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DJParks (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 277
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 2:31 pm: | |
Hi Andy,
Thanks for the offer on the fans. That is a good deal but if these fans I have don't work out I am going to a Hayden twin 12" set up that was recommended to me by the owner of a '79 here in the area. I know it is not a stock set up but I am willing to settle for twice the airflow while compromising authenticity. My mods are usually reversible on this car so no harm done.
Paul, Thanks for the number on the NOS brush. This is the first I've heard of their availability. Is there a recommended source?
Thanks all, DJ
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Skip Hendricks (Skiph)
New member
Username: Skiph
Post Number: 2
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 9:54 am: | |
I am new to this sight but I have a pair of cooling fans from an 85 308qv that run fine that I will sell for $200 if anyone is interested. |
Paul (Pcelenta)
Member
Username: Pcelenta
Post Number: 343
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 12:51 pm: | |
DJ I just rebuilt mine this past rainy NY weekend...was able to find a NOS Lucas brush (part # WKB102) set and holder...my old brushes were almost down to the wire...I had all the crap and rusty looking stuff in mine too...cleaned it with CRC electric parts cleaner...cleaned any oxidation off the bushings put a small dab of grease on the bushings and slapped it back together..also sealed the leads with silicon to prevent water from getting in the case...ran it for the first time yesterday and it was super quite....There is a company called Coolcats that makes a high output lucas fan for e-type jag's apparently it flows 900 cfm...they are currently working on a fan for the Series III e-type 11 inch blades that is the same one used on the 308 ferrari. |
Andrew A. Illes (Andyilles)
Junior Member
Username: Andyilles
Post Number: 73
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 12:07 pm: | |
Hi DJ..
I have a pair of the Lucas fans out of my old '76. They ran fine, but in S. Fla., I needed more cooling. $150 for the pair seems fair. Let me know if you're interested.
[email protected]
Best regards,
Andy |
Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Member
Username: Pupz308
Post Number: 372
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 1:53 pm: | |
Guys,
I've picked up Charles' 308qv fans from eBay.
Thanks Charles.
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DJParks (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 268
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 12:09 pm: | |
Thanks Charles, I am going to see how these stock fans work first then decide which way to go from there. DJ |
Charles I Claussen (Atlantaman)
Junior Member
Username: Atlantaman
Post Number: 180
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 9:06 pm: | |
just posted 2 OEM 308 4v fans on ebay if oyu need them |
DJParks (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 263
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 6:03 pm: | |
Nothing wrong with refurbishing perfectly good/crappy cooling fans. I am going to reinstall mine and run them til they drop. If I run into any overheat problems I'll retro fit the Hayden fans this winter.
Going to Vancouver on the 15th?
DJ |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1417
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 4:54 pm: | |
Yeah, I have to resurface them, as apparently they fit 90 deg wrong. These are the first ones that I have found with a square cross section. All othere have been (incorrectly) retangular.
I don't know why I'm doing this, as I have a QV fan on the shelf. I guess I'm just cheap and can't stand to see a rebuildable motor go to waste. |
DJParks (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 261
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 4:04 pm: | |
Did you order the 'recurve to fit' type? I didn't have any measurements so I couldn't deviate from the Pantera type.
DJ |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1415
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 2:26 pm: | |
You called just ahead of me, DJ. I ordered some brushes a while ago, and the guy said that he just got off the phone with a guy from WA. At first he thought I was you calling back.
Bought 2 sets. |
DJParks (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 260
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 1:53 pm: | |
Sorry, Faux Pas (sp?) noted, DJ
1978 Ferrari GTS |
Russ F (Russf)
Junior Member
Username: Russf
Post Number: 127
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 1:07 pm: | |
As a matter of posting etiquette especially from those who want advice if they could specify the model incolved. Parks wants advice on fans for his Ferrari-presumeably-but make us look up his profile to find out the model. |
DJParks (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 259
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 1:01 pm: | |
Finally extricated the L/H cooling fan out through the grill opening and disassembled the motor. The armature was coated in rust, the commutator was burnt black from arcing and the motor case was full of heavy corrosion. The brushes weren't worn out but were jammed in the brush retainers with dirt and corrosion hence no contact...............and it ran that way!
The other fan is coming out tonight and I just ordered the brushes from C&S Auto per the info on this thread. Hope this does the trick.
Thanks again for the tips and info.
DJ |
DJParks (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 258
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 2:36 pm: | |
I know running a hot wire sounds like an unscientific way of doing things but it is a good way to eliminate one possible source of the problem, the supply. It will also highlight another possible source of the problem, the ground. That process of elimination thing.
I agree with the volt meter test (if I can get to the motor) but I am also concerned with amperage draw. I have seen 12v at a terminal that couldn't carry any amperage.
Can't wait to get home and check this out.
Thanks,DJ
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Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1392
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 2:01 pm: | |
Probably not necessary to run a hot wire to the fan. A volt meter check should tell you if you have 'juice'. Note also that the fan circuit is grounded to the frame near the fans. Look for a bad connection here, too.
Fuse box: I'd do a carefull inspection. Meltdown problems are common. Been there, done that! |
DJParks (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 257
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 11:41 am: | |
Thanks guys, I plan on jacking the car tonight and run a hot wire to the fan (L/H) to see if it is indeed the motor or something else. I noticed the other night night that it did run for a while but not at top speed and not at a steady rate.
Is access through the grill sufficient or am I going to have to pull the front valance/dam? My hands are too big to reach down from the top.
On another note; At the time the fan malfunction showed up a chirping noise would sound in the area of the fuse block when the key was turned to the on position. At times while driving the chirping noise would repeat itself for a few seconds and quit then do it again a few minutes later. It is definately in the fuse block/relay area. Do the fans run off of a relay? Coincidence?
Thanx all, DJ |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1380
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 5:46 pm: | |
Found a great reference:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/256120/131143.html
OK, I totally brainfarted about the Harley thing. The thread references Pantera. Harley, Pantera, same thing, right?
There is also a link to a "How To" on overhauling the motors. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1378
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 5:27 pm: | |
Yeah, Matt. That described my old fans: One was intermittent (flicker), the other was REAL slow (dim).
BTW, checked the Owner's site. Much cheaper. Lucas at just over #200 (that '#' is pounds), and "QV" at around #100. Interesting thing is that if you look up the older cars - such as the GT4 - they list the original fan with a note that you can use part number XXXXXX - which is the newer fan. In other words, for the older cars they show both the expensive crappy fan, and the cheap, newer, good fan. |
"The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 4952
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 4:49 pm: | |
Lucas - Off, Dim, Flicker |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1377
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 4:45 pm: | |
Matt: Don't know about the radiator, but the fans bolt right in.
DJ: The brushes in the Lucas motors are square in cross section. Someone around here found a usable substitution - somehow I remember Harley motorcycle, but I could be TOTALLY off base. I'll be doing an archive search shortly, as I'm also in the midst of a Lucas overhaul.
The last time I did one, I used some brushes matched up from a local parts store. Have the box right here in front of me: "Filko J10" They are rectangular in cross section, but a close fit. You'll have to file the sides just a touch to make them work smoothly.
Last that I heard, you can't get the official Lucas brushes. Might be worth a try, tho. I know that you can get the fans, and they are about 3 times the cost of the "QV" fans. I got QV fans from T. Rutlands for $200 ea. This was before the F-Owner's site, I haven't checked them. |
"The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 4943
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 4:34 pm: | |
I was thinking about getting the QV radiator and fans. It's a different layout but it should fit. |
DJParks (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 256
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 4:32 pm: | |
Hi Hans,
I don't mind the fabrication as much as the price of the QV fans. It is my understanding the Haydens push a lot more than even the QV's. That I am not against.
I would like to try the brush replacement first though as my car runs quite cool most of the time and if I can get through the summer with the old fans I'll fab the new ones this winter.
Brushes through our usual sponsors?
Thanx, DJ |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1376
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 4:11 pm: | |
The newer "QV" fans are a direct replacement - other than putting on new wire connnectors. So if you don't want to do the fabrication needed for the Haydens, that may be the way to go.
Also, usually it's only the brushes in the Lucas motors, and they're not hard to replace. Real cheap fix. |
DJParks (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 255
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 4:07 pm: | |
Hayden #3680. Nice looking fans at a good price. Thank you Charles.
P.S. I tried a search previously and the only reference I got to a Hayden fan was from my own question. Obviously my computer ineptitude is showing.
Thanks again, DJ |
Charles I Claussen (Atlantaman)
Junior Member
Username: Atlantaman
Post Number: 178
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 3:55 pm: | |
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/245565.html |
DJParks (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 254
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 3:20 pm: | |
I just had one of my Lucas (Prince of Darkness) cooling fans die and was thinking of upgrading to the Hayden fans. Does anybody have the part number for the units that fit the best.
Thanks DJ |