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How to set the MAF screw accurately on Motronic 2.5...

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  1. Marco Bussadori

    Marco Bussadori Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2007
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    This also works on Motronic 2.7 as it is the same setup, but I only tested it on a Motronic 2.5 car.

    Install new or use known good O2 sensors.

    Note your original MAF numbers and if possible do a gas analysis looking particularly at the HC and CO numbers

    Warm the engine up properly (until Oil Temp is in normal operating range)

    Leave engine at IDLE for whole procedure from here... Disconnect the O2 sensors for 2 minutes before carrying out the procedure to ensure the ECU goes to open loop and all gases settle down. Connect a multimeter with the scale set to read milliVolts. Connect the positive probe to the black (if bosch) signal wire, and the negative probe to body earth if 3 wire or to the earth wire if a 4 wire O2 is used - ignore the heater wires as the system would already be at operating temperature. The O2 sensors GENERATE a voltage without a supply.

    S-L-O-W-L-Y turn the screw until the multimeter reads 465mV +- 5% - this is a slow and delicate process. On the Bosch O2 sensor .465V or 465 mV represents Lambda 1 (AFR 14.7:1) as n average between the oscillations of 100 mV (Lean) and 900 mV (Rich).

    Rev the throttle a few times, let it all settle down and repeat if the resulting numbers vary more than 5% and repeat a few times. You can do a GAS analysis looking for the HC count as well as the CO.

    When done, shut down, note the new MAF numbers and reconnect the O2, disconnect the ECU plugs/battery for 30 secs and then reconnect and fire the car up.

    FYI... when the car runs in closed loop (O2 connected) you can measure the O2 sensor's output to ensure it stays within the same RANGE on each bank, AND that it oscillates the same number of times per minute on both bank, this will tell you the O2 sensors are equally worn/accurate.

    I had one MAF at 343 and th other at 370 to hit the magic number on the O2 sensor output. This generated an identical CO and HC (within 3%) gas analysis from each bank when in open loop. The previously set "factory default" 383 ohm, had a difference of over 20% in the HC number and 15% on the CO.

    My $0.02 and a lot more balanced engine when in open loop.

    Marco
     
  2. No Doubt

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    #2 No Doubt, Jun 18, 2008
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    Nicely done! Bravo!




    Not to nitpick, but could you explain your averange n value of 465mV? I would have subtracted 100mV from 900mV to get 800mV, divided by 2 to get an average of 400mV, and added 400mV to 100mV to get a 500mV average n...perhaps I would have been doing it wrong?
     
  3. Marco Bussadori

    Marco Bussadori Formula Junior

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    Bank 5-8 520 ohm, 1-4 430 ohm to balance the O2 output on new set of plugs.

    The engine runs a lot smoother than when set to 383,, especially in the 2-3000 RPMs. The smell has also reduced dramatically.

    The "tune point" is when you see a quick drop from 800mV to 200mV for a VERY small variation in the CO screw setting, then going rich again (towards the 6-700 mV area) by 5-10 ohms. When you plug the O2 sensors back in, the output voltage oscillates between 900-100 mV about once every 2 seconds.

    This made a HUGE difference to the engine's smoothness at idle and low RPM's (partial throttle) - from a rumble punctuated by pops, to a deep regular hum.

    Marco
     
  4. ernie

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    The boy is GOOD!!!

    Marco my friend that was one VERY nice write up.
     
  5. Marco Bussadori

    Marco Bussadori Formula Junior

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    465mV is the voltage generated by the sensor when the exhaust is at stoichiometry... An arbitrary voltage, characteristic of all thimble zirconia sensors...

    Marco
     
  6. mj_duell

    mj_duell Formula 3

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    Hi Guys,
    I have a meter and I want to do this tune up on my 91 348. I just checked 1/4 MAF is 387 ohms, 5/8 is 384. The problem is I cannot get the caps off the MAF's. They are not blue either. They are silver colored metal. How do you remove these?

    Thanks,

    Mike
     
  7. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    You remove them by destroying them. They are pointless and protect nothing, anyway. They are meant to keep owners from altering the dealership's settings.

    There is only a hard metal screw behind them. You can drill a hole in each cap, stick in a wire, and pull each cap out. Or you can jam an icepick through them and yank them out. I was able to grab the edges of my caps and pull them out directly with long nose pliers, but that's not going to work for everyone.
     
  8. mj_duell

    mj_duell Formula 3

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    Thanks! They have been eliminated ;). Now for the tuning.
     
  9. rbellezza

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    Very nice indeed Marco !
     
  10. zc911

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    I just tried this today and both O2s are reading 710-720 which is way rich, and adjusting the MAFs makes zero difference. Why?
     
  11. Aris64

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    Even this an old thread I hope that you could respond. I am a little confused.... What should be the ideal point of tuning? A reading of 465mV or a reading of 800mV which JUST drops to 200 mV?
     
  12. Ferrarium

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    Drill then a machine screw to pull them out. Ive dome the metal and plastic ones.

    more accurate info here.
    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/maf-adjustment-and-open-loop.626174/
     

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