| Author | Message | ||
| Paul Hill (348paul)
Junior Member Username: 348paul Post Number: 248 Registered: 12-2002 |
Paul B I have not personally looked into it, I will have a look when I next see my friends 360. Paul | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Junior Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 148 Registered: 1-2003 |
Paul Hill: can anything be made for a 360 with a F1 shifter. Martin: thanks for the info on your garage. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4694 Registered: 5-2001 |
Heck, my Ferraris sit in the garage with the keys in the ignition and sometimes the door open at night. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4693 Registered: 5-2001 |
Also I believe that there are other factors making our car insurance more affordable than a Porsche. 1. the age of Ferrari drivers is higher than Porsche 2. the likelihood you will let your teenage son drive your Ferrari is not that great. 3. the likelihood you have your Ferrari in an enclosed garage is 99%. 4. the miles driver per year are less. 5. miles drivenare usually pleasure miles not to and from work. Of course you have vandalism and all the other possibilities but overall the risk on a Ferrari is less. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4692 Registered: 5-2001 |
I don't see me getting into my car every morning and fidling with that thing. If you want to steal my car just go right ahead. As for them not being stolen often, well those are the statistics. Of course you get one every now and then but still Ferraris are not that prune like a Toyota Camry or a Honda Accord. | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 536 Registered: 8-2002 |
I just found out that these are already available from www.UltimatePedals.com for $59 right now including free shipping. I deal with Rob Baylor there on a regular basis since he supports our FCA region actively. Here's pics he sent me, since he doesn't have them up on his website yet. Sure beats the $129 that ItalianCarParts charges for these, and this one has a better (more theft resistant) lock, too. The bottom pic is shown installed in Rob's car, not mine.   | ||
| Paul Hill (348paul)
Junior Member Username: 348paul Post Number: 244 Registered: 12-2002 |
Fabs, 360 has a curved face on the front, would make it a tad more difficult but nothing to worry about � slightly bigger as well. I would consider doing them for the 360 if there was enough interest. I will keep everyone posted what happens with these. Paul | ||
| FABS (Caruso360)
New member Username: Caruso360 Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2003 |
Any info on gate shift lock for 360 six speed? | ||
| Paul Hill (348paul)
Junior Member Username: 348paul Post Number: 240 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hmmmm !! http://www.ussalesservice.com/newproducts/autoguard2000_lg.htm | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 738 Registered: 5-2001 |
Oh and Bart, there have been some pretty messed up Ferraris on Ebay that were "theft recoveries"; such as 355's that were taken for a "joy ride"...there was little left of the car after. I think they were jumping curbs with the car.... :-( | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 737 Registered: 5-2001 |
Bart, You are not stupid, but maybe your insurance agent is...there are other losses than just theft. How about an uninsured driver t-boning you in an intersection? Or someone maliciously keying the paint? All could end up costing tens of thousands to repair.... | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1303 Registered: 4-2002 |
But Dave, if it's flashing while I'm driving, I can pretend it's a Valentine 1 | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Junior Member Username: The_bart Post Number: 61 Registered: 1-2003 |
I guess I am stupid. My insurance agent tells me one reason my insurance is so low on my 550 is it is not stolen. He tells me there are no chow shops for Ferari nor can my beast be shipped to another country as a Porshce can be. The only thief would be a joy ridder. Therefore, I am not interested in any lock but the normal one in my car. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 736 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hans, Don't forget to buy a "normally closed" relay too. Connect it to a wire that is energized when the ignition is "on", that way it will not be flashing while you are driving the car. | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 531 Registered: 8-2002 |
Here's why I like the gadget: I go to Ferrari club events where there might be several Ferraris parked in an area. Sure, if someone wants to steal one, they can do it no matter what you put on there. However, if there's several 308's side by side, why not go for the one that's less trouble (no alarm light blinking, no shift gate vault, no "The Club" on the steering wheel, or whatever). That's NOT going to be my car. That would be my logic... | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1296 Registered: 4-2002 |
LOL! Great idea! I'm going to install a flashing LED. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 730 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hans, I have never heard of "Saturday night joy riders" stealing Ferraris. In general, they are usually stolen by pros who are either going to strip it for parts, or take it out of the country...But I understand your point, and I have seen "sh*tbox" Honda Accords (similar to my own) that have had all number of systems defeated in order to steal it to include cutting the steering wheel (to defeat the Club), and ripping apart the dash to take the stereo....The gate is only held on by two screws that are threaded into some metal studs held into a fibreglass console......It may have some "visual" deterrent....but little else. I would think a simple flashing led purchased at Radio Shack for $10 (yes they really sell them) would be much more effective. I have one in my Honda :-) | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1295 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dave: yeah, you won't deter a professional. But lots of cars are stolen by Saturday night joyriders. I get 4-5 cars a year stolen from work that are later found abandoned. Usually teenagers. I think this gadget would slow down that type of theft. | ||
| Paul Hill (348paul)
Junior Member Username: 348paul Post Number: 239 Registered: 12-2002 |
Thanks for the feedback so far! Mike, Thanks for posting the pictures � much appreciated. David, I was thinking on using a pin tumbler lock on my design as it is almost impossible to use a slide hammer on them. I did post a picture on the other thread if any one wants to see it. As we all know most security devices are only a deterrent � if someone wants a car that badly they will go to any means to steal it- no matter what is on it! I suppose that if a thief saw 2 identical Ferraris, one with and one without a gate Lock, I am sure he would pick the one without it as it would be one less thing to contend with. As for the cost?? � This is a tricky one.  I could probably make these for �20 a go but they would be rubbish � a cheap lock that could be slide hammered out is probably only �2. A decent pin tumbler lock is just over �10. So there�s �10 before we have even started! Materials, pins, rubber sheet, and were probably up to �15 and we haven�t cut a piece of metal yet! So out of curiosity, Who would prefer Lock A or Lock B ?? Lock A � Price �20 Aluminium- no finish Cheap lock (6 key combination (or screwdriver!!)) Looks a bit tacky? (Not from my place it wont � but you know what I mean!!!) Low level of Engineered design Lock B � Price �45 Aluminium Drill resistant Pin tumbler Lock with 10,000 key combination (Slide hammer resistant) Brush Satin finished � maybe anodised Maybe a logo, badge, engraved or something similar Engineered to a higher standard � i.e. make it a bit more bullet proof! I await the results with baited breath!! I will look into this deeper and come up with a few prototypes for people to look at. Thanks all again for the comments, pictures and help Paul | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 662 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oops!!... I must have misread this thread... I don't have a shift gate lockout... but instead, a shifting lockout (locks out Reverse and 1st gear during racing)... It is merely an aluminum "lock" that is attached to the shift gate and folds down for track use. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 725 Registered: 5-2001 |
I'm sorry, but that is not going to slow down a thief one bit. That lock can be VERY easily punched out with a slide hammer. In fact, easier still, would be to just stick a simple pry bar under that thing and pull out the gate, lock and all.... I would stick with a professionally installed alarm, and use common sense in where you park. But if that contraption makes you feel better.... Paul, if you want to know whether people will buy them, yes, they will definitely sell. | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 530 Registered: 8-2002 |
The actual link at ItalianCarParts.com is http://www.italiancarparts.com/accessories/shiftknobs_pedalpads_gatevault.html In my opinion, $129 is OUTRAGEOUS for a shift gate lock/vault. They should be $50 or less. It's probably $5-$8 in materials plus the cost of the lock and cutting/machining, which is very simple. Assembly is just use a press to jam the round alignment pins into the two holes, lay the neoprene sheet down, and finally 45 seconds to put the lock assembly together with the two "tabs" in the right configuration. Here are some pics:   In the bottom picture, you can see the "relief work" I did to give it a little extra angle clearance... that's what lets it fit properly with the shift lever in 5th gear, as mentioned in my earlier post. | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 660 Registered: 10-2002 |
Paul, I have one on my 348 CH... I can take some photos this weekend if you like and send them your way. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1289 Registered: 4-2002 |
Cost estimate? | ||
| stephen r chong (Ethans_dad)
Member Username: Ethans_dad Post Number: 261 Registered: 3-2002 |
Count me in for one if your going to take this project on Paul. I think a embossed/etched Cavallino would look great on the lock! Steve | ||
| Paul Hill (348paul)
Junior Member Username: 348paul Post Number: 238 Registered: 12-2002 |
Mike, Thanks for the offer. I have a rough of what I thought of doing already but a picture of the front and rear of it would be most welcomed I think that a lacquer finish is great for when things are new, but after a while they do suffer - just look at a 355 knob after a few years of sweaty hand syndrome!! I think a straight grained finish on the front face would be nice - Even enough room for an "optional" Ferrari decal! - Any ideas?? - Are the �Crossed flags� ones sold anywhere? Paul | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 529 Registered: 8-2002 |
I love mine, but I got it as a "work swap" from Charles over at ItalianCarParts.com -- otherwise what he wants to charge is quite high (but high profit margin) for what it is. I got it when he first started having them made. I would be glad to take close-up photos and measurements of mine if you'd like. I did a slight mod to mine so it would fit and work properly in reverse *or* 5th gear, since his only fit well in reverse. Contact me through the link at www.fca-se.org I'd like another one... mine has gotten quite scratched up over the years. It's made of aluminum which has held up very well, but Charles had them LACQUER coated (I guess so they'd never oxidize) and that's what's gotten rather ragged looking. It would be better in just satin aluminum. I feel much more secure with the shift gate on the car when I happen to have to leave it overnight at a hotel (in addition to the car alarm) and would much rather use that than "The Club" steering lockbar. | ||
| Paul Hill (348paul)
Junior Member Username: 348paul Post Number: 237 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hi all, Shift Gate Lock This subject has come up on the Euro Area Discussion Board. http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/174013/245693.html I just need to know what peoples feeling are towards the possibility of us making these. Obviously there would be a "group buy discount" for all the f-chat members who may possibly want one. As I have said in the other thread, I have thought about doing these before, There is something similar on one of the Ferrari parts sites (can not remember exactly who it is - anyone??) All comments welcomed!! Paul |