1977 400 GT Auto Chassis 20301 on CL

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  1. samsaprunoff

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    #1 samsaprunoff, Apr 29, 2012
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    Good day All,

    Just documenting these cars, as they come up...

    Two carbed Automatics in one week! Amazing!

    Cheers,

    Sam

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd/2976578835.html

    1977 Ferrari 400 GT Auto
    Color: Red Exterior with Tan Interior
    Mileage: 24943 KM
    Location: Monterey, CA USA
    VIN: ?
    Chassis: 20301
    Asking $33500 USD

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  2. intrepidcva11

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    Guys,I'm new here; curious to know if one ever sees 412's on this thread?
     
  3. samsaprunoff

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    Good day Seth,

    Indeed, 412's do come up from time to time, although not too often... I guess because not as many were made as compared to the 400 series (?).

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
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    #6 SCousineau, May 19, 2012
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    That is a lot of money ($33,000) in this market for a car that may need some attention to pass CA emissions. But, it presents well in the photos.
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    As the undercarriage photos show, the car lacks catalytic convertors. I have heard it said that the 400i can pass Smog Check without cats, but I am skeptical. A carbureted car would be even more of a challenge.
     
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    Good day Again All,

    Back on Ebay with a Buy it Now of $30000.00 USD...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-Ferrari-400-Red-Tan-Low-Miles-/221032882129?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3376961fd1

    The last Ebay Auction looked like it reached a bid of $15800 USD and then they cancelled the auction for some reason?

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
  10. brettski

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    i would much rather have a well worn original interior that i could nourish than what looks like greasey, ill fitting vinyl on this car...
    it may be leather, but it's still ill fitting and incorrect.

    however, trying to recreate what the craftsman at the Factory acheived is really, really challenging, as the inserts, which were deleted here, are a huge challenge.

    the best guy in the business up my way won't touch another 400 interior for a penny less than $15K, not including carpets, for which you need to add $2K...

    and that's if you do the re and re yourself.

    nevertheless, a 4 cam, carbed V-12 that looks decent is a ton of car for $30K, if it runs nice...my '78 400 A is still my clear favorite of all my Ferrari's at this point.
     
  11. samsaprunoff

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    Good day Brett,

    Just an FYI, but you can probably buy replacement seat skins from the company (tappezzerialuppi.com) that Ferrari uses (or did use) for a number of their interiors. I say this, as enquired about new seat skins for my BB (1200 Euro for a pair) and it was not a problem and so I am pretty sure they could do the 365/400 series too. If you do a search in the BB section you will find a post I did about this.

    In my case I ended up Leatherique'ing and redying my seats, as the leather was actually in excellent condition with only scuffs/scratches (no tears, etc) that the leatherique/redye process sorted out quite effectively.

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
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    #11 brettski, May 24, 2012
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    thanks Sam...but, you know, i find that with 'one-size-fits-all' seat covers, you end up with seats that look like they have 'one-size-fits-all' seat covers.

    there's a few big dollar restorations around here where 'covers' were used and it detracts from the finished product...period.

    i'd rather just spend the extra and let a good upholsterer do what he does best...custom upholstery.

    i'm happy you were able to work with your original leather...that's the best possible scenario.


    brett
     
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    It's sister!!!!! my 400 auto is 20337!!!!
     
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    This seller is regularly renewing its SF Bay Area Craigslist listing. The asking price is now $27,900. That's $5,600 below the original Craigslist price on April 29, and $250 more than the eBay Buy It Now price. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd/3130791168.html

    With four hours left on the eBay auction, and with 20 bids in the can, the current price is $15,100, with the reserve not met.
     
  18. Ashman

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    Lots of pictures of the 400A on the Mohr Imports website (linked on the craigslist ad) and it looks pretty tidy overall. A slight blemish and possible misalignment on the right front bumper but overall the car looks pretty good in the pictures.

    The underside looks like it was cleaned recently so it may be hard to assess what the leak situation is. The video of the engine start up sounds a little noisy to me, sort of "tappety" as if the valves might need adjustment.

    Mohr also is selling a 1999 456 GTA for $49,750 that looks pretty good although fans of more modern Ferrarsi may grouse about the "high mileage" at 33K!

    Anyone familiar with that dealer in Monterey, CA?
     
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    Bidding ended at $21,600, Reserve Not Met. Would we expect the reserve and the Buy It Now price to be the same?
     
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    Boy you're right about that interior Brett. Not only doesn't it fit but it also is stiched in the wrong places.

    I still wonder how hard this car was hit in the front end. It was popped pretty good.
     
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    For my future buying edification, how are you determining that it was hit on the front end?
     
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    You mean other than the picture of where the front bumper and valance have been hit?
     
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    My deepest apologies for trying to learn something.
     
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    Good day All,

    Just continued doc... and pricing info

    http://monterey.craigslist.org/ctd/3264694824.html

    Cheers,

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    #24 samsaprunoff, Feb 9, 2015
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    Good day All,

    20301 is now on Ebay...

    It sure presents well and the interior looks great!

    Cheers,

    Sam

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    1977 Ferrari 400 GT Auto
    Color: Red Exterior with Tan Interior
    Mileage: 79000 Miles / 25941 KM (Feb 4, 2014 from the invoice)
    Location: Jacksonville, Oregon USA
    Chassis: 20301
    Current Bid: $15000 USD

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  27. palmer_md

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    Something is odd with mileage. Invoice says 25,900 miles last Feb and now it has 79,000 miles. Could he have put 50,000 miles on it in one year?

    perhaps the invoice should have said 125,941 kilometers or 78,000 miles. As I'm typing this, this sounds like the most reasonable assumption.
     
  28. Ashman

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    Are those parts prices insane or what?

    2 high beam sealed beam headlights: $268.80 ($11 each at Autozone)

    2 low beam sealed beam headlights: $258.40 ($11 each at Autozone)

    More than $500 for four headlights that can be bought at Autozone for $44 (retail) is an outrageous markup.

    Just because a standard sealed beam headlight fits in a Ferrari doesn't mean that it should cost any more. Nice screw job!
     
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    Good day Michael,

    I forgot to include the ad's comments... (I am out of practice) which reflects your (correct) comments in your 2nd paragraph.

    Cheers,

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    Good day John,

    You saw that too... must be something pretty special about those lights ;)

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
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    That may well be since the odometer only goes up to 99,999 km before starting over again.
     
  32. Ashman

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    Makes you wonder what they actually did for $5,100 in labor (before discount, pang of conscience?) which would be 51 hours at $100/hr. That's a lot of hours.

    If "tune engine" includes a valve adjustment, which requires removing and refitting the carbs, I can see that but the actual work involved is pretty vague.

    Oh, yeah, $27.50 for "special freight" on the headlights! What next, a labor charge for opening the boxes they came in? LOL!
     
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    Well--regarding headlights they COULD have been NOS Carrello H4/H1s and NOT sealed beams yes?

    I don't put AutoZone sealed beams in anything....
     

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