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Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 574
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:08 am: | |
Thank you for the clarification on the X-Ray reference on the Superperformance wheels.
Your tire and wheels weights should work well with your shock valving.
My weights on the front 225/50 X 16" came to 44.25 lbs
The rear 245/45 X 16 came to 47.25. Obviously tire sizes and types make the difference.
My Yokohamas were "only' rated to 168 MPH for extended periods of time which makes it a 'w' rating. It saved alot in the price of the tire ,roughly 40% less than So3's with a better treadwear rating and nearly the same handling ratings for street use (Tirerack). Total package with tires, stems, mount and balance came to 382.00.
Good enough for the oldslow308
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Michael Stanton (Pentastar)
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Username: Pentastar
Post Number: 12
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 8:41 pm: | |
Correction:
The speed rating of the P7000 Pirelli tires is actually ZR, not VR. |
Michael Stanton (Pentastar)
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 6:37 pm: | |
Had the Pirelli P7000 tires mounted on the new 16" repro wheels today at Precision Wheel and Tire in Paramus NJ. They did a nice job and I was able to watch the entire process from a few feet away. No scratches or anything. The high-speed balancing was done on a Hoffmann machine. They used one clip-on weight on the inside rim edge, along with one or two paste-on weights neatly hidden on the inside surface of the wheel, completely out of sight from the outside of the wheel. Very pleased with the results! The total cost of the tires,valves, mounting,balancing +tax was $513.04.
Here are the final weight measurements of these new tires and wheels (7" front 205/55 VR16, and 8" rear 225/50/VR16):
Front: 18.6 + - .05 kg or 40.92 + - .11 lbs
Rear: 21.15 + - .05 kg or 46.53 + - .11 lbs
Mike |
Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
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Username: Bill308
Post Number: 520
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 01, 2003 - 2:28 pm: | |
The original Superformance description of these wheels specifically stated they were indeed X-rayed for quality.
FWIW, Superformance currently shows a special for a full set of 2x7's and 2X8's for 725 GBP ($1140) and free shipping. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 573
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 01, 2003 - 12:34 pm: | |
The "X-Ray" reference is something done often in the aircraft indusry to insure purity and consistent density in a casting. CRUCIAL! I doubt this was done with these wheels though.
When I had my wheels balanced these jokers were trying to tell me they could only do a 'static' balance on these rims at 20.00 a pop. I told them static was okay for trucks but being in the tire business years ago I told them baloney.
This was at a Goodyear Gemini fascility, I'll never go back.
I told them to spin them and place the weights on the inboard lip and on the centerline of the rim just behind the spokes. The machine can actually be configured to balance to these two planes. They used chrome plated tape weights at both positions. Looks nice and rolls nice at 120 MPH
DJ
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Michael Stanton (Pentastar)
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Username: Pentastar
Post Number: 10
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 9:32 pm: | |
DJ,
The repro wheels do say "KN Alloys" and "Made in UK" inside in raised letters. Other curious raised letters are "X-Ray" and "FDRY" on the other spokes.
Going to get the Pirelli's mounted on the wheels probably Tuesday, at Precision Tire and Wheel in Ridgewood NJ. Planning on asking them to stick the paste-on balancing weights on the inside of the wheels for asthetics. One interesting feature of these wheels is that the inside rim of the wheel is designed to accomodate clip-on style weights, like a Mercedes for example. I will discuss with the guy next week and see what's best.
Mike |
Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
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Username: Bill308
Post Number: 517
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 9:22 pm: | |
Peter,
Superformance had the tooling made for the repro wheels. All the domestic sources buy from them.
Paul,
I would guess tire weights in this size might vary in weight by up to 5 lbs. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 570
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 7:52 pm: | |
By the time this is done YOU are going to be the expert.
DJ |
Peter Barbin (Sophia)
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Username: Sophia
Post Number: 22
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 5:02 pm: | |
One of a few questions I posted on these threads was if all these repro 16" come from the same casting house...
I personally visited Lyle Tanner's shop in the San Jose, CA area on 8/29/03. I was able to see a set of these wheels, new in boxes, that they offer on their web-site, and bonus...a new set was also mounted on a 308GT4 in the shop.
"KN Alloy" was cast into the back sides. On this thread, (thanks to DJ not quitting this thread), are some very good pictures of his wheels from which I believe were from Superformance...What I saw at Lyle's shop appear to be the same as DJ's.
Both the 7" fronts and the 8" rears had the 'spoke dish' raised up out of the rim plate if you will, on these KN wheels.
QV OEM's, at least what I've seen, have the same raised spoke dish on the 7", but the 8" rears the spoke dish are "flush" into the rim plate...How am I doin' so far? |
Newman (Newman)
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Username: Newman
Post Number: 1305
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 4:46 pm: | |
I only weighed the rear one because it was easier to get the jack under the rear. Im running 245 45 16's on the rear and 225 on the fronts. My rear wheel weighs 43lbs. More than I thought it would. I guess the front would be a little less. I wonder if there is a big difference in tire weights between makes. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 568
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 3:51 pm: | |
To Mike Stanton,
I believe another of our Fchatters got the lug bolts mixed and installed the longer bolts on the rear wheels and found that the wheel wouldn't rotate due to interference of the bolt end and the spindle housing. I am running the same bolts on the rear that I took off of the rear when changing wheels and they are indeed shorter than the front ones.
I just weighed the reproduction wheels from my 308. This is with 225/50 X 16 tires on the front 7 X 16" rims, 44.25 lbs.
The rear is 245/45 X 16 tires on the 8 X 16" rims, 47.25 lbs
One note, The wheels are stamped "Made in the UK" |
Newman (Newman)
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Username: Newman
Post Number: 1303
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 6:17 am: | |
Yes Ill take one off today sometime and throw it on the scale. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 566
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:36 pm: | |
Short bolts go on the rear |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 565
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:34 pm: | |
I just weighed the original 7.5" X 14" Cromadora wheels from my 308 with the Michelin XWX 205/70 X 14" tires mounted and the weight is a flat 40 lbs. per wheel and tire.
I'll try to weigh a 16" KN Alloy with a Yokohama AVS ES 100 mounted tomorrow. If I am ambitious I'll do a front and a rear. I believe the difference between the front and rear is 1 lb. We'll know better tomorrow.
Hey Newman, want to throw some mounted 328 numbers at us? It's for a good cause.
DJ |
Michael Stanton (Pentastar)
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 5:32 pm: | |
A few more pictures:
I ordered the bolts from Superformance and they came in two lengths:
Here I'm pushing the bolts into a 7" wheel:
Here I'm pushing them into an 8" wheel:
Until it's time to actually put them on the car, I am not sure which bolts go in the front and which go in the rear. Should be easy to tell when looking at the hubs at that time.
Mike |
Michael Stanton (Pentastar)
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 5:27 pm: | |
Even more detail into the mysteries of the KN repro 16" wheels - some photos (please forgive the quality):
This is a 7" on left and an 8" on the right:
Outside view of 7"left and 8" right (note bolt holes are set in deeper on the 8" wheel)
Inside view of 7"
Inside view of 8" (note built-up flange)
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Newman (Newman)
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Username: Newman
Post Number: 1300
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 5:03 pm: | |
I did have a set of 16" Momo 3 piece racing rims which Jay Grande now has and they were light as a feather. Never seen such a light rim in my life. I had the reciept from the late 80's and the PO paid $4800 for them.
Weve almost beaten this topic to death, I agree the repops arent ugly just not what I wanted on my 308. If and when I ever sell the car, I would consider selling the rims seperately and put the 14's on it for originality purposes. I figure I wont lose money on the 328 rims but I did when i sold the repops after using them for 6 months. Oh well, live and learn. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
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Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1679
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 4:04 pm: | |
Michael: Keep us posted (or email me if this thread dies) on the wheel bolt compatibility in using the repro wheels on a GT4. |
Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
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Post Number: 288
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:42 pm: | |
Lets not forget that if we are really getting technical, different models of tires have very different weights so if weight is so important then you should be shopping for tires with an eye on performance allied with a consideration to their weight. Wheel choice as I said is a balancing act of essentially the factors I previously listed. Now lets talk 308's here.
1. If weight is your prime mover then the fact is that none of the OEM wheels are your best bet. Buy some very light aftermarket wheels and revel in having the finest 'performance'.
2. If cost is your main consideration then once again none of the OEM wheels are the best option. There are many other cheaper and lighter alternatives out there.
3. If originality is your bag then fork out the money and buy OEM 16" QV wheels. Any other wheel, no matter how similar or 'original' is not technically correct. There is only ONE correct 16" wheel for this car and not using that wheel is simply a matter of balancing one or more of the other 2 considerations.
You then have a question on your hands...when is it considered too far to use parts where, albeit original, are from other cars. For instance, would it be wrong and affect the value and 'originality' of your 308 by installing 328 seats in it if they were considerably less expensive than a 308 seat? Assuming they bolt right in, some people may argue that it is ok because the seat is lets say more comfortable and made by Ferrari despite not matching what the car came with. I suppose everyone is different so it boils down to your personal convictions as to what does 'original' and 'correct' mean to you. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 564
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:22 pm: | |
Tazio, Thats 31% of (roughly) 20 lbs on each wheel X 4 = 28 lbs +/-. I guess if you revalved your shocks it wouldn't hurt too much.
Still curious if the new reproduction wheels with tires mounted would weigh more or less than the original 14" wheels with the Michelins?
I'm sure that Newman's combination would weigh the least obviously. It would be great to see an accurate comparison between the three combinations.
Maybe I'll stop by the store and pick up a scale and weigh one of my 14" wheel/tires tonight.
DJ |
Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
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Post Number: 287
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:01 pm: | |
I believe it all comes down to a balancing out of three essential considerations (in no particular order):
1. weight
2. cost
3. originality / correctness on a particular vehicle
I can only speak in my case as I am fantastically pleased with my repro wheels. The price was right, they are close enough for me to not care (in the end it is my car and only my opinion matters) and lastly, I am not out to juice outright performance from my car so a 31% weight difference is not an issue for me. Nor do I believe that the weight difference can be felt under normal driving conditions. I'm not out to change the world and I know that I own the car and the car does not own me and what a beautiful car a GTB is. |
Luigi Vespuchi (Lvespuchi)
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 11:49 am: | |
Cereberal, yeah, concentrate on that one.
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Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
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Post Number: 272
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 11:31 am: | |
Michael,
If you haven't bought the tires yet, I had pirelli p700z same size you are getting and was talked into getting the Bridgestone S-02 non pole position by a fellow chatter. The are the stickiest tires I have had and they feel and handle great!!! Also they are being discontinued and are priced great at tire rack. They are mainly for dry weather though. I posted a picture below of them. Just a thought, I was leary at first but glad I got them!!!
Rob |
Newman (Newman)
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Username: Newman
Post Number: 1298
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 11:23 am: | |
I didnt realize you took a pole on who does and doesnt understand my logic. I didnt think my last post was that cerebral, sorry old S-L-O-W. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 563
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:51 am: | |
Your logic escapes me............and many others.
Either you are a purist or you are not......or you don't even know what.
I'm outta here!
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Newman (Newman)
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Username: Newman
Post Number: 1296
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:16 am: | |
Thats a tough call oldslow, my 308 is made by fiat. I want to buy a TR as long as I can get an adapter to mount a pair of Mopar slant six distributor caps on it because the ferrari ones are too expensive, wa wa wa. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 562
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:11 am: | |
Newman! Blasphemy! You had better straighten these people out!http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/308609.html?1062168270
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Dave (Dave)
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Post Number: 584
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 9:15 am: | |
Hey Bert, I saw those... they are about the same as the 2400sm, that GTO style.
And while I like them, I was looking for a little more modern same style wheel, with a little less spoke width in the star area, if you know what I mean. |
Bert Kanters (Bert308)
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Post Number: 100
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 8:55 am: | |
Dave, http://www.compomotive.com
Look for products, modular, 3piece style "TS" |
Dave (Dave)
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Post Number: 583
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 8:38 am: | |
On the subject of aftermarket wheels for a 308...
I have been looking over the idea of getting a set of 17's or 18's for my 308 so I can keep a set of racing tires mounted on my spare set, but have found that many manufactures have stopped making wheels that will fit a 308 because of the age of the car.
For example Speedline now only offers 2 styles of wheels with the proper offset to fit a 308...
Anyone bought aftermarket wheels for the 308 in the last year? |
Newman (Newman)
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Post Number: 1294
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 8:22 am: | |
Tazio, a 31% increase in weight is significant just like if your girlfriend gained 31%, you would care. |
Michael Stanton (Pentastar)
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:59 pm: | |
Getting Pirelli P7000s (205/55 and 225/50) for the repro wheels. What will be interesting is to weigh the new wheels and tires combined weight, vs. that of the original 14" star wheels and the 205/70 tires that came with the car. The lower profile tires may help to offset the additional weight of the aluminum repro wheels slightly.
Will post the info when the new tires are mounted on the new wheels and I'm ready to swap the 14" originals that are currently on the 308GT4. |
Peter Barbin (Sophia)
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:40 pm: | |
Dave, I am a member of Ferrari Club of America. My job is such with my current "juniority" that weekends are hard to comeby...I'll have my car at Seattle Center on Sept. 27th. Too bad I'll miss the Pier.
Now my wife is involved with the wheel selection...its really a grreat thing. She likes the looks of Newman's Grigio 308 GTB w/328 wheels, I'm partial to the look of the stock 16", DJ's & Terry Springer's 16" 'KN Alloy's' look particularly nice...this thread's information is getting better.
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Michael Stanton (Pentastar)
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:25 pm: | |
Here's what we came up with on the new 16" repro wheels:
Offset: Front and rear are 14 mm or 9/16"
Wheel width to outer flanges:
7" fronts - 7 7/8"
8" rears - 8 7/8
Weight:
7" fronts - 9.075 + - .05 kg or 19.965 + - .11 lbs
8" rears - 9.575 + - .05 kg or 21.065 + - .11 lbs
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Newman (Newman)
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Post Number: 1293
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 6:24 pm: | |
I weighed a front QV rim being that I only have the one and it is exactly 13lbs on my bathroom scale. On the subject of not noticing any performance loss with heavier wheels I have to say that it would have an effect. Rotational mass has an effect on 0 to 60 times. For example, switching a steel drive shaft for an aluminum one on a 5.0 mustang is a common mod. Why? stronger, better balanced and lighter, less rotational mass to deal with, similar to an aluminum flywheel allowing an engine to accellerate faster. My guess is the repops are 18- 20lbs each. Also on the subject of strength, I have never heard of or seen a QV rim fail from use so thats a weak arguement. And yes, unsprung weight has an effect on handling, Im sure ferrari could have cheaped out and used a less exotic material for the rims at the cost of being heavier but they didnt. Why? i dont know. Also, I want my 308 to be a light as possible without gutting it to improve 0 to 60 times. I will replace my bumpers and use a lighter spare like the euro early 308's did so why would I put big clunker rims on it and defeat my goal? |
Michael Stanton (Pentastar)
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 6:02 pm: | |
I just bought a set of 16" repro wheels from Superformance to put on my 1975 308GT4. Will post exact measurements of the offsets, as well as exact weight of the wheels tomorrow, for those interested... |
Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
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Post Number: 642
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 3:22 pm: | |
Yep, I reckon. Anyway, that's why I reshod those wheels of mine with new XWXs. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 561
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 3:10 pm: | |
The rest of the equation had to do with body roll and bias transfer, front to back and vice versa. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 560
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 3:02 pm: | |
He was commenting on reciprocating mass of the unsprung weight mostly.
"The bouncing of the wheel and tire assembly and the dampening thereof" |
Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
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Post Number: 641
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 2:48 pm: | |
I agree with you completely, DJ. Technology has advanced over the >25 years since these cars were designed. They can only benefit from updated technology.
Just one thing I wanted to add to this thread. During my search for a 308 two years ago, I remember the salesperson's discourse on how my car's suspension was "tuned and balanced" for 205/70s on 14" wheels. Can anyone elaborate on that and comment if any changes to the suspension are necessary when going to more modern tires on 16" wheels? |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 559
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 2:23 pm: | |
One last point that I would like to make and I'll quit this thread.
It has been proven by many owners and mechanics on this site that there are many aftermarket parts available for Ferraris that are far better in design and quality than ther originals from the factory.
Realizing the logic of the above statement I'll not look down my nose at those that use those parts.
DJ |
dave handa (Davehanda)
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Post Number: 1753
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 2:20 pm: | |
Not when going from 14" to factory oem 16" QV wheels on my 78 308 GTS. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
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Post Number: 1677
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 2:19 pm: | |
Since this seems to be the most definitive thread yet on this topic, I'll bring up an old question:
When switching wheels (to either the repros or OEM 328), are wheel bolts an issue?
I've heard both ways. |
dave handa (Davehanda)
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Post Number: 1752
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 2:18 pm: | |
Peter,
I highly recommend you join the FCA and attend our local events. There is a wealth of information exchanged, and you can learn a great deal from studying and asking others about their cars...www.ferrariclub.com is our site, and we have links to joining. Many of us will be at the Italian Concours this Sunday at the Seattle Waterfront. We will be giving out membership info. there as well, come find our little "tent". We have a very active membership here.
Dave |
Peter Barbin (Sophia)
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 1:48 pm: | |
Well I started this thread with some basic questions... They have all been answered! This thread, again, has been most useful. To Dave Handa, I deal in accuracies to the point of lunacy in my world, so thanks for elaborating on your experience with who made what.
DJ's points are valid...like him I'm simply looking for a better weekend driving experience with wheel/tire sizes that make for almost unlimited tire choices. For concours day, on go the 14" if I'm in the mood.
Newman's car looks great too with 328 wheels. They perhaps would be worth more if sold separately as used wheels than repros, but I'm not planning on selling, and If I were, ANY descent 16" set, along with the original 14"s would be a strong selling point.
Where am I going now? My wife likes the 328's style to bring it up to a more modern look. We aren't interested in track events, just sporty touring...So it comes down to a choice mainly of looks and cost...TO MOUNT MODERN RUBBER ON THE CAR! Great discussion gentlemen! |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 558
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 1:37 pm: | |
"Refusing to spend money foolishly does not make one cheap"
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Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 557
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 1:34 pm: | |
Barry,
There is one thing I do like about the 205/70 X 14 tires that were on my 308 was the fact that the sidewalls bulged outwards and gave it a substantial look. Really helped fill out the wheel wells. I looked at a Daytona with those huge 70 series tires, same thing.
My new 16's don't do that and it leaves the wheel well kind of lacking in that respect. Maybe a larger tire next time or different profile to fatten the side wall up a bit..
DJ |
Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
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Post Number: 638
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 1:03 pm: | |
DJ,
I have those "ridiculous" Michelin (Balloon Clown) XWX 205/70 VR14s on my car. They're really not too bad and look kind of nice. In a 1970s sort of way, of course.
I would also opt for reproduction 16" wheels with better tires if I were inclined to improve performance.
Barry |
Mark (Markg)
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Post Number: 581
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:55 pm: | |
Anyone know where I can get OEM factory air to replace the aftermarket air currently in my tires? |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 556
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:52 pm: | |
Hey Paul,
Can't wait to drop the Chev 350 into my red 240. Love the power to weight ratio.
Drop me a picture of your Z. Tell me about it!
DJ |
Paul Hill (348paul)
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Post Number: 382
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:30 pm: | |
DJ
Look on the bright side - At least you have the 240z's 
Paul
(Fellow 240Z owner!!)
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dave handa (Davehanda)
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Post Number: 1748
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:22 pm: | |
Hey, we can all agree to disagree right? Paul Newman and I are going to make peace...he even tried to call me last night. I'll give him a call this evening. After all, we all share a common passion; these expensive, often times frustrating cars! Yeah, we can differ on what makes-em technically or cosmetically right, but in the end they are Ferraris, through and through! Heck, I was never mad at Paul, I always enjoy a good debate, but regardless, we can all be friends, that's why I LOVE Ferrarichat! |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 555
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:41 am: | |
One last confession, The yellow on my 308 is actually Shell Racing Yellow. I'm so ashamed.
I think I'll sell the car. Think I could get 10 or 12k for an undesirable 308 like this one? |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 554
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:23 am: | |
Newman,
You aren't banging your head against the wall in trying to convince 308 owners to buy Ferrari parts. If I felt that buying brand new 16" QV wheels was absolutly necessary in order to run a better performing 16" tire I would have done so. In my own opinion (which I am entitled) I feel that although OEM, using a wheel from another model Ferrai doesn't necessarily look good on another model or make it right.
By buying reproduction wheels (that look every bit as good as the original factory wheels) I saved enough money to buy a good set of performance tires and still had change left over for an alignment and pay the mortgage on my house!
Running reproduction wheels on my 308 IN NO WAY HAS REDUCED THE VALUE OF MY CAR!. The wheels simply bolt on and bolt off. If I wish to restore my car to it's original configuration and value I will simply reinstall the 14" rims with the rediculous Michelin Balloon Clown tires, resell the 16" tires to someone else that wants THEIR 308 to handle.
It's not like I put a wing on the back of the thing!
If you look at my car you'll notice it also has Euro turnsignal lenses on it, those are incorrect, The bumpers are pushed in like a Euro, that is WRONG for a US car, or the radar detector sticking out of the grill, that is non Ferarri. The side mirrors on my car are not factory stock either! The oil filter isn't Ferrari. You might notice the spark plug wires on my engine aren't Ferrari either....but, they cost 400.00 less than the Ferrari item and are the EXACT SAME WIRE with different boots.
My point is; all of the modifications I have done to my car are reversable and in no way ruin the historical value of my car. It is ALL REVERSABLE. I have the box of original parts. It's not a concours car and never will be, maybe yours is. Your way isn't necessarily the ONLY way.
So by your standards I guess my 308 is just another one of THOSE (read crappy) 308'S.
Signed, proud owner of an oldslowcrappy308. DJ |
Alan Leach (Speedy308)
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Username: Speedy308
Post Number: 56
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:51 am: | |
Hats off to Tazio on what should be the ultimate recap of this subject!!! JRV and I compared the Speedline to Chromo to Campi when all three were in his shop. All different by nuances. I had photos but misplaced them in recent move.
I finally decided to run my Etoile 16" on the street and keep the 14" OEM for shows, if needed. More junk in the garage!
Tazio, I think you mean "fractional" in lieu of "frictional".
GO GOODYEAR! #1 in Racing. TTFN |
dave handa (Davehanda)
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Post Number: 1743
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:24 am: | |
Sorry Peter for my less than satisfactory answer, Rob (Tazio) has already given a well studied answer, my information was from a couple years ago when I was looking for QV rims....I called every dealer looking for original rims and several kept telling me to wait, as repros where coming from a (un-named) source in the UK. I forget who, but one of the dealers explained (when I asked how many companies were going to make these) that the Ferrari market is too small for more than one to make repros for what is considered a tiny "nitch" market. Thus, ONE company found it worth their while to make a small run... Apparently another company made repros a few years ago, who, I don't know. But the claim, was that they were "exact" copies, only done in aluminum....never seen one, so I wouldn't know the veracity of that claim (hey, hows that? I'm covering my statements now.. . :-) ) |
Newman (Newman)
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Username: Newman
Post Number: 1292
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:12 am: | |
I realize Im banging my head against the wall trying to convince a 308 owner to buy a ferrari part instead of cheaping out and making due with something that is good enough. You guys win. This is what seperates the good 308's from the less than desirable ones. |
Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
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Post Number: 286
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 9:56 am: | |
Actually DJ your comments have me remember a funny story. A friend of mine and I would go karting most weekends last year. He always obsessed about tiny details most notably wanting to set his tire pressures to within 0.25lbs and making these minute adjustments. I admit that in international competition this is critical but we were just playing around. He had been told about how sensitive the tires were by people who raced internationally so he was convinced that he could feel the changes. All of this went to pot one day when he had a front wheel come off and he continued to drive for 3/4 of a lap at unabated speed not noticing that he was on 3 wheels. It was not until the kart ground to a halt that he got out and started inspecting the rear axle for the problem. To this day I give him hell about it because if he could not notice an entire wheel missing somehow the 1/4lb pressure adjustments were totally in his head.
The moral of the story. If you were going for times and driving your 308 within an inch of its life (I stress an inch of the car's life and not the driver's skill which is normally considerably lower) then yes lighter wheels are an advantage. For even the most spirited of motoring, it is impossible to tell the difference. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 553
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 9:37 am: | |
I suppose because these 'poor example' aftermarket reproduction rims are so much heavier than the original OEM alloy rims I should probably fill the tires with Helium to compensate for the difference. We all know that unsprung weight is the enemy of these cars.
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Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 552
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:55 am: | |
No point. All of my rims have tires on them and are on the car. |
Newman (Newman)
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Username: Newman
Post Number: 1291
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:27 am: | |
I have a factory QV rim at home I would be more than happy to weigh if you like. You have to wait until this evening though. |
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