| Author | Message | ||
| Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
Junior Member Username: Lomotpk Post Number: 58 Registered: 5-2003 |
Perhaps a slight return to the topic at hand. Would I be correct in stating that "Driver" quality TR's (meaning solid mechanicals, iffy cosmetics) are now in the $35-40 range? And for the sake of argument, by 'solid mechanicals' I mean that after a PPI performed by someone like JRV the inspector's comment was "wow, mechanically this car is in pretty good shape, not like the usual c**p I see." | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6064 Registered: 8-2002 |
Guys, JRV can talk the talk and walk the walk. He knows his stuff and will make no excuses for it. He may be pricy on some things but like EVERYONE in the work place, you should expect to get paid for your knowlege and experience. Why should JRV charge less then what his experience dictates? You get what you pay for. If you take your car to "Bondo Bobs" for rust work, you are going to get crappy service. Would a Dr accept $10 per hour? A lawyer $15? No because they paid there dues and expect to get paid what there education allows them to. I see no difference. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1612 Registered: 11-2002 |
Mark, There is one aspect of this that I think you are missing. Shouldn't we, as exotic car owners (or ex-owners in my case) know better? I mean, there's fun in bitching and moaning about how temperamental our cars are and how they require constant fussing about. But when it comes down to it, you know it won't be a Honda to maintain, or as cheap to get parts for as a Chevy. Play within your means. It's OK if you overstep them, as long as you acknowledge you have done so. You want to see disastrous miscalculations and poor budgeting for toys? Saunter over to the recreational boating scene. I've seen people get buried 100s of thousands of bucks, not just 10k. >>I think JRV is looking for the guy that ask "how can we do the best job on my car?" << Given his extremely competitive pricing and track record with some pretty special cars I think he can do that because chances are he's already addressed the cost efficient clientelle. Someone with his experience should be able to charge twice as much. In some cases people who are not nearly as qualified are charging easily thrice what he is. I have heard of some people, actually some FChat people, trailering their cars across a couple of states to get it to JR's shop. Funny thing is that they live in exotic car world ground zero in the US (CA)! Cheers | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 568 Registered: 10-2001 |
JRV methods, reminds me a bit about a business I use to run. I was in the service industry for luxury products. Two guys would come into the store and one would ask "How do we do this right?" the other guy would ask "How much?" Sometimes I didn't have time to help everyone, so I picked the first guy to spend my time with. When working for many years on long complex projects, with wealthy individuals, you look for the best customers to invest your time with. I knew a lot of guys that got rich by being cheap (tracking every penny), and I knew a lot of rich guys that were sucessful because they knew there is more to life then squeezing pennies. I think JRV is looking for the guy that ask "how can we do the best job on my car?" After 30 years in a job, sometimes you want to do more then just make money. You also don't want to deal with people that are going to take the fun out of your work. There is more to it then that... I know. But I wanted to bring out this aspect because i know it well. | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 408 Registered: 2-2003 |
My brother has been a machinist and engine builder since 1975. Everything from marine diesels to 800 HP sprint car engines. On the other hand I have been buying, building and repairing cars since 1972. I can assemble an engine by the book and to the specs as well but when it comes down to building an engine that I can beat the hell out of while getting MAXIMUM HORSEPOWER AND LONGEVITY then I send it to THE EXPERT. It's that simple. I don't have the back ground and expertise to do the 'blueprinting' he does or for that matter the 'improvements' on the original design. Education is NOT the same as experience! I do what is within my EXPERIENCE, otherwise I'll pay the extra up front to the expert once than pay myself twice for the same job. DJ | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 213 Registered: 4-2001 |
JRV, sorry about your dog but you don't need to lash out on everyone | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1985 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>No, it's not rocket science even on a Ferrari, but the experience of a good pro should not be discounted.<< Thank You..someone who's seen both sides of the coin. And Rob FYI I'm at home waiting for the Vet to show up to put my 13 1/2 yr old dog down!!!! Yea I know I could save $$$$$$$$$$$$ by just shooting him in the Head !!!!!! Let the cheap asses save the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...money is not my GOD !!!! | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5227 Registered: 5-2001 |
I don't know.... without knowing much about the car it is presumed that the service is done wrong. I guess that is what you get for listing it low. The 30K was done in 2/2002 so it is a year old. The clutch was replaced including slave at 35,380Miles Any case....whatever! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5628 Registered: 12-2000 |
I think that last post is good JRV and I think most everyone will agree with you. However, if you stayed in the shop and let someone else handle the business, phone, and internet. I'm sure you would be world renown and have more business than you knew what to do with. | ||
| p8ge (P8ge)
New member Username: P8ge Post Number: 27 Registered: 1-2003 |
JRV, who cares if you have worked for 30 yrs. it could have been 30 yrs of horrible work or good work for that matter. A 30K service includes certain parts to be changed and replaced as per owners manual. Mark asked you for a price on a 30K service and you keep on avoiding the subject by implying how good you are. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1058 Registered: 10-2001 |
Frank, while your point on complexity seems correct on the surface, I have learned it's not quite that simple. My silly little 30+ year old Lotus TC engine is really basic stuff, but working on it requires a lot of experience to get it right. There is zero margin for error on lots of stuff or it will leak, or self destruct in some amazing way. Someone who has rebuilt TC engines will know all kinds of things to look out for that even a Ferrari mechanic may not know. And this is ancient technology. People who do their own work learn some tricks over time; a pro does this as a pro and should know a hundred times more than even a really talented DIY guy. Not to say the DIY guy shouldn't do his own work; I do as much as I can on my Lotus and am no expert but I've learned a few things specific to my car and saved big bucks. No, it's not rocket science even on a Ferrari, but the experience of a good pro should not be discounted. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1984 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Whatever price he would quote sight unseen would be misleading. Either the car needs a ton of work and will cost $8-10k (more?) and scare everyone off with better cars, or he'd say $5k and have a POed customer if the bill is $10k. As for bedside manner...well I'll take an SOB who does good work over my ex Lotus guy who was rather slipshod but my "best buddy".<, That's exactly it. I'm not the slightest bit intimidated by yahoos trying to force their personal fixations with price on me. If they think I'm a SOB good...I certianly can be! And I will be an SOB when price fixators try to force getting something for nothing or force cheap shoddy work out of my shop. I'm the one that's been there done that and know the route..of course rookies that are learning at someones expence or doing mediocre work should quote less, they don't know the drill and need the work...and are unlikely to stand behind problems after the fact as they will cite ignorance that such & such should have been part of the service in the first place. I've got 30+ yrs at this under my belt..I know the game well! The cars don't care, they just need what they need to be done correctly and last.. | ||
| p8ge (P8ge)
New member Username: P8ge Post Number: 26 Registered: 1-2003 |
i am very confused. do you guys mean that no independent mechanic or ferrari dealer will quote a 30K mile serivce unless the engine is all apart. | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 493 Registered: 4-2002 |
Sean, if he does not want to that's his progative. all need to be said is " no quoted given on line" and not be label himself as gods gift to all f-cars | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2736 Registered: 9-2001 |
JRV, come now, while a TR is expensive and difficult to work on, it is hardly complicated. Most modern cars from Germany to Japan now have much more complicated engines with VANOS, VTEC and othet variable timing systems that make the TR engine seem like a Model T. But, you are correct , once you get in the engine they're no telling what you may find that needs attention, repair and/or replacement. On every Ferrari service I have had done something was found that needed replacement that was not normally part of the 30k service. | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 212 Registered: 4-2001 |
Reiner, with all do respect we did not ask him to share any of his secrets with us. simply asked him what he will charge for a 30K service? | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 263 Registered: 2-2003 |
I've talked with JRV and he has his reasons for NOT posting certian things on this forum. It's his choice and badgering him is not going to change his mind. Like I said, call him and he'll give you a quote, which he's already stated he does. | ||
| p8ge (P8ge)
New member Username: P8ge Post Number: 25 Registered: 1-2003 |
JRV, dued you are totaly wacked! | ||
| Reiner Kaiser (Reinerkaiser)
Junior Member Username: Reinerkaiser Post Number: 93 Registered: 2-2001 |
JRV I respect your professionalism and I appreciate the technical information you are willing to share with us on the list. I do not want to contribute to personal attacks that are very abundant here on this site ("junior high with a bank account"). Let me say this. I do enjoy working on the cars and I do believe that a lot of the preventive maintenance may not be necessary to the extent recommended by "professional" shops. There is a lot of stuff that knowledgable amateurs can do to save themselves tons of money... most of it not really rocket science... Thanks to guys like you, fat billy bob, rexrcr (to name a few) we (the hobbyists) can learn about the more intricate and unexpected issues and pitfalls, and avoid some if not all of the beginners mistakes. I did the 15k and 30k on my 348 myself, and just repacked the flywheel also (THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR HELP FAT BILLY BOB!!!) the 30k was two years ago, so far so good... I realize that if this kind of attitude catches on and more owners realize it's possible to work on the cars themselves, guys like you would lose their bread and butter, i.e. it IS in your best interest to maintain the Ferrari and Lamborghini mystique for that purpose. On the other hand, most of the owners (especially the later cars) have enough money and not that much time, and they will appreciate a job well done by a professional. | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 492 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ken, understand your point but a 30K service is still a 30K service and the price quoted will be for the 30K service only and no additiona. then why not quote your price? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1983 Registered: 11-2002 |
here p8ge & Eli, It's all in the q&a section & the archives. You need the links? Quote THIS !!! >>> Looks like the piston hit the valves and has bent them. Funny, the belts has less than 2,000 miles on them but they are 3 years old. (Belts replaced at a Ferrari Dealership) Looking into the cylinders, it seems very little damage to the pistons. We are probably going to embark on a journey into the unknown,(doing a valve job on a ferrari). <<< | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1057 Registered: 10-2001 |
I'm going to cut JRV some slack. Whatever price he would quote sight unseen would be misleading. Either the car needs a ton of work and will cost $8-10k (more?) and scare everyone off with better cars, or he'd say $5k and have a POed customer if the bill is $10k. As for bedside manner...well I'll take an SOB who does good work over my ex Lotus guy who was rather slipshod but my "best buddy". | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 491 Registered: 4-2002 |
Sean, what is the big deal of quoting him on the line? | ||
| p8ge (P8ge)
New member Username: P8ge Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2003 |
Mark, he is starting to kiss ass! that could be a good sign. but still no answer to your question. | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 262 Registered: 2-2003 |
Which is why I said, CALL HIM. | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 490 Registered: 4-2002 |
Sean, if you call any legitimate repair shop or ferrari dealer they will give you a quote on a 30K miles service. The 30K mile service for everyone is almost the same. then while the 30K miles is being done if there are additional issues which needs to be take care of will be discussed at that time. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1982 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>I'm really confused about this. Why not just answer Mark's question, if only in a ballpark range?<< I am not and have not addressed Marks questions. He seems like a realistic legitimate TR owner. I'm addressing the penny pinchers here and why the TR's are on ebay for under $40K..lack of profesional service for about 80% of all the cars out there. Most TR's are second hand these days and second hand buyers of TR's seem to be the single largest group short of 400i's that just have no intentions of properly maintaining the cars. I suppose they just see no value in putting money into maintanence after purchase. Because of that the prices decline, which precludes even more needed maintinance. I don't own a TR so I'm not the one creating the vicious cyce..I'm simply an observer of the phenomenom and explaining it. | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 489 Registered: 4-2002 |
Mark, you can't be serious! | ||
| p8ge (P8ge)
New member Username: P8ge Post Number: 23 Registered: 1-2003 |
Mark, take it to Shelton. they might charge a bit more but at least their work is done right and they stand behind it. JRV, don't know what you are smoking but whatever it is, please stop it. it is effecting your limited brain functions. we all asked you what do you charge for a 30K service and all we get is gossypal about how good you are. by the way i would not let you touch my car with a 10 ft pole and please do me the honor of taking my name of your ferrari list. | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 2383 Registered: 4-2002 |
MARK I KNOW TIM STAFFORD IN LAUDERDALE IS GREAT, ALSO ASK ERIC EILAND HERE ON F0CHAT..HE IS UP IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS, OR SIMPLY ASK MARTIN NICE WEEKEND, BRUCE | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 185 Registered: 4-2002 |
Sean; I just called. He wasn't in yet. I left my office number. | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 261 Registered: 2-2003 |
I think what JRV is trying to say is that, IT WILL VARY, depeding on previous maintenence history, and what else is screwed up on the car (since as he mentioned the TR's have a terrible record for being maintenanced by thier owners). In other words, since he doesn't know what else may be wrong with your car, he's not going to give you a quote to do a half assed job b/c he has to keep it under $5000. If you really want to know CALL HIM. His web address is http://www.PinnacleMotorsports.com and his # is 713-682-0370. He already stated he'll give you a rough quote over the phone (and then you can hang up on him ;) | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 184 Registered: 4-2002 |
JRV: Why wouldn't you respond to my question? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1981 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>JRV, well another $5K down the drain. CLICK; CLICK; CLICK<< You're type p8ge would not be welcome on my list of clients because you lack the inteligence to understand the value of Professional, Experienced, Perfect Ferrari Work..so you are religated to mediocore service establisments. When a Profesional does a Service on a Ferrari, the Responsible, Legitamate, Profesional Service Shops understand that the Liability encurred under THE WARRANTY far exceeds the money payed for work..by many fold... Therefore True Profesionals are in tune with what degree of perfection and experience it takes to service expensive machines and because of the quality of work, have essentially No Liability, because with perfect work nothing goes wrong. | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 183 Registered: 4-2002 |
Bruce: I am in Jax. I have a very good mechanic here and I may have him do the major on the M. Otherwise, I will likely send it to Shelton and let Franco do it. Any other ideas are welcome. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Junior Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 193 Registered: 9-2002 |
Just read Martin's Add "We have service records including the 30K service at 33K Miles in 2/2002" so guess JRV's ticking was just his pacemaker! | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 797 Registered: 11-2001 |
JRV, Do you not give quotes before starting work? Do your customers just drop off the car and say "make it work?" I'm really confused about this. Why not just answer Mark's question, if only in a ballpark range? | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 488 Registered: 4-2002 |
JRV, what are you talking about? Mark just asked you how much for a 30K service? | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Junior Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 192 Registered: 9-2002 |
As enthusiasts shouldnt we be thinking that a $40k Testarossa is a bargain the same way that the cheap Dinos, 275�s 250 Lusso's GTO's GT SWB's etc were, after all if you can't afford to run it don't buy it, that way the price will come down enough to justify the high maintenance costs (IE total cost of ownership compared with comparable modern cars) | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1980 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>I would NOT mind doing the belts etc. myself.<< Of course not, because that way you don't have to pay a Real Mechanic to go thru the thing in a profesional manner ...replacing all those extra parts that the pro will want to replace (because he knows what will crap out before the next service interval)thus pinching pennies is easy because of complete lack of knowledge and experience, and what the heck if you have to do it yourself over & over...after all it's cheap to work for free in the driveway. The truth however is, it is Extremely Rare that a complete novice can address all the neccesary issues a profesional can and perform the Service ONE TIME on extremely complicated machines and have it last for years and years into the future..being DRIVEN...Really Driven. The difference between myself and many of you is, I NEVER Underestimate How Hard the Work Is, How Complicated the machines Are, and How difficult and degree of experience it takes to do perfect work. Additionally I know the difference between Perfect and so so. | ||
| p8ge (P8ge)
New member Username: P8ge Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2003 |
JRV, well another $5K down the drain. CLICK; CLICK; CLICK: | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 2381 Registered: 4-2002 |
MARK WHERE IN FLORIDA ARE YOU?? | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 182 Registered: 4-2002 |
Eli: I know. Its just that when Jeremy Lawrence was here in Jacksonville last weekend to pick up his "new" 308 he raved about this JRV guy. I also have family in Houston so I could even spend some time when the car was being worked on. Given his attitude, I guess not. | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 486 Registered: 4-2002 |
Mark. i am sure there are plenty of legitimate Ferrari shops in Flordia or just have the dealer do it. why would you want to sent your car to Texas? I am sure Martin will have plenty of recomendations for you. | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 181 Registered: 4-2002 |
Frank: Thanks for the numbers. JRV: Do you always ignore legitimate questions from potential customers? I was just asking a serious question, looking for some guidance and since you came highly recommended I thought I would pass this by you!! I guess you aren't interested ? | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 485 Registered: 4-2002 |
Mark, two years ago i had my TR done at the local F-dealership for $4K. P.s. please keep that a secret | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 2380 Registered: 4-2002 |
JRV JUST READING YOUR IGNORANT POSTS TO A SIMPLE QUESTION.. I CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT YOU..MATT LEMUS GAVE YOU AN A PLUS RATING ON THE WORK YOU DID ON HIS BOXER AND SAVED HIM MANY $$$$$$$ IF SOMEONE ASKED ME, " HEY BRUCE WHAT DO YOU CHARGE FOR A AA ALKALINE BATTERY", THERE IS A SIMPLE ANSWER SIMPLE QUESTION, IGNORANT , REDNECK ANSWER...IM SORRY.... BRUCE | ||
| Reiner Kaiser (Reinerkaiser)
Junior Member Username: Reinerkaiser Post Number: 92 Registered: 2-2001 |
guys let's face it, the body work on the (old) TR's IS a little dated, but gosh I would love to own a fast 12cyl Ferrari!! In black, with the cheese graters removed, maybe with Koenig body work... updated 18 inch wheels with WIDE tires ...tubi... AWESOME!!! One of these days... I would NOT mind doing the belts etc. myself. Otherwise I understand that these engines are actually quite sound? Hey JRV, what's wrong with Home Depot cinder blocks? :> | ||
| p8ge (P8ge)
New member Username: P8ge Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2003 |
Mark, if i were you, i would not want this guy to touch my car. can you believe his post! | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1979 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rick you're funny, what's too much? Anything right! After all Bla Bla will do it for Bla Bla...and he can do the whole thing in Bla Bla hours...Bla Bla Bla...Bla Bla Bla...Bla Bla LOL...I've heard it so many times I just don't take any of the whining seriously ...but it does explain $39,500 reserve on Ebay ;-)!!! The mere fact that this thread "has FIXATED" on price of a 30K service tells the whole story...the cars are unbelievably & notoriously under serviced...and represent TICKING TIME BOMBS...here catch...HotPotato coming your way (cheap). | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2735 Registered: 9-2001 |
Mark, for comparison, when I had a 30k service done on my 1986 TR several years ago by an independant shop, Terry Girome, I was charged around $5300.00 which also including replacing the clutch slave cylinder. | ||
| Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
Junior Member Username: Lomotpk Post Number: 57 Registered: 5-2003 |
JVR, actually I'm reasonably serious. If a TR-driver is $35-$40, with 7K/18months since the last major, then if you have a $50k budget, these things 'could' start to look reasonable. I was under the impression from the "Best $50k Ferrari" thread that $50k would get you a TR but that you were SOL as you would have no maint/service reserve to work with. This sounds like a $10-15K difference from what what discussed before. I'm not trying to weasel, or act all smart and wealthy, this just sound like new information. Regards, Lomo t.P.K. | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 211 Registered: 4-2001 |
Jrv, no one asked for any secrets. just a simple question, what do you charge for a 30K service on a TR? was wondering why all the clicks ? | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 180 Registered: 4-2002 |
JRV: My questions were serious. I heard many good things about you from Jeremy and I would seriously contemplate sending the M out to you, especially if you might be able to help me with some performance enhancing changes at the time of service such as Cam timing adjustments or other thoughts. Please let me know how to contact you. Thanks, Mark | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1978 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'll go ahead and give up the TR Maintanance Secrets..... How Much for a 30K service on a TR ...?? Sir, let's skip the chit chat..and cut to the chase... 1- Barnes&Noble for the book on how you can do your own belts 2- Home Depot for the Cinder Blocks to put it on 3- Sears for the tools you'll need. 4- Yes you should probably splurge and change the filters while your at it. ;-) | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 179 Registered: 4-2002 |
JRV: Realistically, how long would you say the belts should hold up assuming say 3,000 miles per year and the car is well cared for? I also am interested in your price for the 30k as I have a F512M which will likely need one in the next couple of years. You came highly touted by Jeremy Lawrence by the way. Thanks, Mark | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 210 Registered: 4-2001 |
Jrv, why wouldn't you answer the question? could it be that you are charging to much for the 30K service thus the CLICK. | ||
| Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
Junior Member Username: Lomotpk Post Number: 56 Registered: 5-2003 |
JVR, On a $20k engine job (which I assume is a rebuild due to broken belt related damage) What percentage is parts versus labor? I'm sure there are threads I can search, but... | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1977 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>>jrv, what do you charge for a 30K service on a TR?<<< TICK, TICK, TICK, TICK, TICK, TICK, TICK Depends, how close are you to the last TICK and a $20K engine job? ;-) Yea I know, next question, well how much for an oil change then? ;-) | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 404 Registered: 2-2003 |
The analogy of '....the last tick of the ticking time bomb' was the first thing that entered my mind (or something similar) when I read this thread. But is it accurate? | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 403 Registered: 2-2003 |
"Click" | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 209 Registered: 4-2001 |
jrv, what do you charge for a 30K service on a TR? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1976 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>So for 40,000 drive it till it needs new belts then part it out....lol.....<< or part with it..;-).. but how does one (all) who refuses to do service know when the last tick of a ticking time bomb will tick? ...;-) >>One small leak at the front of the engine? 10,000.00 fix? << LOL...not that much, however I get at least 30 phone calls a year inquiring about the price of a 30K service...when I give the answer all I hear is "click" ! or on a lucky call, well how bout an oil change then !!! LOL | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 534 Registered: 3-2002 |
Bruce: I cannot be seen with a neon lime green hat and red feather in cars like that. There is a limit on how low a professional poseur can go. A professional knows a Gremlin is not going to cut it. "Even with a wing and off road exhaust." | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5625 Registered: 12-2000 |
This needs to be Jim Schad's car, too bad he just bought a 740. Darn babies get in the way. At least it would be warm in the back seat of a TR. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 314 Registered: 5-2002 |
I know quite a few TR were manufactured, but why have they sunk so low? I think they were very fast cars when introduced, and still are, and they are very civilized. I enjoy mine quite a bit. As for service, just the normal services are not that bad...belts are expensive. So for 40,000 drive it till it needs new belts then part it out....lol..... | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 2379 Registered: 4-2002 |
RALPHIE ILL SETTLE FOR A VEGA, PACER, OR GREMLIN  BRUCE | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 401 Registered: 2-2003 |
JRV, One small leak at the front of the engine? 10,000.00 fix? DJ | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2109 Registered: 7-2001 |
Jim Schad, your TR is here.... | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 533 Registered: 3-2002 |
Bruce that is cute. Perhaps you also have a similar deal in mind with a Corolla ? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2733 Registered: 9-2001 |
When I mentioned that I saw a TR for sell for less than $40k to the sales manager at FOA, he said, "...how many to you want for that price ?..." | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1973 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>The reserve is rediculously low at $39,500! <, Sorry Martin but that's all they're bringing. Most expensive to service & under serviced cars since the 400i, couple that with the cancellation of Miami Vice and you get apathy. | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 2378 Registered: 4-2002 |
MARTIN YOU HAVE THE YEAR 1900 LISTED INSTEAD OF 1985.. ILL OFFER YOU BATTERIES FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE ON A BARTER SYSTEM FORE THE CAR.. NICE WEEKEND BUDDY BRUCE | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 484 Registered: 4-2002 |
Martin, the add reads 1900 ferrari. need to change the year. I know it's too early. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5225 Registered: 5-2001 |
just put the car on e-bay. The reserve is rediculously low at $39,500! This car has to go have others coming and need the room! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2424364541 |