolet 0729GT
    1958 250GT TdF 0895GT
    1958 250GT PF Coupe 1187GT
    1959 410 Superamerica 1311SA
    1961 250GT SWB California 2383GT
    1961 400 Superamerica 2407SA
    1961 400 Superamerica 2841SA
    1965 500 Superfast 6039SF
    1967 365 California Spyder 9631
    1967 330GTC Speciale 9653
    1967 275GTB/4 9813
    1967 330/365GTC Prototype 10241
    1973 365GTS/4 17073
    1986 412 Cabriolet 65201
    2001 550 Barchetta 124150


    -Jarrett
     
  20. El Wayne

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    No problem. Thanks for the update! I knew about the 550B, actually. Don't know why I forgot to add it to the list.

    By the way, nice to see you here on F-Chat!
     
  21. Texas Forever

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    Wow, this certainly is a tough group. What some of you don't realize is that collectors are their own little subgroup of car enthusiasts. While you and I might be into driving, these guys are into preserving.

    Moreover, $750,000 for a car that will kick ass on the lawn at PB is chump change. All the "experts" here may moan and groan about what a waste this car might be. But, trust me, the judges will be falling all over themselves to look at this car. It will be hard for anybody to say that this dohicky or that thingamabob is not correct. My guess is that the seller will get his price for this car.

    Which brings me to another point, if you are into driving vintage cars, there is such a thing as buying too good of a car. I once brought a 1973.5 911T that had less than 20,000 original miles. In fact, the Porsche factory expressed an interest in buying the car. I ended up selling it because it was a shame to drive such a nice car. Plus, it never came with a/c and down here, deep in the heart of Texas, that was a fatal flaw.

    So don't bash the trailer queen guys. Different stokes for different folks.

    DrTax
     
  22. Old Guy

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    Well...for starters...the judges won't be falling all over themselves when they see this car on the lawn at Pebble Beach, 'cause it won't be there. It's a nicely original example of a relatively late model production car, and thus not eligible. .

    Go back through the list of the owner's other cars. Most are earlier speciales, one-offs, or styling exercises, and many of these have indeed been shown at Pebble over the years. These are the types of Ferraris which are shown at Pebble Beach.

    This year there'll be five Ferrari classes at Pebble Beach. Early road cars, early competition cars, major race winners (imagine a class of Ferraris, each of which WON the Mille Miglia, LeMans, or similar) and so on. There'll be a stunning display of the history of Ferrari in Formula One.

    But no Daytona Spyders.

    They'll be at Concours Italiano, or at the FCA Concours at Quail Lodge on the following Tuesday. There'll possibly be an example or two on the track during the FCA meet as well. (Somewhere I still have the photos from when a guy flipped his very original Daytona Spyder at Laguna Seca 25 or so years ago; then we had one less original example, which apparently would please some of the experts above.)

    Anyway, as you say, there is room for both approaches in this hobby. A few more people need to understand that.

    Old Guy (who never won a Concours in his life)
     
  23. Texas Forever

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    Okay, okay. Geeze Louise, you old guys never cut us young bucks any slack. I shoulda just said the "lawn" and left it at that. Shows how much I know about the concours side of this thing, which ain't much.

    Just curious, Oldie But A Goldie Guy, do you think the seller will get his price? Is there enough interest in the preservation of Daytonas to justify this price in 2004? How high did the price of Daytona Spiders get back in the roaring late 80s?

    Dr "Who also never won a concours in his life" Tax
     
  24. 134282

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    But did you ever enter one...?
     
  25. of2worlds

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    There is always a premium for the first or last car of a series. If a show car is judged on it's orig. condition then a 70 mile used Daytona Spyder is a good place to start from. They are only new once. There are lots of people with the money and talent to re-create a "new Spyder" but ultimately that is just another restored car. Some of those have been done to a standard that far exceeds what the factory did in the early 70's. This Spyder does have some special features and a history few other Daytona models could equal. The price is more than fair for what it represents today.
    ch
     

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