| Author | Message | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 551 Registered: 2-2003 |
So true, what a dilemma. I don't know if I can live with it. | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1290 Registered: 12-2001 |
Unfortunately the JB weld will make it even less original and weigh your old slow 308 down even more. | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 550 Registered: 2-2003 |
That does it! I'm going to buy a bucket of JB Weld and fill in the 1/4" deep groove at the base of the spokes on my rear wheels so they look EXACTLY like original factory wheels and while I'm at it I'll stick a 1/2" spacer behind the wheel so it sticks out 1/2" farther than the fronts. My lug bolts are a little tarnished too so maybe I should buy those OEM bolts for 80.00 USD EACH! instead of the 10.00 each for aftermarket bolts advertised by yet another sponsor of this site. That should get me that concours trophy this Sunday at the pier in Seattle!........oh, I take that back, I have a 6061 polished aluminum shift ball on my car. Should probably put that POS black plastic one on before the show. Ya think? I'm with Tazio 1000% because I am biased too AND I am following one of my own mottos; "I love to spend money but I hate to spend it foolishly!" Peter, Shop around for the best price, get the aftermarket rims and some good low profile tires. You will be astounded at how well the car drives! If anybody gives you crap about the accuracy of the face design tell them you couldn't justify the extra 3,000.00 to please someone elses personal tastes or requirements. If you are concerned about weight difference don't be. Your 308 has 25 year old technology coil-over Koni's and I seriously doubt ANYBODY could tell the weight difference. We are talking a couple of pounds here! .05 worth. | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1289 Registered: 12-2001 |
The molds cost $20K, if they made a front and rear mold they would have the dealer by the balls because who would pay 4 times as much for one rim? Im sure they recovered their outlay for the molds and then some, its a shame they didnt go one step further to make them correct. Rob, you down-play the differences in the rear rim but thats understandable, you supplied them to users of this site. You might be biased. The 328/308 rims are similar with the exception of the raised rib around the wheel bolts and the center snout. The 348/355 rims do not look anything like a 308/328 rim. | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 285 Registered: 9-2002 |
Allow me to chime in here as I have spent a huge amount of time researching these wheels and it appears as though there is a lot of misinformation on this post that could do with some clearing up. I�ll separate the info into different sections to make it easier to read. About the original 16� wheels OEM Ferrari 16� wheels for the QV were produced by either Chromodora or Campagnolo. I cannot find a clear distinction as to which wheel was available during which years. Both wheels look identical except for 1 detail. The Chromodora wheels have all of their ID text on the wheel in raised letters while the Campagnolo uses thin black decals. The 328 wheels on Newman�s car are made for Ferrari by Speedline and have a totally different look than those on the QV. It is fair to say that the only similarity is that they are both silver and have 5 spokes. About the Reproductions ALL and I mean ALL of the 16� repros out there are made by KN Alloys in England. KN will not sell you wheels as their tooling for these wheels is owned by Superformance in the UK. So all of these dealers you see out there with these wheels have bought them from one place. These are the differences between the repros and the OEM wheels: 1.They weigh more. I do not have a specific figure but the difference is frictional. The reason for this is that the wheels are made from aluminum and not the magnesium that the OEM wheels. The aluminum wheel is stronger at the price of a little weight. Seeing as I�m not out to set pole at Monaco with my 308, I�ll take strength over a little weight any day 2.The fronts match the rears. OEM wheels are marginally different front to rear. Wheel molds are expensive so the repro manufacturer choose to copy the front wheel pattern to the rear thereby saving on the cost of one mold. The exact difference lies in the �lip� where the spoke meets the rim (note the front wheels are identical to the OEM) on the back rim. Repro�s have a tiny lip while the OEM is more flush. In order to maintain the OEM offset, the repro wheels also have their bolts marginally deeper than the OEM to make up for this �lip�. 3.Colour. Some people claim that the colour does not match OEM PERFECTLY. With that said I have seen dozens of OEM wheels and they all look a little different in colour. The Italians are not known for consistency so a set of repros will match about as many OEM wheels as OEM wheels would match their peers. The colour issue is a non starter but some will argue it. 4.Center caps. The center caps supplied with the wheels are way off and I�d recommend using your OEM caps (they fit perfectly) and selling the others on E-bay (I got $110 for mine). The wheels come with all of the matching Campagnolo and Ferrari decals which match perfectly the OEM wheels. So now for the editorial note Which wheels to buy? If you are so very concerned about originality then go for a set of OEM 16� Ferrari wheels and pay through the nose. 328 wheels are 5 spoke but then again so are 348, 355, & 360 wheels. All of these wheels are Ferrari �Original� but the difference between a repro 16� wheel and an OEM 16� are much much smaller than the differences between an OEM 16� wheel and an OEM 328 wheel. If you like the look of the 328 wheel on your 308 that�s one thing but if your prime motivation is originality then you might as well paint your early 308 in lacquer & have it crack in 3 years, pay an insane amount for crappy fuse blocks that melt, and re-build your engine with OEM valves that crack more easily than Greg Norman at the Masters. Ferrari�s are great cars and all but there has to be some accountability in the real world. When you consider the many thousands of dollars you would save buying repros with the difference being very very marginal and no differences in safety, it makes for a compelling argument to consider repros. Without a doubt, the money saved could be put to very good use on other parts of the car thereby leaving you with a better finished product in the end. Just my .02 | ||
| Peter Barbin (Sophia)
New member Username: Sophia Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2003 |
Dave, by what "appearances" are all these wheel offerings cast by the same firm? I tire of useless conjecture. I'm looking for answers, not quesswork. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Intermediate Member Username: Peters Post Number: 1392 Registered: 1-2003 |
Where is the best place to get the yellow replacement cap for the wheel? Will somebody please advise and send me an email at [email protected]. I ran over mine by not remembering it was on top of the tire, ready to be re-glued back in place! | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 269 Registered: 2-2002 |
Guys, check out my nuts! Rob  | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 549 Registered: 2-2003 |
Mine are stamped 'KN ALLOYS" on the back of one spoke if I remember correctly. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1731 Registered: 5-2001 |
Peter, from all appearances, the reproduction QV wheels are made by a single source. | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 548 Registered: 2-2003 |
<....eclipses> Thats what is so great about this site. It's world wide and full of people that have found better ways to fix a Ferrari, and for less, as well as made mistakes and are willing to share their experiences. DJ | ||
| Peter Barbin (Sophia)
New member Username: Sophia Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2003 |
DJ's reproduction wheels look just great! Despite the nitpicking, this has been a most beneficial thread I began...for now I have a much better understanding of what's out there: 1: 328 wheels will fit, Ferrari UK has them. 2: 308 QV wheels front's have that 'raised spoke-dish.' 3: Superperformance's 16" wheels appear to look much like the 14" Cromodoras, just larger. I'm surprised however that nobody wrote into this thread regarding offerings from Dennis McCann and Lyle Tanner's parts houses (set of 4 $1850.00)...are their wheels cast/produced by the same shop as those sold by Superperformance...? Again, to all, thanks for all the pictures & postings thus far. I suppose if we all just "stick to the facts and specs" and keep the emotion out of these discussions, things wouldn't get as heated. Its only frustrating when someone posts inaccurate details that can lead the novice astray...On a positive note, I've gathered so much good information here, it definately eclipses the knowledge out there given to me by the Ferrari dealers here in the NW US! | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 547 Registered: 2-2003 |
So what I am getting out of this is, it is preferable to install OEM 328 wheels on an early (non QV) 308 than to install a set of nicely finished reproduction 16" QV wheels with the IDENTICAL face design as the original 7.5" X 14" wheels that came off the car. So how can an incorrect 308 QV wheel on an early 308 be more incorrect than a 328 wheel? Yes the rear 8" reproduction wheels do not have the (nearly invisible) additional 1/2" build up at the base of the spokes but does it make a REAL and ASTHETICALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE? Not in my book. Out of the 200 people at Brunos party this weekend I doubt more than a handful noticed the wheels were reproductions and if thy did they didn't care. THE WHEELS LOOK GOOD ON THE CAR. Do I regret buying the repeo's, NOPE! Now I have 5,000 to spend on more important things. So, using the arguement of sticking with OEM wheels over reproduction wheels it would be okay to use wheels off of a 246 Dino?, a TR?, how about a Daytona. It would probably look like crap but as long as it's OEM it's okay right? Too much nit picking here! DJ | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 546 Registered: 2-2003 |
So what I am getting out of this is, it is preferable to install OEM 328 wheels on an early (non QV) 308 than to install a set of nicely finished reproduction 16" QV wheels with the IDENTICAL face design as the original 7.5" X 14" wheels that came off the car. So how can an incorrect 308 QV wheel on an early 308 be more incorrect than a 328 wheel? Yes the rear 8" reproduction wheels do not have the (nearly invisible) additional 1/2" build up at the base of the spokes but does it make a REAL and ASTHETICALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE? Not in my book. Out of the 200 people at Brunos party this weekend I doubt more than a handful noticed the wheels were reproductions and if thy did they didn't care. THE WHEELS LOOK GOOD ON THE CAR. Do I regret buying the repeo's, NOPE! Now I have 5,000 to spend on more important things. So, using the arguement of sticking with OEM wheels over reproduction wheels it would be okay to use wheels off of a 246 Dino?, a TR?, how about a Daytona. It would probably look like crap but as long as it's OEM it's okay right? Picking Nits! DJ | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 267 Registered: 2-2002 |
Newman, Im sorry I just looked your profile again and answered my own question, the 328 wheels look good on your car. Boy I like that greeness of Canada, never that green in CA :=(. I am glad about this post as many have asked about my claim for the 16" wheels being an option on the gt4, I am sure that they must have been available on the GTB,GTS as well but do not have the parts book. Rob | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 264 Registered: 2-2002 |
Here are some more pictures of the Chromodora 16" wheels, the main difference once again is the raised lip on the center section on the 7x16 front as opposed to the same area on the rear 8x16 which has a groove there and the center section is flush with the wheel. BTW the correct color is Fer 101C the same color Ferrari used on the cars during that time time(argento), but with a semi-gloss coat. Rob, PS I wheely like these S-02 tires and can highly reccomend them, although Bridgestone swwears they will have a better set for me after Monza :-0   | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 263 Registered: 2-2002 |
Guys, First off Dave sold me his QV wheels which were in perfect shape so I know he knows what they look like. I have never met him but I will owe him for life for selling me these great wheels. He is a great guy! Newman you car looks great, and I agree I would rather have the real thing, that is why I bought Dave's wheels. That said I think the repros are nice, but wish they were more accurate, but they are definitely cheaper. I spent close to 5 grand on the wheels, tires, center caps, valve stems, painting, re-chroming nuts etc. BTW Dave is dating a Canadian so you guys should get along better. :-) BTW What wheels are on you car they look like the QV's? I have relatives in Keptville Ontario is that near you? Next up is I was told that I would have a problem with the grease caps but I think the early cars had shorter ones as my wheels went on fine, caps and all, no interference. I was told you need to machine shorter ones but I lucked out twice as I have another short set I bought a couple of years ago to do my front suspension. I dont think the 328 wheels would look as good as the QV wheels IMHO. I know the QV's are not the correct wheel for my car but the design is exactly the same except for the larger size. If anyone really wants a set they are out there you just have to be patient and you will find one. I have 3 sets of wheels including the originals which I am going to restore. My reasoning is even though the gt4 did not come with the QV rims if they were an option (even in Europe)it is at least more correct and visually esthetic then the HRE's I had before. Respectfully, Rob    I am posting the info from my 1979 gt4 book, I am hoping they come out ok as I am a mac guy. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1725 Registered: 5-2001 |
Newman, if you READ my post, I noted the factual errors in Bluemel's book...geesh, lighten up... :-) Dave, at least observant enough to read the posts...and not argue points that are not even in contention. :-) BTW, I will end my posts here as I am sure everyone is tiring of our bickering....if you wish to continue, you can email be directly or I can email you my phone and we can hash stuff out that way. I bet we would actually get along quite well in person... | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1288 Registered: 12-2001 |
Do yourself a favour David, dont use Original V8 as the gospel truth. I found probably a dozen errors that are obvious to ferrari owners but would steer a novice array. You'll notice he doesnt even show a QV rim as one of the rims where he shows the differences in design. | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1287 Registered: 12-2001 |
Correct david, I meant 7.5". Like I said, Ive never seen a pre 82 308GTB/S with 16's from the factory. If your car came with 14's then the original QV rims are incorrect just like painting my silver car red would be incorrect even though red was an option. The 2 arguements I make is the 328 rims are OEM and will hold a certain value which many 308 owners worry about and they cost less than the poor copies of the QV rims. I still think you arent very observant and until we have 3D pictures, you wont see the rim differences like in real life unless you know what you are looking for. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1719 Registered: 5-2001 |
I thought the 7x14 wheel was only used on the GT4...? Here is what Keith Bluemel writes on the subject, though this cannot be completely trusted, as I have found several errors in the book: 308GTB/GTS 6.5x14 or 7.5x14 308GTSi/GTBi/QV Metric or 6.5x14 or 7.5x14 or the 7x16/8x16 rims 328GTS/GTB only the 7x16 and 8x16 Bluemel claims his information is from owner's manuals, but also states that with three oem manufacturers and numerous optional wheels, "all this makes for quite a baffling array of specifications that can be considered original equipment". Different markets got different wheels as both standard and optional. My 78 308 GTS had the 7.5x14 wheels, that was standard for that year (in NA). I believe it was optional in Europe. I understand your statement Newman; that you prefer a Ferrari part that never came on the car to an incorrect reproduction of a part that may/may not (depends on the year) have come on the car.... "not very observant" Dave, still waiting for someone to hose me on some repro Ferrari parts....anyone? | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1286 Registered: 12-2001 |
I find it odd that you could get a QV rim on a 79 from the factory yet Ive never seen it or had someone say thats the way there's came from the factory. The wide wheel option was a 7"x14". Maybe a GT4 in europe did have the option but I would like to see it in writing or pictures. Yes its personal taste. I prefer a ferrari part over an incorrect reproduction of a rim that never came on the car to begin with. | ||
| Joe Craven (Rscapri2600)
New member Username: Rscapri2600 Post Number: 36 Registered: 7-2002 |
If I had to choose, I prefer the 328 wheels over the incorrect 308qv reproduction wheels. The cap issue is relatively minor. I was set to order the 328 wheels, but learned that the offsets wouldn't work on my Mondial. Thanks list, I've learned a lot with minimal work. 85 Mondial - now with aftermarket wheels that fit better than OEM Metric. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1718 Registered: 5-2001 |
Newman, I SEE the differences, I am only saying that to ME, they appear insignificant, to YOU they are VERY significant. To each their own. As I said before, the pictures say it all, so in the end, each can make their own choice. I believe it looks more "correct" to have the repro QV wheels (as Rob pointed out, they WERE optional from at least the 79 Euro 308's), but the 328 wheels where never correct on a 308. You obviously prefer the look and weight and cost advantages of the 328 wheel, excellent, that works for you, and that is fine. I admit, I disagree with the decision, but it is yours to make, as is mine. I think I am better understanding the hub differences, the caps then, are too long, not too large in diameter? So the fix is a shorter cap? Respectfully, Dave (waiting to get "hosed" on some misrepresented Ferrari parts...) :-) | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1285 Registered: 12-2001 |
David, you are incorrect because machining the rim will have no effect on installing the center cap. It is a big deal to me, you wanted to know the differences, I told you. You owned a QV and claim to not understand even after seeing the repops. You cant be very observant and one day you will buy something that is a repop and get hosed thinking its genuine. I pay attention to details and I guess you dont. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1715 Registered: 5-2001 |
Actually Peter, I WAS correct. The dust caps on the front are larger on a 308, so something has to give...either you mill away a little material on the inside of the wheel hub or you modify/replace the dust caps. I had seen a couple references in the past where people had the center hubs milled slightly to fit, but was unable to confirm this was necessary or needed until Newman's posts. Personally, after much looking at the repro QV wheels and the originals back to back at our recent gathering, (IMHO) this difference is VERY minor. I know it is a huge deal to Newman, and to each their own. I appreciate DJ going to the trouble to post all of the pictures too. This way anyone in the future and see and choose for themselves, which option will work best for them, cosmetically and mechanically. | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1284 Registered: 12-2001 |
I have come up with nothing because the center caps fit so tightly and the hub fits the rim just as well I dont have dust or water getting into the bearings. I plan to tackle it this fall when the car is off the road. Im not concerned, its a small hurdle to get over to use genuine rims but thats the only issue when using the 328 rims on a 308. | ||
| Peter Barbin (Sophia)
New member Username: Sophia Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2003 |
Excellent pics Dana! Now it's time to go shopping for a digital camera...the visuals really explain all of these differences. On another thread titled: "will 328 wheels fit a 308," Dava Handa claimed material had to be removed from 328 wheels to fit the 308. I quess this is not valid... Newman, also on that thread, was looking at Ford Focus rear bearing dust caps to remedy the clearance problem for fitting 328 fronts to the 308 front hubs. Thus solving the clearance issue between the emblem cap and the 308's front bearing dust cap. So Newman, what ultimately did you come up with? | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 543 Registered: 2-2003 |
Charles, My 308 came with the original 14" wheels and before I decided to go with the 16" I was going to go with low profile tires on the 14's and lower the car an inch using the revised spring perch method. It would have looked good in my opinion. The main thing is to reduce the space between the top of the tire and the wheel opening to a minimum. Now that I have the 14's laying around I think I'll use them for snow rims. DJ | ||
| Charles Brading (Austin308)
New member Username: Austin308 Post Number: 44 Registered: 6-2003 |
When I bought my 308 it had the metric wheels. Found a real good deal on 14's in town. You don't know how much you would love 14's till you have a set of the metric wheels. Put a lower profile tire on the 14's (see profile)like the way it drives and looks. Have a nice of metric tires and wheels any offers. You could go from a 14 to a 15.3 almost a 16  | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 260 Registered: 2-2002 |
Peter, All I know is I love my 16" QV wheels I got from dave! On the gt4 in the 1979 parts manual the QV wheels are an option for europe. BTW the S-02's are great!!!!!!  | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 542 Registered: 2-2003 |
So after placing a 308, 308 QV and a 328 side by side and armed with a tape measure this is what we came up with. OEM 308 QV rear wheel 8" X 16"  Notice the built up/flush area from the base of the spoke to the rim shelf. This adds approximately 1/2" to the distance of the wheel lip from the hub face. In the pictures below of the repro wheel (rear) notice the recess between the base of the spokes and the rim shelf. Identical to the front rim design. The distance from the hub face to the rim lip is 1/2" less than the OEM wheel.   Both rims are 8" wide as opposed to the 7" front rims but on the OEM wheel the additional 1" of width is split between the inboard and out board sides of the wheel. The 1" of extra width on the reproduction wheel is added to the inboard side of the rim only so visually, as viewed from the side of the car there is only a half inch difference of offset between the two wheels. Note; None of this part of the discussion applies to 328 wheels which look like this;  | ||
| Peter Barbin (Sophia)
New member Username: Sophia Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2003 |
Dave Handa, I was specifically interested if Newman found a more flush dust cap for the front spindles, or if he cut a section out of the stock dust caps and welded them back up. Reading this thread, Newman was still in the process of sorting this out... Hope everyone will have a blast at Bruno's. I couldn't get out of my work trip. I'm sorry I missed it, it would have been a great opportunity to take the tape measure and compare rims. The 1/2" lip setback on the 16" QV front factory rims is not that attractive...Leading my toward either DJ's beautiful 16" repro's or 328's from Ferrari UK. I thank everyone thus far for all the postings, keep 'em coming! | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1681 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ferrari UK only sells oem parts, to include the 328 rim. The only issue to fitiment is the front hubs, rears are fine. Read the entire thread, Newman explains it in one of his posts. | ||
| Peter Barbin (Sophia)
New member Username: Sophia Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2003 |
The discussion continues, thanks for all the postings...DJ's wheels look very good! Better finish than my original 14". Questions still remain on the 328 wheels. Are the Ferrari UK's offerings manufactured by the original OEM supplier to Ferrari? Is the front hub's grease cap the only obstacle in mounting the 328 wheels? And if so, what direction did Newman take to remedy this? | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 519 Registered: 2-2003 |
In answer to the other questions, It was a straight bolt on, no mods and balanced out nicely with the new tires. The steering response is much tighter. The face design and set back is exactly the same as the 14" wheels I took off just 2" larger diameter. Brightens the look of the car and balances the contrast of the tires and wheel wells with the rest of the car. Last time I checked Superperformance was selling the same wheel package (includes center caps and decals) for around 1880.00 including shipping and duties. DJ | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 518 Registered: 2-2003 |
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/302515.html?1061014653 Here is a link to a discussion on tire upgrades that also includes the changes on my own car when transitioning from the 14" to the 16" wheels. Another perk with going to the 16" rims is I have the 14" rims available to mount my 'Mud and Snow' studded tires on for those icy mornings this upcoming winter! DJ | ||
| Paul Hill (348paul)
Member Username: 348paul Post Number: 369 Registered: 12-2002 |
I can do a F-chat special on the bolts at �6.50 each. Paul | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1674 Registered: 5-2001 |
Paul, they bolt right on....I bought a set of QV wheels from a guy on the Ferrarilist, had them refinished and man, what an upgrade. Looked great, and the handling was incredible! | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 384 Registered: 2-2003 |
DJ Looks terrific. How about a couple of words on those good lookin' tires - brand, size, response, ride, etc? thanks rt | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
Member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 393 Registered: 7-2002 |
It really does bring the car into the 20th century...just snapped this of my 78...sh#t what a difference...I feel like I'm lost in the era of disco. DJ...was this a simple bolt on? No suspension mods?  | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1671 Registered: 5-2001 |
But DJ, we don't car about the tires...we are looking at the RIMS. :-) | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1273 Registered: 12-2001 |
Your car does look nice, I like it in yellow. In case I didnt mention it Im running 328 rims. | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 517 Registered: 2-2003 |
Nothing wrong with the camera, just lighting conditions. I overexposed the shot to kill off the contrast so the tires wouldn't disappear in the fender wells. As far as offsets go I am going to have to wait until Sunday to look at OEM 308 and OEM 328 rims to see if I can detect the offset................ Newman, which ones exactly do you have on your car at this time? Thanks, DJ | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1668 Registered: 5-2001 |
Looks great DJ! What is up with your camera though? All the outdoor shots are overexposed... We can do a "close analysis" at Bruno's on Sunday and compare to someone's QV..., either way, no big deal to me. | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1271 Registered: 12-2001 |
How much for the bolts Paul? I should get a free set for pushing your inventory, hehehe. The average person wouldnt know or care, my wife doesnt even understand but if you are happy, then thats all that matters. I wasnt. Even from the side, you might as well have taken the picture of the front twice because they look the same. Thats the problem, they shouldnt. | ||
| Paul Hill (348paul)
Member Username: 348paul Post Number: 368 Registered: 12-2002 |
Just for reference - If anyone wants new bolts for their new wheels we have plenty of stock of the 308/328 variants of wheel bolts. If there is enough interest I can always arrange a group buy to save on the shipping charges. (and a f-chat discount as well!) http://www.hill-engineering.co.uk/ferrari-wheelbolts.htm Paul | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 515 Registered: 2-2003 |
See the full shot at the bottom of this post Side view, straight on, rear wheel.  Side view, straight on, front wheel.  So what do we have here?. What is the consensus? Are we really just comparing apples to oranges? My own feelings are, I am now able to fit my car with 21st century rubber that performs at or above original factory intent and looks better for a better price. The fact that the wheels are 16" are a bonus and help bring this 25 year old car into the new century. The price didn't hurt either. Being one of the people that lived the farthest away I paid the maximum for shipping and still got away for under 1500.00 USD. Do I think the average person knows or cares?, probably not. All they see is a nicely appointed car with modern tires on it. So what was the question again? DJ  | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1662 Registered: 5-2001 |
you guys can find BretM's profile under the "Member List", he's on the first page. DJ, just post a side view of the right side of your car, straight on, no angles or anything...thanks man. | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 513 Registered: 2-2003 |
Thanks for the information. I think pictures would further the comparison though. Maybe later today? DJ | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1267 Registered: 12-2001 |
What they did is they left the spokes at the same setback as the fronts but added material to the hub mount to bring the rim back out to the proper offset. The side affect of this is the wheel bolt holes had to be made much deeper so the studs would reach the threads. You will notice the bolts are recessed in further than the fronts, the originals are not like that. I chose the 328 rims for the cost, the factory QV rims were $2K USD per set used and not perfect condition. I paid $2300CDN for 4 new 328 rims including taxes. | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 512 Registered: 2-2003 |
Maybe somebody else can provide a few shots better illustrating what you guys are talking about. I won't be able to get to my car for another 9 hours. Newman, I am still curious if the additional 1 inch offset on the OEM rear wheels is shown on the outboard side or is split between the inboard and out board. Would the 1/2" split REALLY be noticeable? DJ | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 511 Registered: 2-2003 |
Dave, when you ask for a profile shot are you asking for an 'edge on shot' similar to the 'offset' shot I took of the rear wheel or are you talking about the profile of the tire and wheel combinations and how they fill the wheel well? I can tell you right now that the new wheel and tire combo does NOT extend outwards (in relation to the body) as far as the 14" tires did. The sidewalls of the 14" tires bulged outwards and helped fill the void. DJ | ||
| Dave White (Dwhite)
New member Username: Dwhite Post Number: 45 Registered: 5-2003 |
Paul, why did you not buy original QV rims for your car? They are out there. I think the repros look great, but I'm partial as I have them on mine. The 328 wheels(non ABS - I never liked the look of those ABS wheels)look excellent as well. | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1266 Registered: 12-2001 |
I couldnt find Brets profile last night, maybe post his pic if you can. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1659 Registered: 5-2001 |
Newman, I am clicking back and forth between BretM's profile pic and DJ's photo and am starting to see what you are talking about. Still subtle to my eye, but discernable. DJ, can you post a clearer profile/side view? Passenger side preferably. :-) | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1265 Registered: 12-2001 |
BretM's profile had and may still have a good rear angle close up of the rear of the car giving a clear view of the rim depth. I know its hard to explain without having the rim in front of you but the difference to me was just too obvious and until you actually see them side by side, you wont really think its a big deal. Thats how I felt when buying them the first time but I soon realized they didnt cut it. The two main reasons for the 328 rims is they are factory and the cost. I dont have a good shot of the rims close up but like I said, the rears look wider and deeper. The repops dont, so to me they look like TRX rims instead or even an over grown 14". | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1656 Registered: 5-2001 |
I know Newman owns and has compared the original and repro wheels, but to my eye, the differences are so subtle as to be of no consequence. I have an old picture of the oem QV rims I had on my 308 and the depth looks the same. I have no picture of the center portion, so I cannot comment on that. While the 328 rim is nice on the 308, I would still prefer the repro on a 308, but this is REALLY just a personal taste issue, so I cannot pass judgement that one is RIGHT and the other is WRONG. The 328 wheels work for Newman, great. But they may not for someone else. He makes a good arguement, and I think he does a good service to let people know of the differences. I just would still like to see them both side by side. My old photo is just at an angle from the back, so is not very useful...but as I said, the depth seems the same at least on the outer lip/rim. I WILL say that the repro center caps stand out as wrong from any distance, no arguement there. :-) | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1263 Registered: 12-2001 |
The 328 rim doesnt have the raised center hub on the rim like the QV. The 328 rim fits the hub with the dust cap in place but doesnt allow enough room for the black center cap lip to fit into the rim, the grease cap would make the center stick out from the rim and not fully seat but like I said, its a minor problem that Im getting around. The factory QV rim is much deeper than the repop. The lip that surrounds the 5 spokes is flush with the inner most rim step rather than a half inch raised lip like the fronts. | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 509 Registered: 2-2003 |
Okay, so here are some shots of both the front and rear wheels on my 308 as well as the front hub and dust cap. It's obvious the extra inch in wheel width is on the inboard side of the rear rim which, at the time, didn't raise any eyebrows as it IS a common practice this day and age. So is the extra inch on the outboard edge of the OEM rim or is the extra inch split, 1/2" outboard and 1/2" inboard? DAVE? Thoughts? As far as the dust cap quandry goes, are we even talking abouit the same style wheel? Check out the clearance on mine. The 14" wheels I have also have the same clearance.!? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.................. DJ | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 508 Registered: 2-2003 |
  Rear Wheel offset (below) The additional inch of width is to the inboard side of the rim only.  Front dustcap to wheel hub clearance (below)   | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1262 Registered: 12-2001 |
Try to get an angle shot of the rear rim so you can see the depth of the rears are no different than the fronts unlike the original QV or 328 rims. I think it just looks meaner with a wider, deeper rear rim. | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 507 Registered: 2-2003 |
When I get home tonight I'll shoot a couple of shots. DJ | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1649 Registered: 5-2001 |
DJ, How about a side profile shot so we can compare your car to Newman's? | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1261 Registered: 12-2001 |
The only issue I had was the depth of the front hub grease caps preventing installation of the yellow horse centers. I removed this grease cap for the time being but Im modifying a grease cap to be more shallow than the original. Everything else worked fine including the wheel bolt length. The grease caps are bigger than they have to be so replacing them or reshaping them fixes this. Its a minor hurdle if you ask me and they look great. | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 625 Registered: 1-2003 |
Newman- I'm curious too if you had to do anything to get your wheels to mount on properly. When you get a chance could you let us know? | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 502 Registered: 2-2003 |
I opted for the 16" reproduction wheels (KN Alloy) through the group buy. These are the wheels with the same 'face' design as my original 14" rims as opposed to the 'newer' face as shown in Jeffs post. If I am not mistaken these are the same wheels offered through Superperformance UK. They are a simple aluminum alloy and weigh more than the stock/OEM rims but I imagine the new lower profile tires I am using weigh LESS than the OEM Michelin 'clown' tires that came off of my car so my guess is the overall unsprung weight of the new rims and tires is close to the same as OEM but with better steering response and handling. Even if they did weigh more it wouldn't be by much and for the type of street driving I am doing I don't really notice. Feels like a totally different car! DJ | ||
| Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
Member Username: Trinacria Post Number: 393 Registered: 8-2002 |
Newman, Please settle this for everyone....did you have to do anything to the wheels or did they fit right on from the factory? The ONLY reason I cancelled my wheel order from Ferrari UK last year and got the repro's was because no one on this board could confirm that they would fit with out modification to the center of the wheel to fit the hub. Thanks. PS - Your wheels look GREAT. | ||
| Jeff Howe (Ferrari_uk)
Member Username: Ferrari_uk Post Number: 508 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hi. Here ya go... #125757 $240 #125925 $264 + shipping + duty... http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/301015.html?1060387888   | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1259 Registered: 12-2001 |
Yes my 308 is grigio on red. Like Jay said, you can find them here but you dont have to be on the ferrari owners site to buy. I wasnt at the time. I bought the rims from Mark Langfield of Ferrari UK and the service was outstanding. The total came to $1900cdn delivered but then I paid duty and tax to Canada. Thats cheaper than the repop route and believe me they are much better and they are factory rims. The 328 rims are the 4th set of rims Ive had on my car in 2 years and these are staying. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1634 Registered: 5-2001 |
Peter, Foster Wheel Service in Seattle does a terrific job of refinishing wheels. They do the repairs for many of the dealers around here. Around $125 per wheel or so... | ||
| Jay Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member Username: Jay Post Number: 1478 Registered: 10-2001 |
Peter, if you register with the Ferrari owners site you can access all the spare parts through Ferrari UK. They are also a sponsor of Ferrarichat, so wait for the ad in the top corner and click away! www.owners.ferrari.com | ||
| Peter Barbin (Sophia)
New member Username: Sophia Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2003 |
Newman, thanks for the information. I'll consider it. What is the phone#/address/e-address for Ferrari UK? The 328 wheels look great on your sled! Is the color original? My GTS is Grigio as well. | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1258 Registered: 12-2001 |
Buy factory rims not repops. I had a set and resold them after I couldnt live with the incorrect look (meaning they arent even correct QV rims). I bought a set of 328 rims from ferrari UK for less than the repop QV rims you are considering. Lets face it, the QV rims arent correct for your car and neither are 328 rims so why not buy at least a factory rim you can resell without taking a bath. Check out my profile to see how they look on a 308. I have no regrets with these but had many with the repops, besides, they weigh a ton. | ||
| Peter Barbin (Sophia)
New member Username: Sophia Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2003 |
My 14' Chromodora's are destined for the basement for later refurb. I purchased my car in Feb., missing out on the group buy. Any others out there for another round? 'Lyle Tanner' & 'Dennis McCann' both offer wheels for about $1850 a set. Ferrari of Seattle sells repro. 16's for $625ea. What I can't determine is where the wheels are produced. Tanner's apparently have '...UK...' cast in on the back sides, and I believe Dennis McCann's are produced in the UK as well. Ferrari of Seattle believes that the casting of their repro. offerings, as well as the other distributors' wheels, is performed in South Africa, then shipped to the UK, Help! I'm ready to buy! I'm just looking for the best quality/finish for a 16" repro. wheel. Of course a good source recommendation for $ value would be helpful, yet I don't think $1850 is out of line for a set. |