| Author | Message | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 297 Registered: 11-2002 |
By the way, I'd take the 575M too. I'm just throwing my two cents because I think a lot of what is going on here is unfair to the marque. I prefer Ferraris as well. BUT, my criteria for what makes a good car is admittedly different from others. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 296 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lamborghini tried their hand in F1 after the man who started the company was no longer an owner. It was people trying to capitalize on the marque. This is ridiculous. I can't believe someone is bringing F1 into the mix now. Lamborghinis are great road cars, period. If anything, since Lamborghini is now owned by VW, the Murcielago has more in common with the endurance racers from Le Mans than it does with tractors. By the way they finished 1-2-3(Bentley)-4(I'm not sure). Not bad for winning the most prestigious endurance race. Also, they won the series too. This ridiculousness can go on forever. Ernesto, get a Murcielago, drive it for a while. Keep it for the weekend or something. Look at everything from unbiased eyes and I'm pretty sure you'll respect the car. Don't let emotions on a thread started by one Lambo owner to dissuade you from maybe owning a great machine in the future. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 614 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ferrari has one thing that Allan will probably never comprehend; class. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 432 Registered: 6-2002 |
Who is suggesting that Lambos are faster than F1 cars? Ferrari would be nothing if it did not have Fiats backing, Lambo never had that kind of financial support. With Audis support, things will change. Again, do any of us here race F1? I didnt think so. James, regardless whether or not the Enzo is 660,000 or 1 million, it is still far more expensive than any of these cars. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4679 Registered: 12-2000 |
A very passionate Lambo owner I do believe with many car mag subscriptions. Ahh, the other shoulder. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1434 Registered: 2-2001 |
LOL Pat... The Murcielago is faster than a 575M. So what? Which one is outselling the other? Which one do more people want? I'd take a 575M over a Murcielago any day of the week... Ernesto | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4678 Registered: 12-2000 |
"Every tractor Mr Lambo made also have a little Murci DNA too." Vice versa too! - LOL. | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 459 Registered: 2-2002 |
Rob who is that on her shoulder??  | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4677 Registered: 12-2000 |
Taek-Ho Kwon, my 2.5 years experience on this board qualifies my opinion. | ||
| Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
Junior Member Username: Fuiszt Post Number: 58 Registered: 10-2002 |
Put this years F1 car on a track with a Murci and see how many times the Lambo gets lapped...Not fair? Tough. All Ferraris have a little bit of Ferrari magic-even my lowly 330 shares some DNA with everyone's favorite 250 GTO. I like Lambos too, but please don't suggest they are faster than the red car Mr Schumacher drives. Every tractor Mr Lambo made also have a little Murci DNA too. All of the top speed etc. stuff is BS anyway-there's no place left on the earth to drive cars like that on the road. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 295 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rob, I have to disagree with the Lambo owners comment. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 294 Registered: 11-2002 |
Glickenhaus' cars are in a class of their own  . It's almost ridiculous to compare them to a Murcielago or any lamborghini for that matter. Maybe a Miura Jota simply because of pure unattainability. Wasn't there an application process for the Enzo and the F50? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4676 Registered: 12-2000 |
Lambo owners will always have to be on the offensive (both meanings of the word!), that's a crutch that Ferrari owners don't have. However, because of our passion we do "get our panties in a wad". | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4675 Registered: 12-2000 |
LOL Pat, who cares about Allan's Lambo, check out his wife...  | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 293 Registered: 11-2002 |
In my opinion Ferraris and Lamborghinis are a matter of preference. There is no clear overall winner. One is going to beat the other in certain categories. If Allan decides to set that gauge at outright performance, then numbers don't lie. I think we should respect that. If you feel he is not presenting his point in the best way, then comment on that, not on Lamborghini Owners or the cars or their provenance. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1150 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan My MK-IV went and can still go 223. I drive it on the street. An Enzo didn't cost $1,000,000. It cost 660K. A person on this board bought one for that and others of us if we had wanted to could have as well. Some of us do know how Enzo's and Pagnai's drive and perform. All of my cars have or will be driven on the street and so far I've not come accross a Mercedes that have given My MK-IV, Lola, or P4 much of a run. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1433 Registered: 2-2001 |
A performance car company not interested in winning? Bullcrap. Lambo tried their hand in F1, Cart, sports cars, etc and failed miserably. Ernesto PS. I didnt say 40% of Ferrari owners take their car to the track, I said 40% of the people here (at this site) track their cars. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 431 Registered: 6-2002 |
Mike you understand my point exactly. Pretty sad that in order to compare performance, Ferrari people dont feel that comparing 2 companys similar vehicles, ie.. Murci vs 575M is sufficient, but need to get into cars costing 4X the amount of already extremely expensive automobiles against competing companys cars. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 292 Registered: 11-2002 |
I do agree with Allan in that there is no way 40% of Ferrari owners take their cars to the track. Also, the .1% he was talking was about the Enzo/F50 experience. I think that's a legitimate comment. Tony consider one thing before you go on. Ferrari was a man who wanted to build race cars and built street cars to fund his dream. Lamborghini wanted to build road cars. His interests in racing were nil. Don't compare apples to oranges. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4674 Registered: 12-2000 |
I hope Ferrari doesn't play the HP war. There will always be something faster. Might as well win the overall and end game, which Ferrari does well at. | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 458 Registered: 2-2002 |
Allan, Didn't mean to insult you so please accept my apologies but you do have a pretty wife all the same | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1432 Registered: 2-2001 |
Mike, nobody here is saying that Vipers or Z06s do not perform well. They are awesome performers, especially for the price. Ernesto | ||
| Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
Junior Member Username: Fuiszt Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2002 |
When Ferrari tries to build the fastest cars in the world it does-but they're called formula 1 cars. Dodge and MB at least have some history-Lambo has none. Ferrari has nothing to prove-they blow away all competitors when they want to Who reads Motor Trend anyway? The only trend I get out of the mag is the amazing coincidence linking the number of car adds in the mag to the favorable car review. | ||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
Junior Member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 161 Registered: 12-2002 |
I passed on my Viper SRT and I am going to be getting a used 550 from a friend next month (hopefully). But man I gotta tell you the "well it will never be a Ferrari" snobbery is ridiculous. Do folks think a 1980 328 or whatever is "a Ferrari" just like a brand new 575M and they are somehow in the same league in terms of performance, gawk-factor or class? Gimme a break! The snobbery goes both ways, folks. I remember when I bought my first Corvette, and this guy I worked with sneered and say "well I really am more into european luxury cars... I think BMW makes a far better automobile". A few weeks later I see the guy leaving in his 1972 BMW POS with rust everywhere. But in HIS mind he could tell everyone "oh yes, I drive a BMW" when in reality most would never even want to own such an old car which is why it was so cheap. Same with any brand - Ferraris included. I feel the same way i did about that BMW guy when I see folks say "but it will never be a Ferrari". Having said that, cars are not just a function of dollars vs acceleration, or dollars vs. styling. When it comes right down to it, money is really the only factor right? There probably aren't too many well heeled folks driving Honda Civics because they genuinely feel it's a "better" car - just like I doubt many are driving 1972 BMW's because they feel they are better than brand new ones. So we each buy what we can afford and what makes us happy. But it's pretty damn ironic to see the folks with the "entry level" (we know what that term means, right?) cars of a marque diss other (more expensive) cars as being "not in the same league". The Viper certainly deserves respect for it's performance - as does the Z06. I am sure I will love my 550, even though it's a fair bit slower than the SRT it will be taking the place of. I hope I can afford to drop >1/4 mill a Murcielago next summer - we shall see. But I totally see Allan's point too... I mean the 575 ain't a "cheap" car. It's supposed to be the successor of the TR's which were wild looking and wild performing. TR's were running low 12's when Vettes were running high 13's. Now the styling on the V12's has been seriously toned down, and the performance isn't keeping up to some much cheaper cars either. I hope Ferrari will wow everyone with a 550-600hp 575M replacement that runs at least on par (but hopefully quicker than) the Murcielago. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 430 Registered: 6-2002 |
Not everyone spends there time cleaning their Bburago either. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1431 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yes, I would say higher than 40%. Not everybody who buys exotics spends their time racing Mustangs on the street like you, Allan. LOL Ernesto | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 429 Registered: 6-2002 |
40%? I doubt that very highly. Maybe to watch. Bburago all clean? | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1430 Registered: 2-2001 |
I think much more than .1% of the people here have been to the track. I would venture to say that at least 40% of the Ferrari owners here go to track days regularly. Ernesto | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 428 Registered: 6-2002 |
Taek, if you notice, Pat insulted me first, hence the comment. What i dont understand, is that you think im bashing ferrari, when i clearly stated the fact as to how powerful the new Viper is. A car that i do not, or wish to own. James, in my eyes the F50 nor the Enzo are anything to be proud of. Extremely low production, extremely high price. For the price of an F50, id have a Murci and an F40. The Enzo, is an awesome car, but for the price, its not even in most peoples realm. So i dont even consider it when thinking of exotic cars. An Enzo will set you back somewhere around 1,000,000, with a production run of 399 units, 99.9% of us will never see one. We have yet to see how well a Enzo really performs also, lets not speculate, be very weary of the Porsche Carrera Gt, and the Pagani. On that note, 99.9% of us will never see a race track with our cars, so who cares what someone did in a race, with a car completely unlike any of ours? The only time your car will ever see any kind of performance is on the street, so be careful when you see a Mercedes! | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 288 Registered: 11-2002 |
I think it is clear that different people expect different things from their cars. If you like it, get it. Otherwise, don't. | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 712 Registered: 2-2002 |
They used to be close - that's for sure.... There is something annoying about having access to 'Ferrari-level-performance' for around 1/3 of the price..... Remember - I agree with you Ernesto but the market for buyers has changed... Ferrari ownership is no longer a 'priviledge' dish out by Enzo himself - we as buyers expect MORE from the product.... more comfort, more useability, more grip, 'more' handling, more PEFORMANCE. | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 120 Registered: 1-2003 |
My 2002 ZO6 is NOT faster than my 360, doesn't drive like it or look like it but I still enjoy it but not nearly as much. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 285 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ernesto, wasn't the F40 at the time the fastest production car? The 288GTO as well? Not sure about my history... | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1429 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ferraris have never been the fastest cars on the road. Ernesto | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
New member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 46 Registered: 2-2003 |
I am also with ernesto I don't own a Ferrari, but I have wanted one all my life and when I am able to I will buy one. I don't care if a Z06, viper, lambo, or anything else for that matter is faster. I want a Ferrari because it has a history the lambo will never have, quality and exoticness(is that even a word) that the Z06 will never have, and they are more user friendly then a viper from what i've heard. Speed,braking,skidpad, have nothing to do with it. These cars true differences are so close that you will hardly notice the tic extra it takes to get to 60. Also Ferrari's were and aren't great 0-60 cars. Erik | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 710 Registered: 2-2002 |
Although I agree that performance does NOT define a Ferrari - not even close actually - I think Alan may have a point - no flames please I believe that the 575M is THE best production car around at the moment BUT - ARE MODERN *PRODUCTION* FERRARIS REALLY FAST ENOUGH??? There is sooo much high performance machinery out there now that Ferraris (and for that matter Lamborghinis) can be swallowed whole by modified Corvettes... Don't compare Enzos/F50s to Murcies - you're talking almost DOUBLE the price and those Ferraris are not production cars. I don't like it - Ferrari didn't acutally need to build a 360 Stradale - I want them to build a 575M Stradale - like Wayne Ausbrooks said - in honour of the 275GTB/C etc - the glorious, LIGHTWEIGHT VISCERAL front-engined Ferrari V12 beasts of the 1960's..... Ferraris OUGHT to be *undisputedly* (new word ) the fastest cars on the road - they're not....... | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 119 Registered: 1-2003 |
With Ernesto's permission I will add "SOME" to his quote. I stand corrected!! I still agree with 95% of his statement. I have never understood the inferiority complex SOME Lambo owners have to come into this site to spout magazine articles and other crap to try to prove how much better Lambos are. Nobody here cares, and you never see Ferrari owners going to Lambo sites to try to prove to them which car is better." | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 280 Registered: 11-2002 |
David, let's take it a little easy with the generalizations. Not all Lambo owners have this attitude towards car enthusiasm. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1148 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan You're right. The Lambo's, as you were the first to point out, entered but they didn't show up. Lambo's record of never having won any major race remains intact. You state that Ferrari lost sight of what an exotic car should be after the TR and the F40 and don't respond when someone mentions the F50 or the Enzo except to mention it's price. You state F1 has nothing to do with street Ferrari's the Enzo clearly does. All of these's are faster than a 250 GTO. Some of us buy things for different reasons than you do... | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 118 Registered: 1-2003 |
Ernesto WELL SAID I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE!!! "WHO CARES! People dont buy Ferraris to have the fastest car on the planet. That is what your little brain doesn't seem to understand, Allan. I have never understood the inferiority complex Lambo owners have to come into this site to spout magazine articles and other crap to try to prove how much better Lambos are. Nobody here cares, and you never see Ferrari owners going to Lambo sites to try to prove to them which car is better." | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1428 Registered: 2-2001 |
People dont buy exotic cars to race Mustangs on the street like you Allan, nor do they buy exotic cars to constantly quote magazine articles on online forums. Lambos are not the best performing or best looking exotic cars, so whats you point? Ferraris look a lot better than Lambos, and perform well enough for a street car. Lambos are nice niche cars that attract a lot of attention, but they will never offer as good a driving experience or be as big as Ferrari - especially in Italy. Ernesto | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 117 Registered: 1-2003 |
"So, if the Ferrari, loses in performance, loses in visuals," I have never met a person who would in their right mind say that any Ferrari is not classic art and visual exciting!! That why it takes 1/2 hour everytime you pull into Shell to gas up and people practically run off the road looking at you. My wife likes to drive behind me to see people's reaction. By the way your 355 is visually exciting to the world! | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 279 Registered: 11-2002 |
Allan, you really like to rub in the fact that people have wanted cars, don't you? Not exactly the nicest thing in the world to do. Especially when you got some on that list too. | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 453 Registered: 2-2002 |
Allan I really don't need the lottery to buy the F-cars I want although I wouldn't turn it down. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 427 Registered: 6-2002 |
1998 Diablo Sv. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 426 Registered: 6-2002 |
Mark, when your in Arizona, let me know. Also, btw, the 512M is all of the things you state, while the newer Ferraris have lost these traits. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 278 Registered: 11-2002 |
What year Diablo do you have Allan? | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 425 Registered: 6-2002 |
Pat, dont forget im also not waiting to win the Lottery to get my wanted cars! | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 85 Registered: 4-2002 |
Rob: Well said. Allan: You must really love controversy!! My previous offer to compare performance between my F512M and your Diablo at the track is still open!! Ferraris are about more than just raw data. It is the feel, the sound, the whole package that makes the cars from Maranello so intoxicating. If you don't agree most of us couldn't care less! | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 451 Registered: 2-2002 |
The only thing Allan has going for him is that he has a pretty wife | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 424 Registered: 6-2002 |
Lambos didnt even race at Sebring. Im, sorry, i guess i was mistaken as to why people buy exotic cars. See i was always thinking it was for the performance aspect, or the visual aspect. So, if the Ferrari, loses in performance, loses in visuals, what good is it? I guess, just for saying that Michael Schumacker drives one that wins F1, which by the way has nothing to do with a street Ferrari. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Junior Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 149 Registered: 12-2002 |
Of course it matters. Allen is instigating. If the Ferrari won you know you'd all be talking about it. If you want to stop Allen don't give him attention I predict ~150 posts and 8 hours aggregate lost work time. Luke. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4672 Registered: 12-2000 |
Allan, I'm with Ernesto on this one. I was just getting sick of hearing this from you all the time for the past year, nothing else. Do Ferrari owners have more class or do we not spew stats for other reasons? | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1427 Registered: 2-2001 |
Jim, beating a Lambo in a professional race is not really a challenge, now is it? Ernesto | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1147 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan Ever drive one of those? I have. They don't IMHO compare to an Enzo. I must admit they did beat the Lambo's at Sebring. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 423 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ernesto, get a grip. Go polish you Bburago! | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 500 Registered: 9-2002 |
Interesting article. I would still take the 575 thank you very much. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 422 Registered: 6-2002 |
Enzo=Give me a Pagani Zonda C12S | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1426 Registered: 2-2001 |
WHO CARES! People dont buy Ferraris to have the fastest car on the planet. That is what your little brain doesn't seem to understand, Allan. I have never understood the inferiority complex Lambo owners have to come into this site to spout magazine articles and other crap to try to prove how much better Lambos are. Nobody here cares, and you never see Ferrari owners going to Lambo sites to try to prove to them which car is better. Ernesto | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 421 Registered: 6-2002 |
Rob, when i referred to the Ferrari as sadly losing, i meant it. Do you not see i own a Ferrari? Which car do you think id rather see win, a Ferrari or Mercedes? Give me a break. As for driving an Enzo, no i have not, but also the Enzo was not in this test, if it was, im sure it would have won, it should, considering it costs as much as all the cars in the test put together. There was a car thrown into the test, a Mosler Raptor, which beat everyone. I wonder if this will become a record post. | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 116 Registered: 1-2003 |
Allan- I hate to disagree with you but I feel like the F-50 and Enzo are trully world class exotic cars!! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1146 Registered: 10-2002 |
Enzo=No Excuse | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 420 Registered: 6-2002 |
Oh boy, here come the excuses. It is a road test comparison. Not only 0-60 or 1/4 mile times, but handling and braking. Not only did the Ferrari get smoked, but the Murci lost to the Viper. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1143 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan Ever drive an Enzo? I have. Perhaps you should before you continue to spout bullshi t. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4669 Registered: 12-2000 |
Allan, you're a prick, you know it's more than a post with your statements like... "Sadly, the Ferrari was not even close, in any area" and "I don't remember the Ferraris numbers, but I believe it was beaten by a de-restricted Sl55." Well, thanks for sharing the article and we'll review it, but you obviously are trying to get people to take your bait "panties in a wad". You knew it would happen, that's why you checked back on the post so quick, you do it all the time and I have no respect for your actions and thinly veiled intentions. You're a prick when it comes to constantly throwing jabs on this board as a Lamborghini enthusiast. Everything else you're ok in my books. Get over it! You know my site www.lamborghinichat.com and you know JRV's site. Spend more time over there please. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 419 Registered: 6-2002 |
I disagree, the ferrari is not even close. Ferrari needs to get its ass in gear. They were great cars up until the Testarossa and F40, and then, they lost sight of what an exotic car should be. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 518 Registered: 1-2003 |
Allan, I had a '23 Ford T-bucket body on a tube chasis with a 454 Chevy big block that turned the quarter in 8.96 with a speed of 168 mph. I only had about 35K-40K invested in that car. Oh, and it only had a single 4-barrel carburetor (1100 cfm). Now I know this is not a street car but let's see your Murci and Viper match that. If 0-60 mph and quarter times are your only criteria, there are many cars out there that will blow their doors off. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1142 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan Some of us read and care what Motor Trend says some of us don't... | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 418 Registered: 6-2002 |
It wasnt only about speed, it was about speed, handling and braking. And what am i instigating? It a magazine article, and it has Ferrari content. Just because the content was not favourable makes it instigating? Please, get a grip. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1425 Registered: 2-2001 |
The Ferrari is still the best of them all. Ernesto Magazine racing sure is fun, though! | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 417 Registered: 6-2002 |
Its just a post guys, dont get your panties in a bunch. If nobody cared, the magazine would not have written a story about it. If the Ferrari had come in first, you better believe it would be discussed here. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4668 Registered: 12-2000 |
Umm, so? I could get a faster car than any of those for $10k. I think Ferrari should always try to make improvements with the car, but being the fastest production car is not the entire picture. A Lambo is still a Lambo, a Viper is still a Viper, and a Ferrari is still a Ferrari. Enough said. I wish you would hang out more on JRV's site Allan and stop instigating •••• over here all the time. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1140 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan Compared to Eduardo's Enzo, my MK-IV, or my friends 956 (Remember the Nuringbring times? That puppy ran close to a 6 min lap there) they're all slow. Who Cares? Best Jim | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 372 Registered: 9-2002 |
Here we go again!! | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 416 Registered: 6-2002 |
Well, i know that magazines arent a source for all out performance numbers, but Motor Trend usually does a pretty good job, and they achieved some of the best numbers ive seen for all the cars in a U.S. magazine. The Murci was the fastest, followed by the Viper, in my opinion, the Viper is an awesome performance bargain and its numbers were very close to the Murci, infact, too close. Sadly, the Ferrari was not even close, in any area. Heres a few numbers, i dont have the magazine with me, but heres what i remember: Murci 0-60= 3.5 sec , Viper = 3.9 1/4 11.72@123 11.77@123 Ferrari 12.2@118 Standing mile, both the Murci and Viper tied @ 30.5 seconds, but the Murci was traveling 2mph faster. I dont remember the Ferrraris numbers, but i believe it was beaten by a de-restricted Sl55. The Viper also posted the best skidpad and braking numbers. Top speed was track limited, the Murci won, running 193mph, while the Viper and Ferrari tied at 182. I believe the Sl ran 187. |