| Author | Message | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 643 Registered: 11-2002 |
Good one TC! | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 761 Registered: 4-2002 |
"if I turn out to be wrong (which I'm not) and have wasted my life believing as a Christian what have I lost ?" 14% of you life; But there is no evidence that you are right. "On the other hand, if I'm correct and you turn out to be wrong what will you lose ? Can we say eternity ?" There is no evidence that this question carries any merit. However, just lookup Pascal's wager, there is a long an continuing diatribe from both sides. However, I like what Voltaire said on his death bed: Priest: "Voltaire, are you ready to renounce Satan?" Voltaire: "I'm not in any position to be making any new enimies at this time!" | ||
| TC (Houston) (Tec)
Junior Member Username: Tec Post Number: 106 Registered: 2-2002 |
Charles, You don't really have to hedge with many other religions because they don't put you in eternal h*ll if you don't buy in to exactly what they're selling. | ||
| Ron Shirley (Easy_rider)
Member Username: Easy_rider Post Number: 486 Registered: 12-2002 |
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| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2455 Registered: 9-2001 |
Charles, I do have faith in Christ.That's why I qualified my post with the "which I'm not" wrong. But, since the great commission is to attempt to reach others for Christ I thought I would appeal to the CYA side of people. After all, once you accept Christ as your savior you will then understand and not care how your eyes and heart were opened but only be glad that they were so opened. | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 641 Registered: 11-2002 |
I really like this logic Frank "Martin, think about it. For the sake or argument, if I turn out to be wrong (which I'm not) and have wasted my life believing as a Christian what have I lost ? On the other hand, if I'm correct and you turn out to be wrong what will you lose ? Can we say eternity ?" I though religion was suppose to be about faith? What you said is not faith, it's hedging! Andreas and Marc have a point. If you really want to hedge your bets you best get busy, you have a lot of religions to cover! | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1488 Registered: 4-2002 |
Back on topic: I've got the full 90 minutes on TiVo, and will be more than happy to dub it off for anyone not involved with the stupid off topic discussion on religion. But a warning: The TiVo recording is in 'Basic' resolution, and my VCR isn't the best. So your copy may not be of a quality suitable for an OmniMax theatre. | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Junior Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 213 Registered: 8-2002 |
Sorry Frank I guess I worded that wrong. I meant I was never really moved by it. Not that I expected them to do anything for me. Sorry for the confusion. I certainly have nothing against people who are religous. Who knows my mind may change someday. But that's a decision I have to make. I don't want to be recruited and talked into it. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2446 Registered: 9-2001 |
Aaron, ask not what your church can do for you but what you can do for your church. The church was founded by Jesus for the Christian as a vehicle to spread the gospel to the lost throughout the world. The church was not founded to serve the needs of the Christian. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 602 Registered: 4-2002 |
"much of the evil I've seen in this world was in the name of religion." No arguement there! There is of coarse much "religion" that has nothing to do with God. Even Christian religion. The basic fallibility of man ensures this will always be the case. To me, this fact is more proof of the truch in Christianity than in any falsehood. To Marks point.... its not God that twists religion in ways that lead to conflict, its man. Man will find reasons for conflict anywhere. Always has, always will. Religion is an easy scapegoat for non-believers. Hey, just blame it all on those God freaks. | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Junior Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 212 Registered: 8-2002 |
Rob I agree with you there. It seems these days religion causes more problems that it's worth to me. Funny how it causes them to do things that their religion says is wrong. I use to go to church but it never really did anything for me. | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 655 Registered: 9-2001 |
I figured it had to be something like that for this to go off topic like it did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1006 Registered: 3-2002 |
Pay attention, Bob. God was the promoter. | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 654 Registered: 9-2001 |
Which car was God driving? I must have missed that part of the show  | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5278 Registered: 12-2000 |
Nice post Mark. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 505 Registered: 10-2001 |
Andreas you have said the first smart thing I've heard. But if the religiuos "I'm not wrong crowd" ever switched to the smarter... "maybe I should learn them all" stratigy. It would put the war industry out of business...bad for the economy and cable news networks. Better to let the purest of all people that love their gods the most..continue to kill each other over who's magical man in the sky is the real one. Their silly way keeps this world a very intersting place. And proves that If there is a god, he has a real "smart-ass" personality. Frank-"Can we say eternity ?" Andreas-"Frank following the same logic of CYA you should also become a Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim and whatever else is there. Just in case the Christians got it wrong. " | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5277 Registered: 12-2000 |
Frank and Terry, I don't have any problems with what you've said in your last posts. My hypocrisies comment was targeting those that in the name of Christ are doing un-Christian actions. I have found more goodness in the world outside the church. Actually, much of the evil I've seen in this world was in the name of religion. "If God only wanted to be worshiped in one way, why did he create so many different kinds of people?" | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 601 Registered: 4-2002 |
"Go to church every Wednesday and Sunday, read the Bible, memorize the Bible, quote the verses, be a good citizen, please continue as you are making the world a better place for me to live" You can of coarse do all of these things and NOT be a Christian. I think thats one of the fundamentals about Christianity that most non-christians do not get. Its about a belief and faith.... not about actions. To be forgiven and accepted is the critical issue, though it is indeed a shame when a baby Christian does not mature in the faith and reap the rewards of walking with God. Hey, its not like Christ would not have been a Ferrari fan! Christianity brings worldly blessings... The point I guess is that as Christians we are not expected to not sin. Thats the whole point. We are human, we WILL sin. Its inevitable. To be required to live a life without sin is to face the ultimate hopelessness. Christ died and paid for our sins precisly because we cannot live that perfect life. Thus as a Christian we are forgive for all our past, present and future sins. That of coarse does not mean Christians should just go WoooooooooHooooooooo and do whatever they want. The blessings of God come to those who walk with him.... or attempt to. God will bring worldly and heavenly blessing on those who walk with him and honor the Bible's instructions for living. Lord knows I fail in this every day. That does not mean I am not forgiven. It also does not mean I dont care about the failings. Anyhow... off the soapbox. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2445 Registered: 9-2001 |
Great Rob I'm glad to know it. I think it's sad how some Christians think that in order to be a Christian that you can't have any fun. Of course that isn't true. In fact, I have had fun with my Ferraris over the years and used them at church functions to help reach the youth for Christ. Its a great tool to use to show young people that you can be a good Christian , work hard and still enjoy life through things like owning a Ferrari. The "world" seems to try to brainwash people against becoming a Christian by claiming that if you do that you have to give up ALL things that are fun. I have more fun as a Christian that I can stand already. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5276 Registered: 12-2000 |
I'm more Christian than most Christians. Not to get into the black & white as many Christians do, but IMHO I'm more Christian than you Frank. Last time we went around this which user said "Church is a hospital for sinners". I love that quote! Oh, thanks Dave for the backup. I never said I had a problem with Christians or Christianity. How could I? I'm a very Christian person! Some people are just not capable of maturing their faith. Many of those have no reason too either. Go to church every Wednesday and Sunday, read the Bible, memorize the Bible, quote the verses, be a good citizen, please continue as you are making the world a better place for me to live. | ||
| Tom RM (Tgitom)
Junior Member Username: Tgitom Post Number: 130 Registered: 8-2002 |
All i can say is WOW... on listening to that F1 car echo and speed around that track!!.. Sounded incredibal!! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1248 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oops, this going to be a bit OT, but what the heck: Frank following the same logic of CYA you should also become a Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim and whatever else is there. Just in case the Christians got it wrong. :b | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2444 Registered: 9-2001 |
Martin, think about it. For the sake or argument, if I turn out to be wrong (which I'm not) and have wasted my life believing as a Christian what have I lost ? On the other hand, if I'm correct and you turn out to be wrong what will you lose ? Can we say eternity ? Just how hot do you like it ? So, from a pure selfish CYA point of view you should reconsider your postion. Repent and be saved for Jesus loves you. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4788 Registered: 5-2001 |
Frank, why are you, as a Christian forgiven and I , as a Martinist am not? Besides the obvious that I am God and can write my own "excuse"-slip | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4787 Registered: 5-2001 |
HHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Good one Andrew  | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1246 Registered: 10-2002 |
What am I missing here? Does Gordon use a fish license plate on his NASCAR? | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1876 Registered: 1-2002 |
Frank, you may want to re-read Rob's post. He did NOT say he was anti-Christian. He said he was anti-hypocrite: those espousing Christian virtues to anyone who will listen, and then behaving differently (and usually abhorrently). | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2443 Registered: 9-2001 |
Rob, FYI no Christian is perfect, we are just forgiven. But, you may want to sell your 328 as Enzo was one. | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Junior Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 163 Registered: 5-2002 |
Lee, the last F1 race at Indy was last years United States Grand Prix (USGP). It's held in late September, and will be there again this year. The Indy 500 was a few weeks ago (late May I believe), and it is run with Indy cars (series is IRL). The Brickyard 400 is run there, which is Nascar/Winston Cup (Jeff Gordon) in August. Tickets for the USGP are ~100-150 a piece. It is a really fun weekend, maybe you should go this year. I know it was great fun last year, and the F-chat guys got together for dinner one night as well. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5271 Registered: 12-2000 |
I saw the late rerun last night. I enjoyed it. I was thinking that Juan would run the oval though. Probably more interesting both being on the road course though. I kinda like Jeff, except being a hypocritical Christian (one of my pet peeves as everyone knows). Remember when he did that international rally challenge last year. That pro driver rolled it 5-10 times while he was riding shotgun and he got out jumping around with a huge smile on his face. The guy gets paid much money for something he obviously loves. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 600 Registered: 4-2002 |
One thing to remember when looking at lap times and comparing driving skill. Its really not about just ultimate best lap time, but consistency. Several years back I was running my 993 at Road Atlanta during a track weekend. A friend with a near identical car had hired David Murray (Factory Porsche driver) to give driving instruction. One session, David drove his car. I was behind. I followed for 20 laps or so. My best lap time was within .5 second of Davids. I thought "hey, Im FAST! I could be a pro!". Nope. Looking over the lap charts, my best time was only .5 secs off but my worst time was 4.5 seconds off. My lap times were all over the place in a 5 second range. Davids times were ALL within .75 of a second of his best. In other words... over only 20 laps he was 45 seconds or so ahead, close to 1/2 a lap and well out of my sight. During the coarse of a SHORT AMLS type event, I would be lapped several times. Seat time of coarse would help a ton. Jeff Gordon got very little. While this whole thing was a great idea and hugely entertaining.... I really dont think it told much about either drivers true ability to compete in the opposite series. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1244 Registered: 10-2002 |
Martin, I taped it, so in case you missed the reruns as well, let me know. Actually loved the comparison so much, I'm gonna put that tape into my eternal collection. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2441 Registered: 9-2001 |
Martin, I have been to several F1 races in several countries over the years and have yet to pay $500 for tickets. I believe I paid $350 for the entire 3 day weekend at the USGP. I believe a 3 day weekend at a Nascar race is close to that amount. But, I do want to do the Paddock Club deal at a F1 race one day where the tickets are $3600 for the weekend ! | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 636 Registered: 11-2002 |
Sean, if you say so!  | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4784 Registered: 5-2001 |
Frank, I don't think that any NASCAR fan would pay $500 a pop to watch Gordon drive. I can not believe there is one sane person spending $500 to see Schumacher drive. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2440 Registered: 9-2001 |
IMHO if Bernie would convince a top team to hire Gordon as a driver there would be a lot of Nascar F1 converts in the USA which would only help F1 revenues. | ||
| Paul Sloan (Sloan83qv)
Member Username: Sloan83qv Post Number: 575 Registered: 3-2001 |
Martin, We already knew you were but we are glad that you have taken the first step by admitting it pubicly, treatment is now only steps away and soon you will a reformed idiot! I am proud of you! Paul | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4780 Registered: 5-2001 |
Okay I am officially an idiot! I post this here to remind everybody and then I forget myself! Was sitting at lunch with my attorneys when it aired at 1 and was watching the Simpsons when the rebroadcast aired. Fell asleap on the couch for the midnight show! Doh! | ||
| DGS (Dgs)
New member Username: Dgs Post Number: 41 Registered: 5-2003 |
Alas, I didn't _see_ any of it. Road & Track magazine had a one-page article on it in the April 2003 edition. That was a one-off for Gordon, as that venue is head-to-head "super special" dirt stages in rally cars (Peugot, Seat, and Mitsu). Since you mentioned elsewhere that you haven't been getting WRC coverage, fyi: Sebastien Loeb is another Citroen driver in WRC -- and winner of the Monte Carlo this year. And Gordon beat him by three seconds. (The article didn't say what kind of rally cars they were in for that heat.) But beating a WRC driver in rally cars ain't too shabby for a roundy-round driver. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1046 Registered: 11-2002 |
DGS, I was born and lived a good amount of time in the Canary Islands! Didn't know Gordon drove a rally car! Pretty cool. Did you see Valentino Rossi drive? Not bad at all either, and he's a two wheeler. Cheers | ||
| DGS (Dgs)
New member Username: Dgs Post Number: 39 Registered: 5-2003 |
Gordon's performance in an F1 car might have been surprising ... if I hadn't read R&T's (Apr 2003) coverage of the 2002 "Race of Champions" in the Canary Islands, where Gordon did a pretty good job, including beating Sebastian Loeb in a rally car. It is just me, or does anyone else get the impression that Gordon might be shopping around for another venue? That's got to be a tough sell, as hardly anyone goes looking at Winston Cup to find a road course driver. ;) But it's beginning to look like Gordon has the talent to go beyond driving in circles. | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 130 Registered: 1-2003 |
I got the feeling Montoya was a little less-than-excited about the whole thing (sponsors made him do it, I'll bet), while Gordon was like a kid in a candy store. Really a cool show, though, very informative for a racing newbie like me who didn't know, for example, that F1 cars rev to 19,000 rpms!!! I also didn't know that NASCAR engineers squeeze 800-plus hp out of 5.7 liters with CARBS and normal aspiration! No fuel injection??! No turbos?! And for about $150,000? Now, that's some engineering. Low-tech, maybe, but my hat's off to them. Seemed that Gordon's 1:16 was very respectable. The announcer said that 1:15 would have qualified him at the last F1 race there (this year's Indy 500, I think?). They said that the gold standard is Michael Schumacher's 1:10 qualifying run at that same race. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 992 Registered: 8-2001 |
Missed it today- anyone tape it? | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 191 Registered: 2-2003 |
"Im sure if you give anyone enough time they could keep up with the big boys!" Charles, Nothing could be further from the truth. I've seen guys spend mucho $$ on cars, track time, tires, etc. and still finish at the back of the pack. | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
New member Username: Beast Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2003 |
I think gordon did a very respectable job for as little seat time that he had in the car. JPM was also fun to watch durring his second turn going into turn 1 with the tire smoking away. it was obvious that he was not content with taking a pleasure cruise out there. as for the 2 forms of racing i prefer F1 over nascar just because you can see much more happening with an open wheeler if the driver is fighting the car. where as with the stock cars they look to myself as if the are rock solid in the turns. These are just my personal observations from seeing both F1 and nascar races live. | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 652 Registered: 9-2001 |
This has been a great PR move for both Nascar and F1, JPM came off looking like a normal Joe that races cars and Gordon was so excited, just like a little kid that just got a pony. We can only hope this happens again, great fun for all. Just watched the replay, they cut it down to 60 min from the original 90, lost a lot of good comments from both drivers | ||
| Ken A (Zff)
Junior Member Username: Zff Post Number: 71 Registered: 12-2002 |
Jeff Gordon in F1? Bernie's GOTTA be salivating over that one. I, for one, would LOVE to see it happen. | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Junior Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 158 Registered: 5-2002 |
Well, I was very impressed I must say by Gordon today. Although slow starting off, he quickly picked up speed, and eventually turned a 1:16:4x I believe. Not very bad at all, with a total of 12 laps F1 experience. I think that if he was given a shot, he would do well in F1, although he would need more testing time and experience of course. Maybe some company will notice this and back him for a ride in F1? That would be good exposure, and the first American in F1 since Andretti in '93... hmm... Probably just wishful thinking, though. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2439 Registered: 9-2001 |
Terry, I live less than 2 miles from Pete. We went to the USGP together back in 2001. I took spoke with him earlier this afternoon. I plan to drive the Boxer to Wolf Mountain if the weather is good. | ||
| jrj512 (Jrj512)
New member Username: Jrj512 Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2003 |
Also keep in mind that several NASCAR drivers have also had success in various other road course racing series (GT1, GT2�). Another thing to remember is that some teams use "hired guns" for the road course events on the NASCAR schedule, and they have only had limited success against the NASCAR drivers. | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 631 Registered: 11-2002 |
I stand corrected! I suddenly feel the need to run off with my new found Nascar wisdom and find me some round-e-rounds to watch. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 597 Registered: 4-2002 |
LOL, funny you should mention Pete, I just got off the phone with him. We talk shop often, both being in the mortgage biz. May even be trying to hook up for a drive this evening. Anyhow... YES. I am planning on being at Wolf Mountain this Sunday if the weather holds out. I am also up for a drive anytime. We have rented more movies from Blockbuster over the past month than the previous 6... just because its an excuse to go drive around! Give me a shout. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2438 Registered: 9-2001 |
Terry, a good friend on mine, Peter M., e-mailed me a photo of your Daytona yesterday. We'll have to all get together with our cars and go for a drive soon. Are you going to the Father's Day car show and picnic on Sunday at the Wolf Mountain Vineyards ? | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 595 Registered: 4-2002 |
NASCAR, while not my cup of tea, is clearly extremely competive racing and requires amazing skill. To knock those drivers is to just show ignorance. The thing about NASCAR is its incredibly diverse. On the short ovals, driving the car to the limit and keeping it there is very difficult and the drivers are alwasy on the razor edge of losing it. Then throw in the fact that the top 10 cars are seperated by less than 2 seconds, racing nose to tail. This requires total concentration and fantastic skill. The super speedways are totally different. With restrictor plate racing, the track is faster than the cars. In other words, keep your foot flat and steer a clean line and you will get a good time. Its not terribly hard to turn competitive times in those races and the drivers admit it (and hate it). However, given that everyone is going to be very close in laptimes it makes for exceedingly close racing. Drafting, timing and strategy become everything. Think racing as a chess game. Definitely skill required! Then you throw in a few road coarses and medium speed or "wierd" speedways like Pocano and NASCAR puts together a real show. To win the Winston Cup... it takes an incredible driver and team. No question. And hey.... im NOT a NASCAR fan. I watch it every now and then but turning left just doesnt float my boat. I am smart enough though to understand world class skill when I see it. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2437 Registered: 9-2001 |
I like any kind of racing. I've raced my neighbor on riding lawnmowers before. I often race my own kids on bicycles. If it rolls, I will race or watch it race. Nascar is not as easy as you may think. I did the Richard Petty Experience once and was surprised on how hard it was to hold the line on the banks at 150mph+. Just because Nascar has its humble beginnings in moonshining doesn't mean it is not a major sport now. It is the #1 spectator sport in the USA. Sure I wish they used higher tech engines in the cars. But, that high tech cost is what resulted in the loss of the Prost and Arrows F1 teams and is why F1 is changing the specs now dropping driver's aids and telementry and more. F1 too will become less high tech in the future if it is to survive. If not, only 3-4 teams will be able to field cars and how much fun would that be to watch ! | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 981 Registered: 10-2001 |
Gordon is a world class talent, not a redneck good old boy. He was born in IN and raised in CA. He would be sucessful in any racing league, as his life has shown. You'll notice the #1 NASCAR road course winner in the past 10 years has been Gordon. Yes, he DOES know how to shift and even *gasp* turn right. | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 624 Registered: 11-2002 |
Sean, My wife drove a Nascar out at Atlanta motor speedway once. After just 8 laps she was already going 160 around the turns. I'm sure if you give anyone enough time they could keep up with the big boys! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2432 Registered: 9-2001 |
As I recall Gordon turned down the F1 offer because he didn't want to live in Europe. | ||
| Andre Vieira (Goggles_pisano)
Junior Member Username: Goggles_pisano Post Number: 96 Registered: 5-2002 |
I believe it was Jackie Stewart that offered Jeff Gordon a chance to race overseas, but this was around 1989 I think, and Gordon would have had to come up with about $100,000 in sponsorship at the time. Ironically enough, he started his Busch career in a Thunderbird until he got an offer from Hendrick Racing to be in their Chevrolets. The Ford team he left behind? Bill Davis Racing, who has currently been dropped by Dodge for spilling some of their secrets to Toyota, who plan on making a full Winston Cup appearance after they get their Craftsman Truck program (with the Tundra) rolling next season. Okay, I'll stop babbling now. | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 190 Registered: 2-2003 |
I saw part of this today and lunch and Gordon did a respectable job. He was hitting his apex's and hitting the throttle well on the exits from the turns. Give him some serious testing and I'll be he could would be up there with the big boys in F1. | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 299 Registered: 1-2003 |
and Montoya so high up! | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 298 Registered: 1-2003 |
Gordon also said that he didn't like driving so close to the ground! | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Junior Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 209 Registered: 8-2002 |
Yeah but it was a pretty lousy deal and didn't really guarentee a F1 seat. He would have had to start in the lower classes. I remember them asking him about it. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2431 Registered: 9-2001 |
Didn't an F1 team offer Jeff Gordon a job as a driver several years ago ? | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 496 Registered: 10-2001 |
Best Quote- "in the F1 car, the brakes are so strong that I feel all the blood in my head slamming to the front of my face." Jeff | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 618 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lee, ouch! I knew I was going to pee in someones Wheaties when I said that. Keep in mind it is just an opinion. I'm not sure which I enjoy more though, watching cars go around in circles for a couple of hours or CSPAN. I'll have to get back to you on that one. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 495 Registered: 10-2001 |
Jeff is doing 1:17 in F1 car Montoya warmed it up earlyer at 1:18 | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 294 Registered: 1-2003 |
Gordon is underdriving the F1 and Montoya is overdriving the Nascar. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 494 Registered: 10-2001 |
Montoya just took a few laps in the stock car, and came with-in one second of Jeff's morning warm up times. Who knows how hard Jeff was pushing the car in the set-up period.. but Montoya looks like he had fun driving that big moon-shine hauler. | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 290 Registered: 1-2003 |
I'll watch it. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5259 Registered: 12-2000 |
Please give updates, I'm stuck at work. | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 125 Registered: 1-2003 |
Yes, thanks Martin! I saw a commercial for this over the weekend and I was like "I'm there", and then today I was like "I forgot!", so now I'm like "I'm there" again. And Charles, I was going to post the lyrics to Aretha Franklin's "RESPECT", but they read really lame. Do you mind just imagining the song in your head? | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 616 Registered: 11-2002 |
Theres a good idea! lets put the redneck racers behind the wheel of a really expensive high tech racing machine and see what happens. IMO Nascar is just slightly less boring to watch than watching my lawn grow! Alright I am putting my flame suit on now. | ||
| Henry D. Chin (Hanknum)
Junior Member Username: Hanknum Post Number: 167 Registered: 2-2002 |
Thanks Martin. I had totally forgotten about this. I'll tune in. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4774 Registered: 5-2001 |
Can be seen LIVE on Speed: 1pm EST Gordon/Montoya Tradin' Paint SPEED Channel will strap in with four-time NASCAR Winston Cup Series champion Jeff Gordon and Formula One standout Juan Pablo Montoya as the pair swap hot rods for the afternoon on June 11 at the historic Indianapolis Motor Speedway. The 90 minute, live program will begin at 1pm ET and be hosted by Bob Varsha, former NASCAR crew chief Larry McReynolds and former F1 mechanic Steve Matchett. Both drivers will be wired for sound and the cars will be equipped with multiple on-board cameras. "I'm fascinated with the technology involved in Formula One racing and am excited about the chance to drive an F1 car," Gordon said. "It should be a lot of fun to see firsthand what F1 drivers face during a lap at Indianapolis Motor Speedway." Both drivers have scored victories at the famed race track -- Montoya at the 2000 Indianapolis 500 and Gordon with three Winston Cup wins, including the inaugural Brickyard 400 in 1994. Live Wednesday, June 11, 1pm ET Special Replay at 7pm and midnight ET Also replays Friday, June 20, 8:30pm |