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Mayor we are mostly in agreement and I love your post. Hopefully it does not drive a certain segment of current newer car owners insane as happened to me on another htread when expressing similar sentiments.

But then this thread is very much for those of us who feel not served by ferraris current offerings, or sales strategies which limit their more viceral cars to collector status/pardes..

 

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But the Alfa V6 in the Gulia is already 500hp so thats where it would go.

 

Something like this. I already have the 512M mtoor in box from factory. Maybe as prices becomming sane finding the shell will be possible.
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Thats why new 512M engine, Tr tranny with newman diff carrier and essentialy a new build/rebuild.

Nick Masons BBlm which is a 460 hp car laps faster than his f40, this would be quicker still because lighter, better brakes, better suspension, better tires and more power.

In period BBLMs failed because of the tranny, that can be avoided now.

Still a handbuilt old car, yes relaibility can be an issue, been through that with the Gt40, and so would prefer to be able to buy a new build ferrari from the factory.

I were to buy a new ferrari based ona 4c, or somehting 488 lite minimal or no nanies with stick, much lighter 2800lbs and track optimised that would be ideal too. Which means ferrari needs to build it, and produce in sufficient number that one can actualy buy it, as opposed to a few collectors puttign them in grarages.

 

In the 4c the motor is transverse, essentialy a FWD dart setup placed in the rear, as lotus does with its celica bits in the Elise. A wider v6 engine by necessity would stretch the wheelbase behind the rear bulkhead. 4ws gets back into complexity.
With 500hp and lots of Tq a slightly longer wheelbase is going to be a blessing.

Alternatively there is a version of the new Giulia sporting a 350hp TC 4cyl so 400hp porbably possible.

However a 6 is refined in a way a 4 is not.

I think I remember a thread where Jim G before he went all out to build his own chassis, had the idea of using 4c tubs and a TTv6.

In any event doing something ferrari/dino with the 4c tub is a very appealing product idea and nearly all the necessary pieces exist.

Basicaly what lotus did when they went to the exige v,6 a car they cant sell in usa because they didnt do the side airbags but still sells about 1k units per year I think.

 

360 Cs a good choice, but not a new car from the factory,

Ie what car would you like to see the factory build, more or less utilizing current production pieces.

Or put another way, we know most new ferraris are Gt cars for going to the resteraunt or C&C. But there are also a lot of great pieces there. Maybe the answer is as simple as a stradale produced in enough numbers to actualy be able to buy and use one.

Given we are now in the 488 era my call is for something viceral off the 4c platform as above. Or a 488 lite, soemthign stripped of most superflous parts and electronics, but no need to inflate price with Cf flourish. The turbo motor has lots of Tq and a relatively lower redline so would work with a stick. My ideal then would be something built of a 488 but light through elimination down to under 2900lbs without breaking the bank with Cf and ceramic discs just for the sake of it. Manualy adjustable suspension manual steering. Basicaly you would get a slightly more civilised F40 for 300k.

Even still i think the 4c route would be even better, runs no risk of dilution, and is an additional model.

 

Stick would loose 50lbs, imo make it more enjoyable on road and while slower on track more fun, making a car a keeper as opposed to yesterdays news 5 years later.

You can scrap probably 100lbs of sound deadening, and a whole lot of inetrior crap.

What does PS weight, what do the electrics and wiring to make so much stuff weigh. I think there is a lot of stuff to loose weight wise, even one can loose screens complex dash,
auto ac controlls. My BBi is 3500lbs and no ps, once on the roll its really not heavy, the new ferrari steering sytsems really precise and acurate, but so light it could be a 1974 ford..

CF works great in one place, thats seats, lots of weight saving. Wheels would be another. CF diffusers, engine covers intake blades, and interior bits thats more cosmetic and just adds $$$.

As to electronic drivers aids. In my experience, yes they are a safety net, but also a double edged sword. It does not take too long before they are fighting you and filtering ability to balance the car. Maybe the ferrari systems are much more complex, so I dont know what I am saying, the only modern ferrari I drove on track was a 599 which felt like a fast bus, and really isloated.

The 458 I drove on street also felt isolated.

Yeah theyl make the next speciale. But I think we are talking about a more raw and light car like a CS even more so. Two ways to skin the same cat, the 911GT3RS way and the 911R way. Part of the equation is to get far better on track durability and easier cost to run, while avoiding all those superflous add ons that add cost, make a car instantly "collectable" and therefore a garage car.

In any event, if ferrari only makes 500 or 1000 speciale replacements, theyre collctables, loaded up wth options, not cars to go to the track and run hard on road. Somethign more raw with a lower customer bandwidth might be more acessable and useable, plus like the 288/F40 I'll bet 20 years later it will be discovered as the one to collect.

Sonething off the 4c platform would probably be even better given what a number of us are looking for.

 

Or today it would be a TTv6 or NA V6 in a sub 3000lbs me car.

 

We are agreed. As the Alfa TTV6 is supposedly designed by ferrari and exists that seems the likely candidate assuming the fantasy car is built, and so we get 500hp. As you know the difference between 400hp and 5000 is not linear so its not really that much more.

In theory we would all love a really high revving NA v6, but as you say its not happening.

Still whatever the final spec, the pieces already exist.

The barrier to the 4c based ferrari or vicerla drivers car seems to be Fearraris sucess with "$100k in designer options, $300,000+ price, 3400lbs+, 600HP+ that results in owners barely using the things."