| Author | Message | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2020 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ralph I like Lambo's but race cars they are not. They have never won any race ever. (Excepting of course the seris where they ran against themselves) Allan I'm not so sure. The sport version claims to have 1100HP and be lighter than the 997HP version. Pagaini is another one that hasen't done too well racing either but unlike Lambo at least they show up... | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4147 Registered: 9-2001 |
allen, not sure if rob tracks his 328 anymore, prob just his 355 c. Pretty sure civics have a hard time with them | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 665 Registered: 6-2002 |
Not interesting to me. Whats interesting to me Willis, since you arent the one driving the 360Gt in any of those races, and since its substantially different than its street driving counterpart, is when your driving down your favorite road that is empty for miles, and the guy pulls up next to you in his Gallardo, you both nod at each other, down shift and take off. Thats interesting to see who wins. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1388 Registered: 8-2001 |
The 360, in 360GT form, has race wins and championship titles on two continents under it's belt. It will be interesting to see if Lambo's able to pull that off with a Gallardo GT or Murcielago GT | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 663 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ahhh, you guys are getting touchy. Rob, first of all, dont get so touchy Magnum PI, id also be a great track driver in a car that doesnt have the power to outsprint a new Honda Civic. 328's where cool cars, i had one in 1988. David thats a pic of my Diablo shooting flames out the exhaust. Lambo build quality is that of a kit car huh? I doubt that, i guess you havent looked your dear Ferrari over very well. The interiors suck, paint looks like a Maco paint job, and have more rattles than just about any car ive driven. Oh and Clax, you have a 360 Spider, now thats a real race car. The ultimate girls car. James, the Pagani will not be a dog compared to the Bugatti, 1300pds+ weight difference will make up for the difference in power. Oh, and you guys are always quick to point out that Lambo drivers are of the gold chain crowd. Funny how we were laughing at all the old farts at the Owners meeting the other night. No one below 55, toupees, shirts unbuttoned to their navels, 50+ year old wives in leather miniskirts and bikini tops. You guys crack me up. Again with the Lambos breaking, check your tech section buddy! See how reliable your F-cars are! Also about those waiting lists, keep dreaming about those. My uncle walked right into Ferrari, about 8-9 months ago, and bought a brand new 360 for sticker. Too bad its been in the shop for most of its life since then. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 437 Registered: 3-2002 |
Racing components: # 1 I am not a racer or sunday autocrosser. Racing components Brakes ~ ATE Girling Brembo That is some big time manufacturers that have produced some "sierra hotel" brakes over the years ! Wheels OZ racing. Marchesini - Magnesium ! Carbs Weber FI Bosch (Of course they make quite a bit of automotive products at all levels ). These are just a few of the components. | ||
| john w. houghtaling, II (Johnhoughtaling)
Junior Member Username: Johnhoughtaling Post Number: 178 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jim: Ditto about the Speed 8. Eric VDP, told me that it was one of his favorite cars ever, and is painfully beautiful to look at. If you come to the New Orleans event, he will tell you some truely hair-raising stories about his adventures in this car. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2019 Registered: 10-2002 |
Racing components? What racing components besides wheels? | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 436 Registered: 3-2002 |
The Bull up until now has never been into winning races. The Bull was about producing hi-performance production GT street cars that have racing components mixed in. This is exactly what Ferrari hi-performance production GT street cars have possesed the last 35 years. | ||
| Raleigh Smith (288gto)
Junior Member Username: 288gto Post Number: 98 Registered: 10-2002 |
I spoke to Mike at Ferrari of Dallas and he says Ferrari will stick with the belts due to the weight they save. Agian, lets see the Bulls go and win some races, then we can talk about which is better. | ||
| Tom RM (Tgitom)
Junior Member Username: Tgitom Post Number: 149 Registered: 8-2002 |
I agree with this statement! "And you're talking about depreciation, which to me is a very small part of automotive enjoyment. If I buy either a 360 or a Gallardo I'm going to drive it, not sit and worry about how much it will sell for a couple of years down the road." Also would like to see ferrari lose the belts, theres no reason for using belts anymore and justified cost. I do believe the gallardo engine was totally designed and being built by Lamborghini as well.... | ||
| Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig Post Number: 200 Registered: 8-2001 |
It's amazing how Allan's rantings and ravings always seem to correspond to the full depletion of his most recent prescription of Prozac. | ||
| Clax (Clax)
Junior Member Username: Clax Post Number: 70 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rob, "Graffiti"...perfect choice of words. The Diablo looks like a kit car that was designed by a group of teenagers, with build quality to match. I was at my local Lambo dealer last Fall, and they were trying to sell a Diablo on the floor. I began to take a close look at it and found 3 major flaws in the construction of the vehicle (front hood was misaligned, door trim did not fit properly on driver's side, and the rear bumper had a significantly larger gap on the right side than on the left). Maybe they should have thrown some graffiti on it to draw your eye away from the build flaws. | ||
| Raleigh Smith (288gto)
Junior Member Username: 288gto Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2002 |
Also, both times I was at the Dallas Lambo dealership there were Ferraris parked out front, but no Diablos or Mercis. They must really stand behind their car and ask "why can't Mr. Risi give me a job?" | ||
| Raleigh Smith (288gto)
Junior Member Username: 288gto Post Number: 95 Registered: 10-2002 |
All I know is that Lambo of Dallas has two brand new Mercis and last time I was there they had just sold two used 360's. Why does Ferrari have a 2 year waiting list on the 360, a 1.5 year waiting list on the 575, but you can easily buy a new Lambo now? The Dallas dealership is going to get 95 Gallardos. ps- when was the last time a Lambo won a race besides the race to fastest to break? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5559 Registered: 12-2000 |
Allan, why are you such into HP? You're not a track driver. I guess you're into the flash of a Lamborghini, which does draw more attention than the typical Ferrari. So when you're driving your flashy car with the graffiti on the outside, you're on the inside and can't appreciate any of it. Hmm, so who is all the flash for? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2017 Registered: 10-2002 |
Gian I do agree that there is a lot of magic in Ferrari's that can't be quantified except to say that it's pretty cool. | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 66 Registered: 10-2002 |
Teak: . Check on www.mobile.de for the 850 you will see prices trarting at 3000 euros!!!! If you do not find it let me know and I will e-mail you. James Lee: About the ferrari engines on other cars... that is completly differrent. one thing is to share the same technology , like maserati and ferrari ( one encgine is 3500 cc the other 4200cc, with differents manifolds, or you think that just because they are v8 they are alike???##$#ect.. ect..) and the other is to get the same engine and put it in an other car. Like gallardo to audi nuvolari, and M5 to Z8. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2015 Registered: 10-2002 |
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| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2014 Registered: 10-2002 |
Allan Compared to the new VW Bugatti the Pagani will be a dog. There will always be something greener just over the next hill. I'm going to try and buy a Speed 8. For me that's one with speed and style. | ||
| David McGee (Damcgee)
Junior Member Username: Damcgee Post Number: 81 Registered: 2-2003 |
Hey Allan, is that an S7 in your profile? | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
New member Username: Aventino Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2003 |
What you want is the M8, the final swansong in the 850 saga. Handbuilt by BMW M-sport, an extra 80 hp, sportier suspension, Flared arches, bigger & wider wheels, 6 speed, all the 850 gremlins sorted (well most) but I dunno if they sold them in the USA. | ||
| Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
New member Username: Lomotpk Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2003 |
Maverick, I've seen Mid 80's 635 CSi's for $6k, but not 850's. A link, a link! | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1453 Registered: 11-2002 |
Where?! I'm game for that. I ran a search on autotrader and it yielded 3 listings. The prices...54,900, 49,995, 45,000. That's all USD. Seriously. I've kept my eye on these for quite some time now. I'd love to get one! The price was just never quite justified. But for 6k I'd get one in a heartbeat! Cheers | ||
| Kristoffer Hansson (Maverick)
Junior Member Username: Maverick Post Number: 155 Registered: 3-2001 |
TAEK - I have seen several 850 CSi for about 6k USd... | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 662 Registered: 6-2002 |
What i want to see is the Pagani Zonda, with the new twin turbo 700hp motor that is in the works. That will be the end all of end all in exotic cardom. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 435 Registered: 3-2002 |
With Lamborghini raising the bar, (all) customers of niche performance cars will benefit. Worried just about Lamborghini? Look what MB is doing. What happens if they drop one of those super motors in a lightweight chassis and put a six speed ZF on the floor ? | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1447 Registered: 11-2002 |
True James. Wasn't there also a thread somewhere here with Ferraris and common parts with Fiats? One can save a bundle going this route when it comes to repairs and such. Cheers | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1446 Registered: 11-2002 |
If anyone can locate an 850 CSi priced in the trade in value of two scooter please let me know! Cheers | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
New member Username: Aventino Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2003 |
Giamma, That V8 in the 360 is in Maserati's 4200 Gt, it's going to be in their Quattroporte, and it's going to be in the Maserati SUV. It is all about economics and Ferrari are no different to Lambo in that respect. Bearing in mind they threw the 328 motor (sans different crank) into the Lancia Thema, Ferrari (or you could argue Fiat) don't exactly think twice when it comes to numbers over exclusivity. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 657 Registered: 6-2002 |
Art, just to let you know, in 5 years of owning Lambos and having never experienced one problem or let down, i refer you to own Tech section on this forum to see exactly just how reliable your own fcar is. Henryk, you are exactly right. When i purchased my 355, I searched far and wide, and found most owners were in dreamland with their asking prices. I was able to purchase a pristine 1997 355 spider, with 5,000 miles for less than most people thought you could buy a 30,000 mile 1995 355 Berlinetta. | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 65 Registered: 10-2002 |
The Gallardo looks very good and based on the numbers it should have a great performance, but in my opinion it is not a italian exclusive exotic anymore, and that is why it will never hold the price as Ferrari does. It is not on the road yet and it already will share the same engine with the Audi Nuvolari due next year, it has the same steering wheel of the new A8, the same key of a VW Jetta.. what is this???... The same quattro system of the A4,it will probabbly have the same ding dong allarm when the door is open of the Audi TT... This little things is what makes ( or not ) a car exclusive unique, passioned, mystic, and this are the factors that most buyers looks for, not just the performance... if it was about performance you would get a tuned corvette with 700 hp.. ( turbo, supercharger, nitro, coffee maker, you name it..). I have been told by a BMW executive that the bad sales of the Z8 was mainly because it shared the same engine with the M5 which was 50% cheaper.. Anyway, the Gallardo look great but let see what buyers will say about it in a couple of years from now, when the car will really be tested..( recals ect...)( remember the BMW 845 or 850 with 12 cylinders, when it fist came out looked like it was going to kick ass, ...right now you can trade one with a 2 scooters..) | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1441 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lucas, Yes. I thought I was losing my mind, but they look almost identical! That's my only knock on the Gallardo so far. Can't wait to get some seat time. Cheers | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1440 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>It's a good thing that's gonna happen.<< THANK YOU!! Finally! Jim is exactly right. The car kicks ass (so far, on paper). Lamborghini finally has a viable backer and they are on track to make some very special cars. This is a good thing! It'll be interesting to watch Ferrari pick up the pace in the coming years. We are in for a treat if these two powerhouses go to war. The result will be a slathering of extremely competent machinery. Cheers | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 270 Registered: 12-2002 |
The wheels on the Gal', aren't they the same design as S4 wheels? Honestly? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2011 Registered: 10-2002 |
Art VW is a whole new ball of wax. The new factory is a difference of kind to Lambo's past. VW has won LeMans for the last several years. When their Audi pulled into the pits and they were able to change the entire rear, trans; wheels, rear suspention etc in 3.5 minutes a lot of people realized that this was the dawning of something very special. Their Speed 8 was a sight to behold as it sailed along. This time it may be different. I think it's great that Ferrari will have to dig deep and come out swinging. The Enzo shows they can make some pretty amazing cars. It's a good thing that's gonna happen. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 696 Registered: 11-2002 |
Actually I do feel sorry for those that bought the 550 Barchetta's ... those things are going to be sooooo hard to move it will not be funny. Should have been a proper convertible (and could so easily have been) ... Italians were drinking too much red wine when they came up with this crazy idea. Pete | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5555 Registered: 12-2000 |
Just my life mission to make the entire world a happy peaceful place, but one ������� keeps getting in the way. Feel pretty good to be my only target out of 2,800 users? Thanks for making the rest of us look like saints though. Stick around just for that. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2010 Registered: 10-2002 |
It's def. a contender. I think a lot will depend on how it drives. If it drives well and is confortable and usable it will be real competition. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2077 Registered: 6-2001 |
Alan: You forgot: own a Lambo, get used to hitchhiking. Art | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 911 Registered: 8-2001 |
I agree with Allan 100% regarding the depreciation of these cars!!!!!!!! There seem to be a lot of dreamers here, unwilling to face the actual facts. I could only WISH that my TR and Boxer are worth what I have read others to believe, including dealers. I bought a Boxer within the last year, and tried to sell a TR in the last 6 months. While these other people disagree with me as to the value of these cars, they offer ABSOLUTELY NO concrete evidence to the contrary. My buying the Boxer and trying to sell the TR represent REALITY, in this curent economic climate. Their speculations represent NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...only DREAMS!!!!!!!!! Dream on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 656 Registered: 6-2002 |
Whats the matter Rob, in a bad mood? 328 break down? Get blown away by a civic? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5554 Registered: 12-2000 |
Allan, after you were quiet the past few weeks I was hoping you left. Oh well.  | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 655 Registered: 6-2002 |
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| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 654 Registered: 6-2002 |
Heres my answer.     | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2009 Registered: 10-2002 |
Which would you rather have? A Stradale or a Gallardo? A 360 Coupe or a Gallardo? A 360 Spyder or a Gallardo? What about when you factor in price? That is the question. If a Gallardo stays at 160K. The "new" 360 IMHO will have to beat or at least equal the Gallardo in proformance and comfort esp. as it will probably cost 60K more. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 652 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hmmmmm Lambos depreciate? Yes they do, but i guess you havent checked the values on 550's, 575's, 456's, Testarossas, etc. Im sorry to say, if you compare similar year Testarossas and Countachs, the Countach is worth more, same with the 512,550 and Diablo. As for the value of the 360, well its supremely overinflated because of people buying cars to just make money on them. When the 360 crashes down to earth, it will be a ugly sight. I feel really bad for the guys that bought EURO models! The dealer from last night, is a Lotus dealer, but they deal with Ferrari much more than Lamborghini. Clax, why can i buy a 575M for below msrp? Oh and what happened to the guys that paid huge money for the 550 Barchetta's? lol | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1587 Registered: 2-2001 |
http://www.imakenews.com/autospies/e_article000166056.cfm?x=a1VB0s3,aRKrs9M | ||
| Lou B (Toby91)
Junior Member Username: Toby91 Post Number: 229 Registered: 4-2001 |
Mitch. You forgot there is a fifth way to get more power i.e. turbo or supercharging for some reason ferrari is not showing any interest in. | ||
| Heiko (Hgparts)
Junior Member Username: Hgparts Post Number: 142 Registered: 3-2003 |
well did all you guys didnet here that the new 420 comes the end of next year. it�s an 4.2l V8 with min 470HP maybe a little more. the new engine will have no belts anymore so will be very low cost service on it. that�s what i heard out of italy but for sure we will know the end of next year when they show it. well you should go to maranello and spent a few week there then you see the new cars driving. also i think we will see the 460 the end of the year ready. heiko hgparts | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2073 Registered: 6-2001 |
I sure hope you're right, since I'm getting one of the first 04s. I've been told however that the change won't come until the 05 model, or later. Hope I'm wrong. Art | ||
| John (Johno)
New member Username: Johno Post Number: 34 Registered: 2-2002 |
Hi David. Sorry, but I can't do any scanning because I didn't buy the mag. I buy a ridiculous number of car mags each month so I try and cut back where I can ;-). It was only a couple of paragraphs + a picture in the news section at the front of the mag. The picture isn't very illuminating because it looked just like the current car (the projector headlamps look slightly different). I've just gone to their web-site to see if there is anything there, but instead of having free news, it was pretty news free! Still worth a visit though to read the "Question Archive" section, of (often) witty answers to (often) weird questions that readers send in: http://www.autocarmagazine.com/Autocar.exe/Archive Enjoy! Best wishes, John | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 432 Registered: 3-2002 |
Perhaps a good portion of buyers want something a little more civilized and user friendly ? Not everyone is ready to pay in and around $300K for a mid engine 12. Some people want more user friendly features in their cars. There are quite a few other mindless drivers out there in the USA that know of only automatics. Go look at all the Corvettes made with auto boxes. Lamborghini has not catered to everyones interest. They are trying to broaden their appeal with the Gallardo. | ||
| Clax (Clax)
Junior Member Username: Clax Post Number: 69 Registered: 10-2002 |
Allan, The Murci is newer than the 360, Murci's are selling BRAND NEW BELOW MSRP. Why? Being a Lambo expert, I thought maybe you could tell us. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1424 Registered: 11-2002 |
If depreciation is the name of the game, then the winner is Porsche. Hahahaha! Glad I have one! Cheers | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 431 Registered: 3-2002 |
Rick you talk about Lamborghini's depreciating. One thing. Not all Ferrari's hold their value like the 360 F1 U.S. Spec Spyder does. I imagine a few owners who rolled out of the dealer smiling with other cars besides the 360 Spyder are quite surprised when they "Asked" about a trade in; just a few years later. The 360 is not the only car out there that is beginning to have to fight for its status. Everyone wants a piece of the profitable niche car market. Next year mom and dad can have their 500 horse 10 cyl M5 to run grocery errands. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1419 Registered: 11-2002 |
You're welcome p8ge. Cheers | ||
| p8ge (P8ge)
New member Username: P8ge Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2003 |
TAEK, Thanks you just informed everyone why lambo will never be a competitor to Ferrari | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 868 Registered: 4-2002 |
"I always wonder how they can "find" HP in an engine...." The old fashioned way: they earn it-- Since the F355/360 engine is now ~10 years old, Ferrari have plenty of road miles and completely understand the durability of the engine in tis current forms. If the 360 replacement utilizes the current F3650 engine architecture, Ferrari are left with 4 options: 1) Better breathing, 2) more revs, 3) more compression, 4) more displacement. The Stradale example shows that there is latent HP left untapped, if they only want to go in there and get it. Better breathing is possible with a new intake system and a tweeked exhaust system. It is possible for the headers of the F355/360 to be augmented with real collectors tuned for the RPM band and valve overlap of the CAM timing to extract around 5% more. More revs are possible by slight tweeking of the CAMs and balance of the internal components, perhaps with lighter pistons. Modern engine management might be possible to meet emissions specs with a little more valve overlap, better cats, and faster engine CPUs and/or exhaust computers managing exhaust harmonics to pass emissions requirements. More displacement is available with a longer stroke crankshaft. Although this is counter to the more REVs approach, so it should be considered mutually exclusive. The example of the transition from F355 to F360 shows that Ferrari lengthened the stroke and lowered the redline by 250 RPMs. Perhaps newer materials will allow keeping the redline or even increase it with increased displacement. Who knows, maybe Ferrari finally got ahead of the valve guide wear problem, and that this was the problem that limited redline on these engines. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1418 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rick, They are more affordable. Which changes things substantially. They will also be cheaper to service. And you're talking about depreciation, which to me is a very small part of automotive enjoyment. If I buy either a 360 or a Gallardo I'm going to drive it, not sit and worry about how much it will sell for a couple of years down the road. Cheers | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 196 Registered: 4-2001 |
Taek, so why do you think it will be any different with the Gallardo? All the elements you had mentioned will still be there. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1417 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rick, The answer I've gotten mostly on your question, which I've also asked, is service, maintenance, and latest and greatest. The lack of available service centers or qualified service technicians. Expensive maintenance. And most Lamborghini owners have a high turnover of sports car ownership. They usually want the "latest and greatest". Cheers | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 470 Registered: 4-2002 |
Allan, with all do respect how huge of a demand can the Gallardo have if Prestige in Miami will delivere one to you after four-five months? if anyone is interested talk to David at prestige. | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 195 Registered: 4-2001 |
Can someone explain to me why the lambos depreciate in price so fast and so much? | ||
| J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
Junior Member Username: Jeff Post Number: 206 Registered: 2-2001 |
Allan Be fair in your reporting. The dealer you are talking about is a Lotus dealer that had quit a few Lambos on the showroom floor. Don't you think there is a little anti Ferrari bias from them? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2003 Registered: 10-2002 |
There is no question that Allan's right and the Gallardo will be serious comp for Ferrari. VW is dead serious and makes some great product. The larger question to me is are there going to be buyers for all of these cars? At what point will the market thin out? If you add up all of the production plans,Lambo,Ferrari,P,Bentley,Aston,Jag,etc,etc IMHO it's gonna get crowded. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1416 Registered: 11-2002 |
I found the Murcielago to by quite comfortable. To each their own. Cheers | ||
| Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
New member Username: Lomotpk Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2003 |
I think the other point is two fold: [1] As we have seen on this forum, for many people with some money a Ferrari (308 et al) is now 'affordable'. Lambo's still aren't (countach etc.) (don't talk to me about urracos etc)Thus still have certain cachet. [2] Lambo has newer 'product' with the Murci and tha Gallardo looking like modern, new cars. 575's & 456's look older. So if you are in the 360 crowd, the gallardo is a nice two-way step up. Lambo more exclusive 'crazier' than Ferrari (been there with 360), and its less than a Murci or a 575. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5112 Registered: 5-2001 |
I always wonder how they can "find" HP in an engine.... "Ah I looked behind this valve and there it was sitting 60 horses unused hiding from combustion" | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 194 Registered: 4-2001 |
Taek, If Gallardo is anything close to Murcie i would gladly pass on it. I had the opportunity to drive a Murcie. few weeks ago in poconos and i have to tell you that it was very very uncomfortable. Granted the power and performance was great but i would not want to drive that car for more than 10 minutes. on the other hand the more you drive the 360 the more enjoyable it will get. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1414 Registered: 11-2002 |
Allan, I too have heard from dealers the interest in the Gallardo is tremendous. Many folks have been waiting for Lamborghini to put out a lower priced vehicle. The fact that it's an ass kicking machine makes it all the more desireable. I know of two folks foaming at the mouth to get their hands on one and they definitely have the bankroll to get them. Rick, 500hp is not the only reason. Granted, I have yet to drive one, but if it's anything like the Murcielago minus some horses it's going to be a fantastic machine. And that's why people will buy it. Cheers | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 317 Registered: 1-2003 |
John-Can you scan the photograph and article? | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 193 Registered: 4-2001 |
just curious which dealer that was? at the Ferrari of Long Island they can not keep the 360 coupe or the spider on the floor for more than 10 days. They still have a huge demand and waiting list for the spider. i don't think everyone will run over to buy a Gallardo just because it has 500 hp. just my 2cent. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 651 Registered: 6-2002 |
It will need to do something because the Gallardo is going to kill it. The dealer at which the Ferrari meet was held last night, said he would not buy or take a 360 as a trade, because the interest in the Gallardo is so huge, that he anticipates seeing a huge drop in the value of the 360. | ||
| John (Johno)
New member Username: Johno Post Number: 33 Registered: 2-2002 |
Apologies if this has already been reported, but I couldn't find it: This week's edition of AutoCar magazine published a spy photo of the new 360 replacement. It looks VERY similar to the current 360, but Ferrari has apparently extensively reworked the engine and found another 60HP! AutoCar is usually extremely accurate about these things. The exterior stays almost the same apart from new headlamps. The interior is expected to change in line with the new 456 replacement (460M ?). |