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Jay Morris (Jm3)
New member
Username: Jm3
Post Number: 37
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 10:25 pm: | |
Exactly. With the tap guide I made out of the seamless tubing, it was easy. I did notice that, for some reason, Ferrari lists a 20x1.5 helicoil, and the Helicoil company DOES NOT. In fact I spoke to a sales rep at Emhart (mfg of helicoil), and she said they did not make that size.
Jay |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1555
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 6:41 pm: | |
There apparently is a helicoil kit specifically for this. Both an F-dealer and an independent F-mechanic mentioned this to me when I thought I had the stripped plug problem.
Big problem with either oversize plug or helicoil is getting it perpendicular so the gasket surface mates correctly. |
Jay Morris (Jm3)
New member
Username: Jm3
Post Number: 33
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 11, 2003 - 12:47 pm: | |
Update, no pics yet. My method for fixing it only took 10 minutes. I was done before I could grab my camera!
Ok, some background. Undo drain plug, all the threads come out, and there was no copper o-ring (the usual culprit). In retrospect, when I felt the plug "feeling funny" as I unscrewed it, I should have put it back in and undone the pan and drained the oil out the sides a la automatic transmission.
So here I am with a stripped out oil pan that looks like a complete pain to completely remove. I have a machine shop, and am a certified Tig welder with a nice Tig welder, but what a pain.
So with a little research, I find that there is no 22mm Honda drain plug to use as oversize on the stock 20 x 1.5 pan. I found that a Dodge Cummins Turbodiesel uses a real nice 22 x 1.5 plug, that looks very close to the stock Ferrari part in terms of clearance if not concours correct.
http://www.cgenterprises.com/images/1031m.jpg
I proceeded to get a 22 x 1.5 tap, and made a tap guide out of a piece of seamless tubing with an ID of 0.890 (1.125 x .120 wall).
I ran the tap straight into the oil pan, which I had loosened and lowered a bit. Threaded perfectly as the drill size for a 22mm tap is 20.9mm which is amazingly close to the size of a stripped out Ferrari oil drain hole.
I cleaned out the chips with brakekleen squirted in from the sides of the oil pan, and thats it.
I did shorten the Dodge drain plug to match the Ferarri, but I don't know if this was necessary. I did need to buy the Dodge drain plug gasket ($10!), but it is FAR superior to the Ferrari one, as it is a metal reinforced nitrile o-ring. The drain plug also cost me $10, and the Dodge dealer had several in stock.
Thanks again for all the advice, and I hope to drive my car this weekend.
Jay |
TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 4102
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 12:28 pm: | |
jay
there is also a sensor, if I am not mistaken
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/256120/77989.html |
Jay Morris (Jm3)
New member
Username: Jm3
Post Number: 32
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 12:18 pm: | |
Thanks. I was wondering about that. Jay |
TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 4098
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 11:25 am: | |
the end of the dipstick needs to be unhooked |
Jay Morris (Jm3)
New member
Username: Jm3
Post Number: 31
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 11:22 am: | |
As a quick search of the archives will tell you, I am not the only one who has removed the oil drain plug and had the threads come out with it.
I tried to take off the oil pan for the repair, but it only comes down about 3/4 inch, and doesn't want to come off. If anything it springs back up. The gasket is loose, no bent studs. I must be missing something! All help is appreciated. jay Morris |
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