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Clax (Clax)
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Post Number: 90
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 1:12 pm:   

Allan,

The Diablo is more expensive than a modded RX-7/Vette/Viper, and would get it's ass handed to it. Wow, isn't that impressive? Your constant use of this analogy holds no substance. The more you use it, the more shallow your arguments become.

I'm just about ready to take a vacation to Scottsdale, tow down an LPE-modded Z06, invite all the F-Chat members to watch, and hand you YOUR ass.

Anybody interested?
"The Don" (The_don)
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Post Number: 6048
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:59 pm:   

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allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 739
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:59 pm:   

Oh and Robert, how exactly does looking down slow the 355 driver down? Is he looking down and putting on the brakes? Letting off the gas? Making a left turn? lol
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 738
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:57 pm:   

Markmoon, i accept your challange at any time. Too bad your in Florida, so you know talk is cheap. I have driven plenty of 512's, and they are pigs. Also, you thinking you could really pass a Diablo is a funny thing. Btw, i would not use nitrous racing your car, what for? So it wouldnt just be an annihilation, but an obliteration? Give me a break.

God, you just post a little video here, and all of a sudden, the f40's come out. Will if thats the case, race a Porsche Gt1 against the F40. The 360 is more expensive than the 996tt, and gets its ass handed to it. Live with it. So would the 575M, the 550, the 512Tr and the M, or just to make it simple, every Ferrari sands the F50/f40 and Enzo.

And please all you little winy people posting that you dont need speed or hp, are full of it.

Robert (Rjklein4470)
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Post Number: 276
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:28 pm:   

Ok, about this race and others where the ferrari has lost. If the driver has to look down to shift, he should not be racing the Ferrari, every time he looks down to find the gear he is loosing time.
Marvin Balagot (Mdb69)
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Post Number: 63
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:08 pm:   

There is a video of an F40 vs an older GT2. In the vid, the F40 spun its tires badly at launch and lost to the Porsche in the 1/4, but took off after that and left the Porsche in the dust.

http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=385&p=6
Manu (Manu)
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Post Number: 788
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:46 am:   

Frank - I have to disagree with one of your comments mate...
Although the Porsche TT is probably the ultimate all-rounder sports car, the F40 will PULVERISE it in a straight line.
I drove the TT recently and was out in an F40 YESTERDAY... I have no doubt - the TT wouldn't stand a chance against an F40.
Clax (Clax)
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Post Number: 89
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:38 am:   

Ronny,

Stick around for a while, and then tell us what you think of Allan.
"The Don" (The_don)
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:34 am:   

Allan hard at work

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don't be such a Baby "boobs on the Brain"
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Ronny Jones (Ronny)
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:34 am:   

As a newbie to this board, and not wanting to step on toes, surely Allan's posts are welcome, and the fact that his potential stirring up is a bonus. How boring would it be if we all agreed on everything ?
I enjoy Allan's posts, as I can appreciate different cars as well as Ferrari ( I own a 911, and have a long list of cars I would like, most of which are not Ferrari's.

Ron
Clax (Clax)
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Post Number: 88
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:06 am:   

In order to put things in perspective for our friend Allan, he needs to realize that even a modded RX-7 can obliterate/annihilate/destroy/demolish/thrash his Lambo (or a 996TT, Viper, etc.) in a straight line, on the track, or wherever you like. The reality is, who cares? Am I going to run out and buy a modified RX-7 and cruise the streets & tracks looking for races with Italian cars? No thanks. Grow up, Allan. You sound like a ranting ricer pilot.
Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
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Post Number: 171
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:51 am:   

Frank:

No offense but what are you smoking? A porsche TT faster than an F40? I don't think so. Maybe from 0-50 or so due to superior grip off the line but after that forget it. I have been in many 996 TTs and they don't compare with the F40 IMHO.

Allan:
Again, put your money where your(large) mouth is....I will happily race your SV in my 512M. Yes, in a STRAIGHT LINE as that is all you seem to be able to handle. I have dusted off a Lambo before and I am willing to bet I can at least keep up if not walk your car. Of course this presumes you aren't using NOS or some other RiceBurner modifications.
The only catch is that if I can match the performance of your car in a straight line or do better will you agree to GO AWAY forever?
Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
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Post Number: 210
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 9:16 am:   

This video is a couple years old... I've seen it like A MILLION times now. Gee thanks, Alan, for bringing something FRESH to the forum! You're oh so good at that!
Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
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Post Number: 773
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 8:39 am:   

It does get old listening to him preach the Lambo religion
Clax (Clax)
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 8:33 am:   

Oh boy. He's back. Kind of like the annoying geeks in high school that just keep buzzing around, but never make any sense.

Who cares is a 360 can be beaten by a car that is the decendent of a VW Bug (and still looks like it). As I have said before, if you want performance, you can achieve it with ANY CAR.

Because I can modify a Z06 to wipe any car off the face of the planet (including Allan's Lambo), does it make it a better car? C'mon, gimme a break.

Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Post Number: 2715
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 8:05 am:   

While I prefer a Ferrari, its hard to outrun a Porsche TT period. The Porsche TT is faster than an F40 as well.
Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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Post Number: 979
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 7:53 am:   

With regards to the Golf VR6, I drive one every day. I piss off so many M3s, Camaros and other faster than normal cars that I get a good laugh everyday.

I have a 308 that will get smoked by a NSX, a Diablo, a Skyline, whatever. I don't give a crap. I still love my Ferrari more than any of those other cars. I certainly could have afforded any of those other cars too. I chose a Ferrari, because it is beautiful, fun to drive, sounds great and does what I want it too.

GOD people, FAST is not everything!!!
thomas daniels (Castex)
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 6:50 am:   

Why aren't we watching this sort of racing every fortnight? This should be a preamble to every GP! Let's see road cars fighting it out, let's see Porsche 911cs vs F360 stradale vs NSX-R. Let's see Konigsegg vs Enzo vs Mclaren F1. Let's see Jag XKR vs AMG Merc's vs Audi S8. Let's see Lotus Elise vs Vauxhall vx220 vs Caterham R400.
All on the same track at the same time.
Hi Manu:-)
Manu (Manu)
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Post Number: 786
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 6:31 am:   

As much as I agree that Allans comments may not always be constructive I do feel that we need people like him on Ferrarichat....

At the end of the day he owns an F355 Spider AND a Lamborghini...

We all have a tendency to be love the marque blindly and forgive too many things.

The reality is I agree that although performance alone is not part of the Ferrari experience, I think that they should be the amongst the fastest cars in the world and should DESTROY Corvettes.....

I actually AM prepared to forgoe (?) some minor reliability if the car delivers performance which would otherwise be unaccessible in any other marque.... Anything else is simply excuses.
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 737
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 1:31 am:   

Yes he did.
todd montandon (Sllade)
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Post Number: 123
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 1:29 am:   

vince did you buy the 348 from alan? Todd
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 736
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 1:05 am:   

Well, how many months has it been since i sold the 348? 10,000km is only 6,000 miles, so maybe, it only had 18,000 when you were here. I do drive it alot.

Vincent (Vincent348)
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Username: Vincent348

Post Number: 843
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:17 am:   

Allan,

It's going well. I'm really enjoying the car. Didn't say it didn't leak only that you didn't need swim trunks. I've had it in the rain a few times and no problems, only some slight leaks when I've washed it. nothing to write home about.

Funny your odo read under 18 in march. Remember when your fired up that beast and we got a look inside(very cool btw). Put on quite a few mile, heh!

A friend of mine is moving to Hawaii, might see you in Feb.

Vincent.

Sounds like your penis pump royalties are kicking in. :-)



Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
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Post Number: 1569
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:07 am:   

BJ,

Look at how the Murcielago was driven. Comparatively pathetic. Also, it beat the NSX but came after the Gemballa Turbo. Watch how it pulls away on the stretches and even the corners. The driver lost it a bit on the corner and that set him back a bit. Even then he caught up.

Don't try to beat up on Lamborghini. It's a waste of time. It's not worth it.

Jon's post is spot on.

Cheers
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 734
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:06 am:   

Vincent, whats up! Hows the 348? You cant tell me the 348 doesnt leak. One time we took it out and it rained, came back and the whole passanger seat was filled with water, same thing everytime i washed it.

The Diablo has over 30,000 on the clock, although i wish it just had 17,000!

Alissa is in Maui already.
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 733
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:02 am:   

BJ, first off get it right. The Murcielago beat the Nsx-r, and there is a version of the video with subtitles, that lets you know the drivers comments. The driver in the Murcielago had never even been in one before, the car was brand new, and the owner told him to take it easy with it. The F50 did win, but you also forget to mention that it is a MODIFIED F50.
Vincent (Vincent348)
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Post Number: 841
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 11:58 pm:   

Allan,

i've been staying out of these, but come on.

>>As for water in trunk, no never. Not on my 92 Diablo, not on my Sv, not on my Countach, But when i washed my 348, the interior was suitable for swimming, and the 355 gets an interior cleansing also, so i have to put the passanger in the trunk, good for lots of laughing.<<

I've washed your 348, and no need for swimtrunks.

Also, how many miles on that SV? Last I checked 17 something not what you posted in previous threads.

You make some good points, and I actually like the laughs I get out of people defending themselves, but man you stretch the facts some.

BTW, I do have to say allan knows cars and how to find the right one it seems. Maxipads aside.

Say hi to Alyssa for me, she's a sweetie. KC saays hi too.

Vincent.

LOL

Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
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Post Number: 794
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 11:49 pm:   

BJ,

Here is the link to the race:

http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/misc_trailers/revheads/Best_Motoring-SuperCar_Race.mpg

Here is one for Allan of a Diablo hitting well over 200 mph (with close up of speedo).

http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/misc_trailers/revheads/Diablo.mpg

And laslty check out this bike at 220 mph:

http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/misc_trailers/revheads/220mph.wmv

Another one with a Viper beating an F16:

http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/misc_trailers/revheads/F16Viper.mpg

You guys sure seem to spend a lot of time arguing over the prestige of owning this exotic over that one. Just like there will always be a more beautiful women, there will always be a faster car..... and so on.

What's the big deal. We all buy different cars for different reasons. Allan bought his car for it's sheet top speed and agressive looks, others bought there car for it's all around day to day usability and speed (996TT) and others for handling and a beautiful exhuast note.

Why are we all arguing over one characteristic that makes up only a portion of a car's overall performance and appeal.

Some car's handle better, others have a higher top speed, faster 1/4 mile, better sound, better looks, better racing history and so on.

What sense does it make to get into these "my Viper can dust your 308" car. Why do some of you try to make others feel inferior based on how fast your car gets to 100 mph.

We all know the 308 ain't gonna win many stop light battles, but I am sure that's not the appeal to many owners. To me the 308/328 is one Ferrari's best looking cars (modern era). That would be the appeal of owning one, not 0-100 stats.

For all you folks concerned about prestige and bragging rights consider the following. I am looking at purchasing a Townsend chassis NASCAR Craftsman truck and putting a 530 hp Chevy ZZ4 crate motor in it.

Now if I wanted to brag I could tell you all to bring your prestige cars to the drag strip and that TRUCK would embarrass you all in the quarter. It weighs 2500 pounds dry weight and has 530 hp + 502 pound feet of torque.

I am not buying it to impress the Porsche folks, the Lambo folks, or any Ferrari folks and the thing is never going to win an beauty contests and in fact many people will likely laugh when they see me pull the thing out of the trialer but so what.

I'm buying the thing to have fun with at track events and SCCA races.

And Yes Allan it is a race car so it's not fair to compare it to a street car.

Regards,

Jon P. Kofod
1995 F355 Challenge #23
BJ (Bjkim)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:47 pm:   

Once the Motoring tested Mulcielago, F-50, NSX-R, C4S, GT2 and etc on the track in Japan. Guess what?

F-50 won big time, and Mulcielago was beaten by NSX-R. LOL I thought Lambo was the fastest, but it sucked.

Feel sorry for Allan...:-(

p.s GT2 was the second fastest there, but it wasn't very good competitor for F-50 either.
Henryk (Henryk)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:28 pm:   

Eric: Right........let's not have to use our brains.

The simple fact is: My nephew wanted a Ferrari for a long time, now he doesn't!!!!!!

That to me, states a lot!!!!!!
JRV (Jrvall)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:27 pm:   

>>Am I wrong, or is that still the entry model to the line up?<<

Yes the 360's are "the entry level" models.

Thank Goodness the Top of the Line Models seem to have many of the impressive attributes that Ferrari is actually Famous for.

The market hasn't seen anything with the 360's yet, give these glued together melted down beer cans a few years...I think it's going to be ugly.

Nothing the second hand market hates more than a beer can whose glue is coming loose.

;-)
Dr. Erik Nielsen (Judge4re)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:24 pm:   

As long as the change in the percentages of suckers in society decreases slower than the rate of increase in population, Ferrari has nothing to worry about. Sorry, a bit late to be using my brain.
Henryk (Henryk)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:21 pm:   

Erik: Your right......they don't have to make a lot of money off of us, however, I can't help to think that there are fewer suckers today then there where yesterday!

Some day soon, this will catch up to the one that bites the hand that feeds it.
Dr. Erik Nielsen (Judge4re)
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:14 pm:   

Henry:

I disagree. When Ferrari stops winning in F1, then licensing fees will dry up. Ferrari doesn't have to make a lot of money off of selling to you or me personally, when there are masses that they can sell a $45 polo shirt to. Besides, most of the slams are being directed at the V8 cars. Am I wrong, or is that still the entry model to the line up?
Henryk (Henryk)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:05 pm:   

Erik: After owning Ferraris for over 20 years, I only have a Ferrari cup......given as a gift. I also have several Ferrari jackets........given to me by the dealers I bought cars from.

Ferrari isn't making that money from me.

I think the example of my nephew is very real. When the cars stop selling, so will the license fees.
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:03 pm:   

>>Take a look at the balance sheet. More than half of their revenue comes from licensing fees, not car sales...<<

That's because of low vehicle production figures and because they are vicious with their licensing (which they should be). They have Ferrari EVERYTHING too. In short, they are smart about it. The name sells and they know it. Suckers out there buy tons of the stuff. I'm the perfect example. About three Ferrari shirts and 0 Ferraris in my garage. I'm sure Ferrari Shampoo would succeed in the marketplace.

Cheers
Dr. Erik Nielsen (Judge4re)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:57 pm:   

Ferrari is not biting the hand that feeds them. Take a look at the balance sheet. More than half of their revenue comes from licensing fees, not car sales...
JRV (Jrvall)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:54 pm:   

>>quote:
Ferrari, IMO, is biting the hands that feed it.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



When have they not<<

EXACTLY !!!

But not everyone is "Blinded by the Flash" !!

Ferrari is a Business and they are "extremely good" at creating Bag Holders that smile and come back for more. Not neccesarily the Best Customers but any and all on the periphery are definately target sheep that Ferrari wants to sheer.

They have, do, and will continue to build some great machines, but the 360's aren't one of them. The things start life as melted down beer cans so what can you expect.
Henryk (Henryk)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:54 pm:   

Don: You are right.....they always have. However, it seems to be getting worse!!!!!

My nephew, after driving all 8 of my ferraris, was considering a 328 for himself, for a while now. Recently he decided against it, and is looking into a Porsche.........he can't believe the maintanence costs, etc.

I just can't help to think that more and more potential Ferrari buyers are thinking as he does.

If it wasn't for the fact that I can do my own service, I would NOT have owned a single Ferrari.
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:54 pm:   

Well, it was the Honda Marlboro McLaren team.

Cheers
"The Don" (The_don)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:47 pm:   

I stand corrected.
Dr. Erik Nielsen (Judge4re)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:45 pm:   

No. 88-92 was a McLaren chassis.
"The Don" (The_don)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:44 pm:   

Henry,

quote:

Ferrari, IMO, is biting the hands that feed it.




When have they not?
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:43 pm:   

You beat me to it, Matt!

Honda can build some good engines.

Cheers
Henryk (Henryk)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:42 pm:   

"......Trickling down from F1 to 360's is the cost".

HOW TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ferrari, IMO, is biting the hands that feed it.
"The Don" (The_don)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:41 pm:   

Erik


quote:

Let's see. Honda's history in F1. Their chassis and engine, right?

Two wins: Ginther at Mexico in 1965, Surtees at I think Monza in 67.

Wow. I'm impressed.




you forgot the 88,89,90,91,92 seasons with Prost and Senna Winning the constructors and driver titles.

Mild Oversight?
Topdaytrader (Topdaytrader)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:40 pm:   

Check out vid at http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=425
or
http://www.dreamtrade.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=motionr

F360 got its a$$ kick by 996tt, Skyline, Evo, NSX!!!!

Dr. Erik Nielsen (Judge4re)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:38 pm:   

Let's see. Honda's history in F1. Their chassis and engine, right?

Two wins: Ginther at Mexico in 1965, Surtees at I think Monza in 67.

Wow. I'm impressed.
JRV (Jrvall)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:36 pm:   

WMHart,

I'm reffering to the F1 Paddle Smaddle Shifter Slipper Trannies. Already on 3rd Gen Computers and still sorting the friggin software...gimme a freakin break. That's no prize to brag about in my book, of course the last thing Dealers Tell the Bag Holders as they're rolling off the lot is" BTW, Make Sure You Don't Drive It, Cause it will Hurt Resale " LOLOLOLOLOL...Yea it's a $250K "CAR"...but don't drive it and put miles on it...**Translated from Italian to English, WE (The Dealers) Might Have HUGE Warranty Exposeure if You try to Drive it & Put Miles On It!!!**

And the rubes just eat it up!!!
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:31 pm:   

Boat racing is NO JOKE! Those things friggin' fly! I agree that a racing engine is...well, a racing engine irrespective of application.

When it comes down to it, an engine is a big air pump. If it's pushing a boat or a car should be of no concern unless we are talking about a specific race class or series. When generalizing engines, I think boating should be fair game. And those things endure a hell of a lot of torture, as JRV mentions. Think of it as having a roadracing engine redlining almost the entire race! Yowza!

Just my two pennies.

As for the video...it was cool to see how the difference looked like. One always reads stats on magazines or online. This was a pretty cool illustration of the real thing!

Cheers
wm hart (Whart)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:27 pm:   

I am downloading the video now, and will watch it. How would the Lambo fare against a Porsche, Allan?(Dunno if its a stock TT or a more trick one by the factory, but factor that into your response, if you would). JRV: You refer to the poor clutches in the 360. Are your comments confined to the paddle shifter car or applicable to the conventional 6 speed as well?
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:26 pm:   

I dont think we need to worry about Ferrari's racing Lambo's, judging from the video i just posted, they have a hard enough time beating Acuras.

Since the Acura wins, i guess their F1 heritage is superior to Ferraris.
Ernesto (T88power)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:26 pm:   

Perhaps Lambo should build boats instead...

Where is Lambo's long and respected history in racing engines? And lets stick to cars, not boats, airplanes, or tractors.

Ernesto
"The Don" (The_don)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:26 pm:   

JRV,

Ferrari needs the Ford Cooling guys too.
JRV (Jrvall)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:20 pm:   

RACING IS RACING Ernesto!!! And Lambo has a Long & Respected History of Racing Engines.


YES Ernesto a HUGE Thumbs Down at Le Mans for 360's.

The 360's Sucked! While the 550's kicked ass.

The only thing that Ferrari is Trickling down from F1 to 360's is the cost. Ferrari found the Motherload of suckers to step up and stand in line to pay over retail for cars that crap out rolling off the boat and be out run and far outlasted by the Toyota Supra that they robbed the looks from. Ferrari should have robbed Toyotas Tranny instead...and maybe some of Toyotas QC guys.

LOL



"The Don" (The_don)
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Post Number: 6031
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:11 pm:   

You really do lack a complete grasp of the english language.

It's There's...not there.
Ernesto (T88power)
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Post Number: 1599
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:11 pm:   

JRV, if we were talking about boats or if this was BOATCHAT.com, your comment would be relevant.

360's were a flop in Le Mans? As opposed to Lambo, with their HUGE success at Le Mans....

Ernesto
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
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Post Number: 185
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:10 pm:   

Sorry no street wins in the diablo, lanes round here far too narrow and bumpy (include Rossa and 400 in that as well) would all get hammered by a well driven Vr6 Golf

Still have a soft spot for SV's though, Allan take it yours has the Alcantara (SP) trim instead of leather?
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:09 pm:   

There the Don, with Cock on the brain. Trying to tell us something about yourself?
JRV (Jrvall)
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Post Number: 1950
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:09 pm:   

>>Why dont you post a video of a Lambo winning a race? Sorry, forgot that video doesnt exist because they dont race>>

Lamborghini is VERY Famous for building RACING Boat Engines..which is even MORE Extreme than Track Engines because the engine is almost Constantly at WOT !!

And don't forget that the 360's were a HUGE Flop at LeMans just a month ago.

My how soon we forget.

Ferrari has been in business 50 yrs and can't get a flimsy piece of canvas to go up and down more than once in a row without some form of problem...how impressive...and the Italian Stallians "auto matic" miserable failure of a tranny isn't very immpressive since even ford escorts can last around the block a few times.

Ferrari guys about clutches that only last 10K miles so as a reward for the critisism, Ferrari creates a new clutch that only lasts 3K miles...LOL.
"The Don" (The_don)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:07 pm:   

Me thinks Allan is lacking in the size arena.
Ernesto (T88power)
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Post Number: 1598
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:06 pm:   

How can you make a list of race wins, when you've never set foot in a track? Oh, you must mean street races with supercharged Mustangs... LOL

Ernesto
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 728
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:05 pm:   

Ernesto, make a list of the wins you have had in YOUR 360, and ill make a list in MY DIABLO.
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 727
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:04 pm:   

Hmm, an F40. Lets see, stripped out race car vs Diablo? How about a Testarossa, a 512, a 550 a 575? Cant you guys compare anycar thats in the same league?

As for water in trunk, no never. Not on my 92 Diablo, not on my Sv, not on my Countach, But when i washed my 348, the interior was suitable for swimming, and the 355 gets an interior cleansing also, so i have to put the passanger in the trunk, good for lots of laughing.

Ernesto (T88power)
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Post Number: 1597
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:03 pm:   

Allan, make a list of all the race wins the Diablo has and I'll do the same for the 360. It should be pretty quick for you... LOL

Ernesto
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 726
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:59 pm:   

Ernesto, your little girlie 360 would get creamed in any sort of race.
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
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Post Number: 184
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:58 pm:   

Allan why compare your Lambo with a 360 surely the Ferrari produced at the same time with comparable power, speed and cost was the F40, if someone has one could we see a video of your SV beating one!,

Nothing personal but having owned a few Ferraris and had an early Diablo loaned to me for 2 months I don't get the competitive arguments that are going on, after all their all fun cars, but suit different usage patterns

On a separate note, when you wash yours do you find the front luggage bin fills with water (found out the one I used did but only after going to the supermarket, lots of laughing as I tried to stuff couple of dozen bags onto the passenger seat!)
Ernesto (T88power)
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Username: T88power

Post Number: 1596
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:57 pm:   

A slot car is still faster around a track than a Diablo... at least slot cars actually race around tracks... LOL

Ernesto
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 725
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:55 pm:   

Hmmm, lets see, i guess we could do slot car racing with your Bburago model.
Ernesto (T88power)
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Username: T88power

Post Number: 1595
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:52 pm:   

I would, but your idea of a race is to go in a straight line on a public road or to quote magazine articles.

Ernesto
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 723
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:50 pm:   

Well, if youd like i can race your Modena and then we'd have video to post!

Ernesto (T88power)
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Username: T88power

Post Number: 1594
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:45 pm:   

Why dont you post a video of a Lambo winning a race? Sorry, forgot that video doesnt exist because they dont race.... LOL

Ernesto
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 720
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:21 pm:   

What do you mean? I thought for sure the Modena would win! lol

But then again this is all irrelevent, we dont care about speed, or hp.
JRV (Jrvall)
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Post Number: 1949
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:07 pm:   

Damn Allan ..stop rubbing it in.
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 716
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 7:53 pm:   

http://www.webmastertools.com/free/autoimage2/FerrariModenaF360vsPorsche911Turbo.mpg

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