| Author | Message | ||
| Fernando Valenzuela (Fernando)
New member Username: Fernando Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2003 |
A porsche at 17? Yep.....I would have killed myself in a couple of weeks. But, this kid may be more responsible than I was. Who am I to judge? Fernando | ||
| Branko Medenica (Branko)
Junior Member Username: Branko Post Number: 55 Registered: 3-2003 |
A 17 year old, with raging hormones, is given a rocket. That makes no sense. It goes back to my old saying, INTELLIGENCE IS NO MATCH FOR STUPIDITY | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 522 Registered: 9-2002 |
One thing you have to remember of the 911, and a major reason I still would support getting a 96-98 BMW 7 series over it, is that the tail gets happy in overly sharp turning. The car being a 88 wouldnt have a granny computer keeping everything in check (at least I dont think so) It also might not have any airbags, unlike the E38; and in a collision will most likely be the lighter car, also unlike the E38. Thats why I said before and will say again, nothig wrong with getting you kid an expensive car, but atleast make it a massive tank of a car with a massivley over compensating computer traction contol. If you still want to get a sports car; get one later; or just get a E31  | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 120 Registered: 9-2002 |
First of all, your average Z28 or mustang gt has way more power than that 911 and I think it depends on the kid. I would no have a problem buying a car or whatever else for a deserving kid. That is why you gain wealth, to help your kids and hopefully instill on them the values to help their kids.I never understood the people who had plenty of money and would not help their kids with tuition for school, a car, or help with a down payment on a house. Thats what family is all about and saying that doing it all yourself makes you a better person and you appreciate things more is crap. All that does is make you bitter and jelous of the families that actually help each other.Who wants to be an old man with a pile of money while your kids could use help with whatever they might need. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3853 Registered: 8-2002 |
i'm right here, Kevin; just wanted to wait a bit for some more bullsh!t to file in before i gave my opinion... If i had a Porsche (or any other car for that matter) when i was 17, i'm 100% sure i would've killed myself and possibly other people, in the process; not to exclude an obscene amount of property damage, either, i'm sure... That said, each 17 year old individual is just that: an individual... i don't think there's anything wrong with giving the keys to a Porsche to a 17 year old person as long as s/he is responsible... Judging someone by their age is just as bad as judging someone by their skin color; Ken, i see nothing wrong with it, as long as the 17 year old is responsible... i hope he enjoys it and, by your DEScription, it sounds like he will... Graduating someone with something merely because of their age (or skin color or sex or...) is moronic (i won't say it's 'retarded', 'cause people with down syndrome aren't that stupid); i know plenty of 'older' folks who shouldn't be allowed to drive at all... Doing this is just as idiotic as the notion that voting rights should be based on educational degrees... Saying he should save and buy his own car is a different story... i bought my first car for $47... My second car was free... So was my third... i paid $2050 for my fourth and present car; i'm just as thankful for each one of them... Just because someone buys something FOR you, doesn't automatically constitute a lower level of appreciation for it; let me put it to you this way... If i go out and buy a Ferrari; she's goin' nowhere close to home; i'm gonna beat on that car for hours on end 'til i can barely keep my eyes open... If someone gives me a Ferrari as a gift, i'll be scared sh!tless to drive it, fearing that if ANYTHING happens to it, the person who gave it to me might think that i didn't appreciate it enough and just treated it like garbage (meanwhile, the car SHOULD be driven as if i bought it, myself)... That's my angle on the whole thing, i think some of you need to lighten up... Stop making so many goddamn generalizations and applying so many ridiculous stereotypes; then you wonder why today's youth seem so 'angry' - they just can't get a fair shake... | ||
| Ken Ghiringhelli (Kenny94945)
Junior Member Username: Kenny94945 Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2002 |
Office pool says he loops it within 500 miles. Oddsmaker says he has a collision with an innocent party within six months. I know I would! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2917 Registered: 6-2001 |
same goes for a kid on a jap bike. One of my friends had a ninja ZX600R that he sold after 2 weeks. It was blindingly fast by car standards (slow for a bike though). He sold it because he knew he would get himself killed on it. he said whenever there was open road ahead he always opened it up, and he couldnt help it. I often drive my friend's camaro and sometimes i cant help myself from flooring it. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 825 Registered: 10-2001 |
The professional driving lessons is a must. The 911 , esp the older ones like the 3.2 doesnt drive like today's sports cars . That backbag feel can be pretty scary on a wet surface ..and very dangerous when you arent aware. Anyway , he will have a great time ! 3.2 are amzing cars and almost bullet proof ! | ||
| Lee Hamner (Tennlee)
Junior Member Username: Tennlee Post Number: 52 Registered: 2-2002 |
I plan to buy my sons cars when they are 16. They'll have to do "things" to earn them. Mainly, I want good grades. Playing american football will help. Their cars will be boring reliable japanese sedans, that I probably pull a spark plug wire on to slow them down. I remember being a teenager... I can't let them drive my cars! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2915 Registered: 6-2001 |
This is a pretty bad idea. At least they are buying him a slow porsche. The fact is he doesnt have enough experience. I thought i was gods gift to the road when i started driving. I thought i was a good, safe driver. I was wrong. I had some close calls, some my fault, some not. Nothing can replace driving experience. Also, a 87 porsche, even though its not very fast, isnt a forgiving car to drive. Putting a 17yr old in it is a good form of population control. I remember when my friend was 17, he bought himself a 1999 camaro SS, brand new (finishes paying it off this summer). Wen he first got it he was so careful. After 3 months we sped, did burnouts, etc. After like 7 tickets and 2 minor accidents (that wouldnt have happened in a non-high performance car) later, he slowed down. Now hes had the car for 4 years and hes almost 21, hes a much better driver now. The car is now modified, and he speeds again, but does so more responsibly. However, his insrance company just jacked his rates up because of tickets he got 2 yrs ago (11 tickets to be exact) even though he only has 2pts on his license. Now he drives the '74 nova that his mom bought new as her first car, only now it has new paint, street/strip tranny and a 400hp crate motor, and other mods. Make the kid wait till hes older before giving him a sportscar. I dont know how this kid is, but i wouldnt want a car that attracts attention at my age, or one that small. I routinely pack my car with 5+ people. I used to think it woudbe cool to have a coupe at my age, but now i wouldnt want anything tht couldnt realistically seat 4. Kenny, it the kid shouldnt be motivated to do well because he just wants a nice car. ••••, if i wanted a nice car now, i would start selling drugs. Also kenny, most kids i know that go to good colleges drive shitboxes. The car you drive doesnt neccisarily reflect who you are, your education, or your career. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 521 Registered: 9-2002 |
Can you appreciate a car if you didn't buy it yourself? Maybe you can? | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4412 Registered: 8-2002 |
What do you call a 17 year old with a p-car?......a organ doner. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 531 Registered: 1-2002 |
If I had a high performance car available when I was 17, I would be dead. Thankfully my father was wise to get me a 61 Chevy wagon with 6 cyl. and 3 speed on the column. I got into enough trouble as it is. Dave | ||
| Jay (Arnage)
New member Username: Arnage Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2003 |
Personally, I've always believed in the notion that the kid should only drive a car that he or she can actually afford. That was the way it was for me. I am extremely grateful that my parents were supportive of me, and gave me a car--albeit a very cheap one. The '88 taurus that I drove around 5 years back in high school was actually my mom's old company-car, so I didn't need to pay for it, though I easily could have with summer job savings. It's beat-up as hell and looks really nasty, but it got its job done. I think that it's important to grow up with a relatively modest lifestyle. If your parents throw a Porsche into your lap when you're 17, is there any type of guarantee that after you're done with schooling you can afford one? Given this day and age, there's absolutely no guarantee. I think the feel-good factor from buying a car with your own money totally eclipses the experience of being given one by your parents. Also, it seems as if you may be setting the kid up for disappointment if he can't maintain the quality of life you've given him earlier. I know I would be pretty upset if I drove a Porsche through high school and then couldn't keep driving newer ones later in life. of course, that's just how I feel. I suppose I can't say that if i had a choice of driving a Porsche or a Taurus in high school, i wouldn't have taken the Porsche..but I had to live with reality, and we all will have to someday. Why not start a bit sooner?.. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 617 Registered: 4-2002 |
I think that the first car should have around 100 HP. If the driver can keep the car out of an accident for 1 year and without tickets, then 200 HP car is in order. If they can keep that car out of accidents/tickets for another year, then they are responsible enough for whatever HP they can afford themselves. | ||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
Junior Member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 79 Registered: 4-2002 |
I say that if the parents can afford it, and the kid has proven himself to be responsible, there's no reason why they shouldn't buy him the car. To be honest, lot's of the arguments against sound more like jealousy and/or personal bias than anything else. I'm not buying the whole "more tempting to drive fast in the Porsche" argument either. Seems like everyone complains all day long on all the forums about how much they can't stand "ricers" trying to egg them into street races. Well what do you think a ricer is??? A "ricer" is the kid who's parents got him the economical CRX in need of some restoration and encouraged him to work on it himself. It's pretty close to impossible to prevent a kid from driving fast. Really the smartest move is to teach the kid to "take it to the track" early rather than putting them in a Model T. | ||
| les brun (Labcars)
Junior Member Username: Labcars Post Number: 88 Registered: 1-2003 |
Dino2400 has it right. Will Rodgers once said "good judgement comes from experience, which comes from bad judgement." I've got a 16yo who just got his permit. Greatest kid there ever was (don't argue, it's true). I've also got the means to let him drive anyhting he wants. My own take on this is that I will buy him a wonderful, reliable, 5 - 8 year old Honda Accord, and I will yank out the radio/stereo. After six months of ticket/accident free driving, I will then spring for up to $10k (including trade value of the Accord) for any car he chooses. Anything above $10k is on his account (that's what summer jobs are for), and I'll also spring for up to $1k in audio equipment. He will, of course, immediately go to advanced driving school to learn car control, immediately upon receiving a full license. Just my approach. Whatever works for each of us. | ||
| James Adams (Madmaxx)
Junior Member Username: Madmaxx Post Number: 100 Registered: 11-2002 |
It all depends if the kid can handle the car. Paying for all maint/insurance/gas is a sobering experience. I hate to see these little girls running around smashing up their mercedes present (and they will). They have no reguard for the car. Also, some kids will fall victim to the "I have a porsche... wanna race" mentality. May not be fast, but he may drive it like it is. I built my first motor at 9, car at 13, started driving at 15. By age 16 I had a collection of 8 cars at my disposal. My daily driver at age 17 layed down over 650RWHP and would clock off a good mid 10 second run on a good day. I've owned everything from 69 1/2 440+6bbl Road Runners to 'Cudas, Camaros, Chevelles, Olds 442s (still one of the best) to Grand Nationals. I'm now into Vipers with an interest in Ferrari... all at the tender age of 22 LOL! All of my cars have been paid for by me, with the exception of my first. It was a volvo, which I gave back to my parents in favor of a 69 camaro (and thus started the craze). I think if the kid is responsible, and knows what he is doing.. go for it. But make him pay. James | ||
| rich (Dino2400)
Junior Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 215 Registered: 10-2001 |
A few observations: One reason some of us parents buy cars for our kids: we are sick to death of driving them around everywhere! Ugh. I've got 12 more years to play taxi driver for my youngest. 17 year olds have poor judgement. They can be trained to be very good drivers technically, and have very fast reflexes. But they still have poor judgement, and it isn't really their fault. Driving fast is just one of the things their body is telling them to do to impress the chicks. And yes, it usually works with a certain sort of girl. And at 17, that kind of girl is often the kind you want, ha! Having a kid restore his own car is a great idea to attempt to keep him from driving such that he may wreck it. But probably 90% of the kids would still do it anyway. They can't help it. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Junior Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 174 Registered: 12-2002 |
No, Dario, not you. I'm sure you're a real sweetie-pie. Say 'hi' to GW at the next fund raiser for me, Luke. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 913 Registered: 12-2002 |
Im 17 and I almost got a Porsche 911 or 944 as well...for the same reasons as your friend's son. I dont think it means he is spoiled or anything like that...shouldnt be frowned on. I wish I had gotten the Porsche but instead we opted on another car. However I feel that, like most of you said, most teenagers dont deserve or shouldnt be allowed to handle cars like that. It sounds like in this case the teen was responsible and mature enough to take care of the car and not go hot rodding around the town dangerously and recklessly. Ive had friends who wrapped themselves around trees because they had cars they couldnt handle so it is a touchy subject... | ||
| Mark (Markg)
Member Username: Markg Post Number: 469 Registered: 2-2001 |
The guy who bought my '69 911S did so to give to his daughter for her 16th birthday. | ||
| 360 Killer ) (Dario)
New member Username: Dario Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2002 |
"let the little prick buy his own damn car" Wow Lucas, you have some deep issues that need to be resolved, I don't know what happened to you when you were a kid but it must have been bad ... your comments have such an educated and well thought out point, good show! Dario Age - 22 2002 Porsche 996TT 2003 Range Rover Both bought by my parents! I love them and skipped the drugs, graduated college, and run a full time business? I'm such a little prick! | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 520 Registered: 9-2002 |
To play devils advocate, I know of a lot of teenage drivers who should be locked away for how they drive, let alone lose there license. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 519 Registered: 9-2002 |
Lucas, some of us like the republican ideals...at least most of them | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Junior Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 62 Registered: 2-2003 |
Frank Lloyd Wright had a quote like that almost exactly like that in his biography that went "If you take care of the luxuries the necessities will take care of themselves." Erik | ||
| joe saldana (Ironjoe)
Junior Member Username: Ironjoe Post Number: 158 Registered: 12-2001 |
I think it all depends on yourself, and the personal time you put into YOUR CHILDREN as YOU RAISE them. My son drove a 5 spd at 9, daughter drove my 5spd 911 at 11 (private open lot of course) (she got up to 65 and loved it).We were just taking turns driving her 48 M.g. at a local boat club marina with a mile long private drive and shes 13 now shows excellent responsibility.Shes allready counting on a 911 (yellow convertible at 16) no problem at all since ive owned over 12 of them in all hp modes they are more dependable than most common cars.If your in the know parts are reasonable.My son YES he will get the f-car at 16,thats after I yank the engine n tranny and a few more choice r n r parts n tell him SURE just put it back together under my watchful eye and its yours....I truly believe kids are alot more responsible and informed now,than back in my days.P.S. my firt car 67 mustang $275.00 at 15,at 17 73 Z-28 split bumper 350 Lt-1 370 hp all worked for,learned about,n bled n sweat over by myself ....So I say if this guy sees alot of himself in his kid then HELL YEAH GET HIM A 9-er,JOIN P.C.A. SUSCRIBE TO EXCELLENCE,HIT UP PELICAN PARTS.COM ON THE WEB...STUDY HARD...AND BY ALL MEANS LET DAD TAKE IT OUT FOR A RIP NOW N THEN...... | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Junior Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 171 Registered: 12-2002 |
Oh sure, Kenny, but they'll live their lives out of touch with reality, be annoying at dinner parties, and vote republican till they die. Luke. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 518 Registered: 9-2002 |
Tony, in theroy the kid will be motivaed to work harder since he/she can see right in front of them why they have to work. Now if the kid screws off 99% of the time, does not study, why the hell would anyone give them a car in the first place? And if you did give him a car, who says you cant take it away until they 'shape up' | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 842 Registered: 8-2001 |
Lucas, all of my friends who drive nice cars now are going to good/great colleges and will no question be able to afford them in the future. Someone posted something on here before (don't remember who), but it said something like, "once you get a luxury it becomes a necessity". If you get a Porsche Carrera as your first car, you can not down grade to a lower car in the future, you have to work to get a better one. | ||
| Kevin (Jammy)
Junior Member Username: Jammy Post Number: 110 Registered: 3-2002 |
Predictably, I don't think this is a good idea either. You don't learn from accidents per se, you learn from doing something stupid and getting away with it. Best recipe for learning is something with low limits- skinny tires and just enough power to break them loose. Early 911s have a bad, and I think deserved, reputation for punishing mistakes. Even the supposedly highly engineered 996 has some odd handling traits, and you want to try one of these mothers in snow- that'll get a sweat on and no mistake. You can debate whether daddy should buy the guy a car, but a 911 could prove a terminal mistake. If he needs a speed hit, put him in a 2 stroke racing kart; I learnt more about car control this way than any other. | ||
| Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
Junior Member Username: Fuiszt Post Number: 89 Registered: 10-2002 |
The other issue with buying your kids big ticket cars (not this burned out 911-buy it for him!) is some of these kids will never be able to buy themselves anything like it later on-they'll screw around in school, etc. I say only buy your kid a ferrari if you plan to leave them 20 million later on. Who wants to peak at 17? | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Junior Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 201 Registered: 2-2003 |
Omar, Oh, I got it That way if strangers hear you talking, instead of thinking that you have a lot of cars, they'll just think you have a lot of WOMEN!! Beautiful! | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Junior Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 61 Registered: 2-2003 |
Guys still being in high school I can tell you if that kid has a 911 everyone and their brother will tell him to drive fast. But, even if he didn't have a 911 people will tell him to drive fast. I have friends who drive 20mph over the speed limit. They are stupid for doing so, but I would rather be going 20mph over the speed limit in a 911 then in a honda or old buick for that matter. The only teenagers that drive slow are the ones that have to front the bill if something goes wrong. I have a good friend that just bought a WRX sure the car is fast 0-60 in less then 6 sec, but he never drives fast. He worked all last here and during the summer and this year to save up 11g's and his parents paid the other 13 i think it was. As a result of him buying the car it is always clean and he takes better care of that then anyone I know even my friend with the 95 corvette who beats the **** out of it cause his parents bought it. Really I am just saying if the kid had to buy part of it he will take care of it. I just hope he can handle that car in the rain. Erik | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 517 Registered: 9-2002 |
I use names so that way I can talk about them with my family/friends with getting other people to well you understand. Its not that I went out one day and bought all the cars, I having slowly getting them over the years...I am not 17 anymore, but have been driving a E38 since I was 16...and I only got my 328 recently | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Junior Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 170 Registered: 12-2002 |
Of course... as proud as I am of my disposition, work ethic, and well earned 'success', which I attribute much of to my parents forcing me to earn my possessions and respect them, I still think it would've been nice to squeeze some girlie into the back of my 911 back in H.S... So there you have it, Rob, perhaps some jealousy exists, but I'd still rather have a son I myself would have respected at his age then be a Grandfather with a son who barley has his GED. Luke. | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Junior Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 200 Registered: 2-2003 |
Omar, I just don't believe in spoiling your children.....no matter how much one makes....but that's nothing more than MHO. Also, if you've really never sped over 95 congrats...but you have to realize that you would then fall into the 1% catagory that Martin refers to below. I think it's great that you were so responsible at such a young age, although admirable, you'd have to admit you were certainly in the minority...... p.s. How do you come up with the names that you give to all your cars....are they your "children" for now? | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 516 Registered: 9-2002 |
If you have 25k to spend, get an old E38 7 series...respectable in speed, ridiculous in safety. Kenny we all plan that way, but remember its in the hands of the Good Lord, only He can make it a reality. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 841 Registered: 8-2001 |
Whats up with you guys and the Camry's? Do you never want your son to get a girl !!! At least get him something that looks nice. | ||
| mark nyman (Markelizabeth)
New member Username: Markelizabeth Post Number: 21 Registered: 9-2002 |
I personally think it is a bad idea. First the car is not very safe. It may be well made but it won't be receiving any high scores in crash tests especially considering all of the SUV out there. Safety technology has advanced significantly in the past 15 years. Second, the car is not cheaper than a new ford when you factor in insurance, repairs etc. Third he will tear it up. I did when I was 18 (mustang 5.0) and still do even at age 36. The driving school is a good idea and i plan on doing the same for my daughter but it doesn't guarantee that he/she won't get into trouble. I plan on getting my daughter when she is old enought to drive a safe, reliable, nice but slow car. Something like a Camry. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 840 Registered: 8-2001 |
I'm with Omar here. I plan on being successful enough that my kids can get any car they pick (with in reason). Trust is the big issue, if I couldn't trust my kid behind the wheel of a car then why get him anything at all? | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Junior Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 199 Registered: 2-2003 |
Lucas, I also misread your comments.......I thought you were leaning the other way......couldn't tell by your writing which way the sarcasm went. sorry! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4744 Registered: 12-2000 |
LOL, some things we teach our kids well and others we don't.  I hope my daughter doesn't meet guys like me and I hope my kids don't drive like me. No accidents in my life, but no reason to treat every corner as an apex. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 515 Registered: 9-2002 |
oh yea, and I am throwing the OFF TOPIC flag here. and Phil, again I never raced my Ferrari or even sped over 95 miles per hour. Don't tell me a 328 is slower than a 88 911...is it? | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Junior Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 198 Registered: 2-2003 |
What I'm saying Kenny is that you're right about the Subaru...it's faster and he could a kid could kill himself in anything....however, the Porsche will bring with it something that the Subaru won't, neither will the Accord, nor would a Camry.....all these cars are capable of going 120mph...however, the Porsche will beg for it, and people will beg/push/chide/pressure him into doing it.....we all know this when we drive our F Cars.......the "stigma" is there....how we react to it is based solely on our individual personalities and maturity level. I just think a 17 year old isn't capable of handling it.....nothing personal....it's life. But maybe he'll wrap it around a tree, won't hurt himself or anyone else, he'll walk away holding his head and it'll be a lesson he'll never forget..... | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 514 Registered: 9-2002 |
Again, it depends on the child. Some people can handle that type of car safely despite being young. I never raced off a light in one of my manual cars...why waste the clutch? Or even autos. If I can afford it when I am a father I am also getting my son a BMW and later a Ferrari for college..no question, if I can afford it, and I can trust him behind the wheel. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Junior Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 169 Registered: 12-2002 |
You misread my comments Rob, I don't think either parents should buy their kids ANY car. I know lots of different people who had lots of different up bringings and the ones that were more often 'given' and not expected to 'earn' are often much less well adjusted. Do what you will, but I will never buy my kids cars. Never. And I guarantee you my kids will be cooler and more successful.* Luke. Except, perhaps, at getting laid. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1210 Registered: 10-2002 |
Kenny In those days love was free. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 838 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kevin, I don't have a son (that I know of ). | ||
| Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member Username: Challenge Post Number: 151 Registered: 9-2002 |
Kenny, what's your son's name? :-) | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 837 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dr., then you're promoting Lucas's drugs and prostition! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1209 Registered: 10-2002 |
If he doesn't want Grandkids a 911 should be fine. | ||
| Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
Junior Member Username: Drstranglove Post Number: 189 Registered: 4-2003 |
I think he has lost his mind. I plan to buy my children a 60's VW bus. DrS | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 836 Registered: 8-2001 |
I see where you guys are coming from and I agree on many points but I don't think it is irresponsible of his dad to get him the car nor is it unsafe for him to have it. If he's going to drive like a jerk, he'll find out very quickly that a Porsche is a very expensive car to own and he would probably get rid of it. A WRX is less expensive then this car and is probably faster, I don't see anyone complaining that they are too fast for kids to drive. A kid driving a Porsche will turn heads, but put it this way; if you could get a gift Porsche when you were 17, would you turn it down? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4738 Registered: 12-2000 |
Lucas must have a story or just extreme jealousy, your comments have hint of much anger. Please tell more. Also, I believe cars are relative, if your parents are dirt poor or filthy rich, doesn't mean both have to give their kid a $1,000 jap car as the first. | ||
| Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member Username: Challenge Post Number: 149 Registered: 9-2002 |
Where's DES on this one? | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Junior Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 197 Registered: 2-2003 |
Well Lucas's point was certainly well thought out. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4737 Registered: 12-2000 |
Our families rule was parents would pay all of first and only half of second. Of course my first car only cost my parents $900. Another cool idea is buy a car that needs restoring. Had a friend that his dad got him a beat up 69 Camaro before he turned of age to drive, but about two years after he had his drivers license and had been driving a cheap jap car he had a beautiful Camaro, learned much about cars, and spent many quality hours with his father. I'll do something like this with my daughter or son with like a 308 or Mondial. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Junior Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 168 Registered: 12-2002 |
He'll probably also try drugs and sleep with a woman or two he'll later wish he hadn�t. Better find the boy a nice smack shootin� prostitute for a night of VD contraction and heroin naps while you�re at it. That'll kill two birds with one stone. Gimme a break, Luke. | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Junior Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 196 Registered: 2-2003 |
I disagree Kenny, all though your right about whatever car he is in, at that age he's gonna go fast, I think driving a Porsche, the temptation will be there to do it more often, more aggressivly, and to do it in an effort to impress others. I have a Camry, I've set my cruise at 80 when driving...however, I don't feel the "need" or temptation to "blow someone off the line" in the Camry, and I don't have idiots driving beside, trying to bully me into a race....can't say the same thing about when I drive the Ferrari.......in a Porsche it would be like that. Only a 17 year old cocky young man...(nothing personal to him) we all were at one time, that temptation/danger will be multiplied by 100. | ||
| Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member Username: Challenge Post Number: 148 Registered: 9-2002 |
Ken, because the limits of the 911 are far higher than the $900 1.3L Civic I used to have. I would have tested the limits of whatever car I owned at the time. It was what guys did. Oh, and I wrecked it twice and a little VW GTi once "at speed!" I am very, very lucky. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 834 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kevin, if he's going to speed, he's going to do it in any car. I know I'd rather be the passenger of a Porsche going 90 then a Honda Civic. If it's the same price then why not? | ||
| Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member Username: Challenge Post Number: 147 Registered: 9-2002 |
Brian - ditto that. I had a pride of ownership in that little brown 1980 Civic that was my first car over anything since (no F-car yet). Ken - it seems to me that you are trying to rationalize this. Perhaps you have a teenage son? My opinion is that NO 17-yr-old American male is going to excerise restraint in a 911 when their pal is in the passenger seat after the Friday night party. I know I didn't. Hell, I was squeaking 120mph out of anything with 4 wheels. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2251 Registered: 9-2001 |
Kenny, your children only live once too. A Porsche may put an end to that one time sooner than a Honda would. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3513 Registered: 9-2001 |
in the end it is up to each parent to do what they what, but I agree with lucas here - have the kid work to earn the money to buy their own car - they will learn the value of a dollar. Too many parents these days with the best intentions want to give their kids everything and while many can handle it, some kids learn to think they are entitled to everything on a silver plate | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 532 Registered: 11-2001 |
Honda gets my vote. Trailing throttle oversteer in a 17 year old kid who has 1 year of driving experience is an equation for a disaster. I can care less if he kills himself, but I care a whole lot more if he kills someone I love, like my wife and kids. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 833 Registered: 8-2001 |
Oh yeah, no matter what he says, he is going to drive the hell out of the car- he should probably get a less showy car for a month until he gets rid of the "new driver syndrome". | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Junior Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 167 Registered: 12-2002 |
Good God, how about letting let the little prick buy his own damn car so he can learn the value of a dollar. There's no law that says that that middle class and above parents have to buy their 16 year old kids cars when they become of age. Besides, nothing teaches respect for money and cars better than driving around campus in an '83 Datsun Sentra Wagon, trust me... Luke. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 513 Registered: 9-2002 |
Kenny, I like your style. Phil, there are a few teenage members here that got a Ferrari from there parents. | ||
| Brian Puskas (Inter911)
New member Username: Inter911 Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2003 |
My first car a beetle. I saved and paid for it myself. Would I have wanted a Porsche? Of course. But, there is pride of ownership when you get something on your own and that can't be replaced. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 831 Registered: 8-2001 |
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with getting your kid a Ferrari Enzo. Considering they know how to drive and you have the money, who cares? You only live once, if you have the chance, why not enjoy everything you can. I drive a little 3.0L Z3 BMW to school everyday without any problems and even though I get negative looks/comments (which I'm sure most if not all F-car owners get at times), who cares, I'm having fun and no one is getting hurt. There is absolutely no reason for the kid not to get the Porsche other then it will probably be a b!tch to service and keep in good condition. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4522 Registered: 5-2001 |
It also has enough power to get him out of trouble should he need it... what argument is that? if he needs extra power he is driving too fast or way past his ability while driving in the streets. Since most kids learn how to drive by means of accidents this car will get lots of dings and dents and a fender bender most likely severe is in the works. On the other hand I must say there are some kids that are much more mature to handle thse cars and I would not hesitate letting them have a car like a Porsche even at 17, but 99% don't so your frined sson may be the 1% exception. ...and trust me he will be tearing up the streets, no matter what you say. Sh*t we are tearing up the streets every now and then! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2249 Registered: 9-2001 |
17 years old is too young to drive alone IMHO. I made the mistake of buying my 16 year old daughter a Porsche 924S as her first car. I too sent her to driving school at Road Atlanta. Between wrecks and maintenance it was soon replaced with a Mercury Capri and then a Honda Civic. My advice, buy him a Honda . | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Junior Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 195 Registered: 2-2003 |
Sorry, even though I think there is nothing "inherently wrong" about a 17 year old getting a porsche...as someone fairly clost to this age, I'm against parents buying kids cars......How about the dad saying...whatever you save, I'll match...if you save 5 grand I'll give ya five, save 1 I'll give ya one....25k is a lot of money for a car.......especially for a 17 year old....17 year olds wreck cars...period.....sorry, that's why insurance is so high...I was in an accident as a teen, most of us were, even if it wasn't our fault. By a car that's reliable for 10g's......let him work on it, take pride in it and learn to drive...not performance driving at some school, but just learning to drive....then get a porsche.....I just think it's silly for any 17 year old to have a Porsche as a learning car....plus at that age, everything he learns at the school is gonna be shown off to his friends on Friday night......we all know this, we've all been 17 year old males. | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 340 Registered: 2-2002 |
A friend of mine is buying his 17 year old son a 1987 Porsche 3.2 Carrera. The car is about $25K and in very good condition. While some people may think this is a not a prudent move, his reasoning appears to be good in theory. First, the car is very safe. If his son gets into an accident the car is well made and should hold up well (no air bags though). It also has enough power to get him out of trouble should he need it. Second, the car is cheaper than a new Ford or similiar car. Why pay $28K for a new Honda Accord when you can get the 911? Third, his son is rather mature and will be paying for all repairs himself. He is a car nut and this should help cut down on the abuse the car may receive. Instead of tearing up the neighborhood, he will be home waxing and polishing the car. He does take pride with the things he owns. Fourth, he will be taking a driving course to learn how the car handles. This should prevent him from getting into trouble (like lifting off the throttle during a turn). While we have all bashed parents who buy their children a new Ferrari or Lambo for being irresponsible, I think that my friend does not fall into this category. What do you think? Is buying his 17 year son an older Porsche the wrong thing to do? Ken |