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| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1588 Registered: 2-2001 |
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| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2008 Registered: 10-2002 |
What do you think of the MSRP of 240K as quoted in this weeks autoweek? Do you think there's a market for this car at that price? | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 441 Registered: 10-2002 |
Although I would naturally mourn any drop in the prices of the 456, I must however still send my warmest welcome to the addition of even more F-chat friends to the 456 club. Cheers to all.  | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 314 Registered: 2-2003 |
Tork1966 said: "I can't decide if it's cool as hell, or stone ugly." This comment is really historically very in line to many debuts of Pininfarina cars. It's funny how almost 100% of them are borne out in time as classics. I read a review once where someone commented on PF making the newest Ferrari look dated and stodgy - which one? - the 275 GTB. I think it was Scaglietti who remarked many were in terror every time a new Pininfarina design came out not knowing how the public would react. Can't wait to see it as it looks to be a lithe 456. | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
New member Username: Aventino Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2003 |
I think it looks great. Why everyone knocks the BMWs for looking a bit distinctive is beyond me. The one thing the Europeans have over the Japanese (since it isn't tech or power) is style. Sorry but I don't want to see a Ferrari looking like a 300z/RX8 or a BMW looking like a Lexus. | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Member Username: Tork1966 Post Number: 795 Registered: 7-2001 |
I can't decide if it's cool as hell, or stone ugly. | ||
| Matty (Liquid)
New member Username: Liquid Post Number: 39 Registered: 7-2002 |
I think the sketches look fantastic & I believe Ferrari is moving in a good direction w/ their new vehicles compared to some of the other car companies right now. | ||
| Eddie Lee (Lee168)
New member Username: Lee168 Post Number: 36 Registered: 1-2003 |
Chris, I'll call you to pick a date. Brian told me about the "ride" he had in your car!! Doody, I'm speculating that the Maranello replacement would happen in 2005 and the 360 replacement in 2006. I could be wrong though. Faisal Khan, I believe the 575M Maranello replacement will remain as a two seater. | ||
| jasvinder lally (Jas_lally)
New member Username: Jas_lally Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2003 |
This ferrari is an absolute knockout.Its rumored to have 575 HP (automobile magazine). I have the number one spot for delivery with my local dealer.Can't wait till next year. | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 433 Registered: 3-2003 |
Trend is towards front-mid-engined cars...engine in front, but set far enough back to give excellent weight distribution. Like the SLR, 575, etc. I can't imagine a rear-engined 4-seater. That would be a packaging nightmare. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1355 Registered: 11-2001 |
Hope the 575 replacement is a 12 cyl. mid engine car some might argue that the whole mid-12 thing was just an adolescent phase for the company . why do you want to see them go back to mids? do we have a guesstimated date yet on the Maranello replacement? 456 replacement fall 2004 ?? 360 replacement fall 2005 ?? 575 replacement fall 2006 ?? doody. | ||
| Chris Burch (Cyb)
New member Username: Cyb Post Number: 44 Registered: 1-2003 |
Hey Eddie, Hope the 575 replacement is a 12 cyl. mid engine car, however I doubt it....... When are we going to get together? CB | ||
| Eddie Lee (Lee168)
New member Username: Lee168 Post Number: 35 Registered: 1-2003 |
I love it! I wonder what the Maranello replacement is going to look like? | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1353 Registered: 11-2001 |
Actually, this may make 456 prices go up. why do you think that? doody. | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Junior Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 237 Registered: 8-2002 |
I just now noticed the buttons on the steering wheel. | ||
| Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 648 Registered: 3-2002 |
I like it..... | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 195 Registered: 3-2002 |
i like it but profile will only add fuel to argument that ferraris are penile substitutes! | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1348 Registered: 11-2001 |
i'd bet money that these are early concept drawings; as opposed to artistic renderings of the final product. just like the early concept drawings of other models, the final product will be notably different, more balanced, and carefully refined. hmmmmm - maybe they'll have an AWD version with plenty of rear leg room and i can ditch all this BS benz and audi crap i'm dealing with :-) :-) :-). doody. | ||
| Malcolm Barksdale (Malcolmb)
New member Username: Malcolmb Post Number: 47 Registered: 4-2002 |
Actually, this may make 456 prices go up. | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Junior Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 236 Registered: 8-2002 |
My first thought was the front looked like a callaway corvette. It'll be very interesting to see the final product. | ||
| Clax (Clax)
Junior Member Username: Clax Post Number: 66 Registered: 10-2002 |
Nose is too long. | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 429 Registered: 3-2003 |
Andre, very well put. Agree 100%. The side profile is even more quirky than a Marcos, it's almost in Bristol territory. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 761 Registered: 11-2001 |
I hope it doesn't really look like this. They meshed the concave side of an early vette with the front of a Lotus Elise. Bleah. At least the 456 prices will plummet and afford me the chance to buy one | ||
| Andre Vieira (Goggles_pisano)
Junior Member Username: Goggles_pisano Post Number: 104 Registered: 5-2002 |
I don't think you're going against the grain at all, Jim. I thought the 456 was the best looking Ferrari since the 365 GTB/4, and any replacement was bound to be a disappointment compared to that one. I don't despise this design as much as BMW's new ugly sedan philosophy, but the 360, 550 and Enzo didn't grab me immediately like a 456 or a 355 did. As Giorgio Guigiaro said,"Cars are like women. There is no such thing as an ugly woman, it's just that some are more beautiful than others...", but I bet he didn't anticipate the new BMW 7-series or the upcoming 5-series for that matter. This sketch seems to be wrong proportion-wise to me. Maybe it'll work out like the first-generation Viper or the new TVRs, but the "Bergman" side shapes seems a bit gimmicky and forced to me, like the "ventiports" on a new Buick, or the gills on the front fenders of a 550. The shape should stand on its own and not have to resort to tacky design cues like a 1974 Mustang II. My two cents (adjusted for inflation). | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2019 Registered: 7-2001 |
I hate to be the one to go against the grain here, but I think it's ugly. | ||
| JP Lavigne (Jpl)
Junior Member Username: Jpl Post Number: 87 Registered: 12-2001 |
It looks fantastic, the 456 prices will drop like a stone, and now I can look at a slightly used 456 instead of a really used 330 2+2 for about the same price. I can't wait. | ||
| Tom RM (Tgitom)
Junior Member Username: Tgitom Post Number: 146 Registered: 8-2002 |
It looks fantastic, hope it stays in line with these drawings. | ||
| Izel K. (Ferrarist)
Member Username: Ferrarist Post Number: 269 Registered: 3-2001 |
Yes the Bergman style headlights and doors will give the car a perfect and nostalgic look. | ||
| Bert Kanters (Bert308)
New member Username: Bert308 Post Number: 42 Registered: 11-2002 |
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| Ronny Jones (Ronny)
New member Username: Ronny Post Number: 12 Registered: 6-2003 |
It reminds me of the Alfa Brerra ( sp? ). If it looks anything like the Bergmann car it will be fantastic, certainly the prettiest car I have ever seen. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Junior Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 137 Registered: 9-2002 |
The Sketch's are now on the owners site just wonder how much It will change before it comes out?   | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2105 Registered: 8-2002 |
Recent rumor has it: 1. Sketches of the car will be released this Tuesday, July 8. 2. The debut of the actual car will be at the Detroit Auto show next January. 3. The car has an extremely long hood line and concave sides that are inspired by the "Bergman" 375 MM Speciale (0456 AM). 4. Tail lights are similar to those of the Enzo, with their upper edges exposed. 5. Engine will be a reworked 575M powerplant producing 540bhp. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 755 Registered: 11-2001 |
The potential 460 was discussed here: http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/251280/228436.html Two great things about this: first, hopefully we'll have another great looking Fcar to discuss, and second, the 456 pricing ought to drop significantly over the next few years. Since I'll be in the market for a 12 by then, I'm looking forward to the 40-50K 456 | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 753 Registered: 11-2001 |
Nope, that's all they had. A teaser, naturally. | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 387 Registered: 12-2002 |
Matty it is called 460 | ||
| Matty (Liquid)
New member Username: Liquid Post Number: 38 Registered: 7-2002 |
I take it this is the replacement to the F456? | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 385 Registered: 12-2002 |
Do you have the full photo?? | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 751 Registered: 11-2001 |
Saw this on the owners' site today. Probably old news but so be it.  |