488 GTB Spider trip and impressions

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  1. 458trofeo

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    #1 458trofeo, Jul 17, 2017
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    Carissimi, just got the 488 Spider.

    Rosso Corsa spec with Giallo calipers.

    Drove the car for about 6 hours and am keeping it for the week.

    Let me start by saying that I wish I had rented it for less time
    and am already ready to give it back as it feels commonplace and
    lackluster compared to my car.

    First impressions, all compared to my car: poorer interior build
    quality, poor throttle response, not so much more torque at least feeling-wise
    and torque only available when turbos spool up, poor sound, floaty handling,
    squeaks everywhere from engine and breaks (perhaps just on this car as it is
    a rental), side scoops look ugly in the rear view mirrors imho.

    No one seems to care less about the car, lacking in wow factor.

    Quite a depressing experience so far when compared to the 458 series it replaces.

    The turbo engine is the problem in my book, it makes the car so commonplace.

    As far as the incredible torque and power everyone is talking about, I am amiss
    to have experienced that so far.

    More to come as I am meeting a friend with a coupe in a few days and will give
    impressions upon that.

    In all fairness though, I am basing my impressions upon comparison with my 458
    which is heavily modded and almost 260 pounds lighter than a stock Italia.

    However, my biggest issue is that the car is just as not exciting to drive as an NA
    458 series cars and the main problem is the turbo engine.

    The heart of the car is just not as visceral as the NA model it replaces.
    And many would agree that the adjective that is most sought after or related
    to the marque is precisely 'visceral'.

    Positive points so far:

    The torque when turbos spool up is rewarding and the design, except for the Lambo-esque front
    which become always more so with repeated viewings, is ok.

    More to come!
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    #2 458trofeo, Jul 17, 2017
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    Day 1 in Geneva, Switzerland
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  3. Eilig

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    If the 488 represents the future of mid-engine Ferraris, I think its time for me to buy another 458 and keep it in reserve...

    Luca used to always say: "If you ask me which Ferrari is the best, I will always say THE NEXT Ferrari...."

    The 488 is the first Ferrari for which this statement does NOT hold true. No wonder Luca got out just before this thing launched.... :(

    The motivation behind building cars is certainly in process of changing for Ferrari... It used to be more about building 100% out of passion... But now that they are a publicly-traded company, they have shareholders to please as well... And nothing pleases shareholders more than profit.

    It is going to be impossible for Ferrari to 100% please PURISTS AND SHAREHOLDERS at the same time, as the motivating factors between these two distinct groups are clearly at odds with one another... To me, it sounds like the 488 is a physical representation of this fact.
     
  4. Eilig

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    I think that I just found one more positive point:

    You have a Spider, not a Coupe. Which means that the engine is not visible under glass....

    So here's the additional positive point: Since you can't see the engine, you don't have to look at those puny/wimpy, cheap plastic plenums. :)
     
  5. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Interesting impressions.

    I have driven both the Coupe and Spider and neither lacked torque, short shift into 7th and accelerate, plenty torque. Should one be short shifting in a Ferrari though....

    I just think the bar was set so high with the 458 that any replacement would have a hard time when compared to it.
     
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    Must have been something wrong with the car you had as the improvements over th 458 are not subtle
     
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  8. lamarmotte

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    I think he drove a 488 spider replica
     
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    #8 Rossocorsa1, Jul 17, 2017
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    Hilarious review. The 488 is an incredible achievement in design and technology (as is the 458). It has been heralded across the globe as a remarkable car and one of Ferrari's finest. There really is no need to bash one car in order to prop-up another. The 458 is fantastic in its own right. Enjoy it.
     
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    No. The 458 was fantastic, but coming up so many years later with a 458 that has holes in its bodywork wasn't too impressive. We all know they can do much better. No need to drink cool aid before a review.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA :) :) :)
     
  12. LVP488

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    I understand people may prefer a 458 but for me compared to the 488 the 458 is uselessly noisy and is lacking power.
    But I would also never have a spider, so my evaluation grid is different.

    I'm not sure why there seems to be this trend on fchat now:
    (some) FF owners bashing the GTC4Lusso
    (some) F12 owners bashing the 812 SF (which is actually ugly, but that's not a so good reason)
    (some) 458 owners bashing the 488
    ... just waiting for California owners bashing the new GT...
     
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    #12 Eilig, Jul 17, 2017
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    Could it be that Ferrari just isn't producing cars these days that are pleasing to their discerning customers' tastes? Certainly no longer having Pininfarina's involvement leaves a deficit in terms of the design portion of the equation...

    One does have a certain level of expectation for any newly released car that wears the badge of a prancing horse, after all.... What happens when that expectation is not being met? Perhaps something like you describe as "bashing"....
     
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    488 spider is a much better choice than the gtb. I actually don't mind the sound when the top is down.
     
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    It could be - in your case. The truth is, Ferrari is doing a masterful job, and virtually everything suggests that. And, I prefer that they design in-house now. It actually adds allure to me. I'm quit sure if the LaFerrari was penned by Pininfarina, its few (very few) detractors would think it is amazing.

    Sure, there are some that don't like the 488, or the 812, or the LaFerrari. Some, that is. I'm certain the 275's were likely seen as horrific by the 250 faithful at one time. I'm quit sure that the Testarossa was considered awful by the Boxer crowd. I clearly recall 308 lovers hating the 328, and so it goes. To me, the 458 is masterful, but it was always missing the aggression I desired. So what? That doesn't mean it isn't a great car. They're never going to please everyone all the time, but to suggest that Ferrari is some also rand is frankly humorous.
     
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    488 GTB Spider

    who know such a thing existed...
     
  18. RCorsa

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    This is silly. There are a few on here that hold thier 458s and since there is nothing to talk about a 7 year old car they own, they feel the need to bash the latest car. I honestly think this is the equivalent of "fake news". Of course we can all have our opinion but as someone who has owned the various versions (coupes and spiders of the430,458 and 488) there is no question the evolution has been spectacular. 488 is the king for now.
     
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    You compare the 488 with Lola, which is not a fair comparison (National Guard vs Navy Seals). :)

    Enjoy Europe!
     
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    ROFL at this review
     
  21. 100badboy100

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    same old people

    Same old story...

    Move on......and leave them to it...

    I'm surprised most of you actually fall for there posts, they only do it as a wind up....!!!

    Best way to put a stop to the nonsense is stop replying to the posts......

    Regards

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    This + 10000
     
  23. Jackp6

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    Huh, no spider, why live? I personally like the sound of a 458, otherwise drive a Tesla
     
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    Plus another 10,000.
     
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    You're right. I'm guilty as charged.



     
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    ...and I drive a Tesla.

    And had 458, Speciale and now 488 Spider.

    I am stunned how good and loud the 488 Spider is.

    But lets be transparent here...Lola is not a normal 458 Italia. It's THE 458 and sounds amazing compared to stock. Not a fair test Carlo! ;)
     
  27. Lukeylikey

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    Don't mean to offend but this has to be a loaded review - I understand; if you have built a bespoke car at great trouble, love and expense you are entitled to be a little partisan. This is a passion after all. And no one can contradict your view about appearance because everyone likes what they like. But can't feel the extra torque?!

    You're talking up to 760 through lower gearing v 540 or so with the 458. You absolutely can feel it and I still have a 458 Speciale and a 488. Floaty suspension compared with 458? I don't think so - 488 is far ahead in that respect. Even throttle response, while not at the level of the Speciale, is close to the 458. This is remarkable, given that the other benefits of turbo are also present.

    I plan to keep the Speciale, in part because of n/a engine, but let's not pretend the 488 motor is anything other than an absolute revelation.
     
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    +488458 ;)
     
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  30. Eilig

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    Apparently yours isn't the only one... see 2:20 in this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZmiTKlkh84

    Quote from the video: "When you're driving along at moderate speeds, the carbon ceramic brakes make this (squeaking) noise... it's almost as though there's a nest of birds somewhere inside the car, and the mother has come back with a beakful of worms, and they're all going crazy tweeting like mad..."
     
  31. MisterMaranello

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    Stopped reading when interior called out for being poorer than 458... absolute BS

    I have driven 488/458 back to back to back many times. Regardless of your subjective prefences, the 488 is an objectively better car. End of story.
     
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    ... Only if you like squeaks from the brakes, and whistles from the (turbo) engine.
     
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    Troll.
     
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    Eilig- Grow up and read the posts in this forum

    Squeaky breaks are as much if not more of an issue on 458. The problem is equal on all CCM breaked cars

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503565

    Stop flogging a dead horse man !

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    That thread references brakes that squeak while braking...
    The issue referenced in this current thread relates to brakes squeaking while driving, and NOT while braking....
    Two entirely different issues...
     
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    Actually there is a point here. I have noticed this and tried to work out what is going on. It seems that there is a sort of pre-loading system on the brakes, a little like the 675 LT. You can see the elements that create this behind the disc - I think they are keeping heat in the disc during certain types of driving. It is not an issue, nor as loud as the 458's pedal-applied brake squeal, it just seems to be the advance of technology.

    As for noise from the turbo engine, turbo whine is very faint and often undetectable. The other noises are all good though. Even the turbo adds to the drama in some kind of way. There is so much performance on offer that this car will need to be well built and sturdy to take the punishment that motor can dish out. Happily, my 2 week old car, now with 2k miles on, is solid and beautifully built.
     
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    Luca says????
     
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    #37 Eilig, Jul 18, 2017
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    Luca Cordero di Montezemolo was a leader and a visionary... That alone made him a far more effective boss for Ferrari than Sergio. Add to that, his many years in racing, and his direct experience in working with Enzo Ferrari, and you have the ingredients and deep understanding for what has brought Ferrari to where it is today, and made many great cars along the way:

    This video highlights a few of the important things that "Luca says"...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Lb8phIBL8

    Be sure to pay close attention to the parts in the video where he talks about passion and design... and what SHOULD happen when you start the engine.
     
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    Please please give it a rest now and move on......


    Same old people

    Same old stuff

    Boring!

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    #39 cpiguy, Jul 18, 2017
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    Too funny! This thread gave me a good laugh :) :) :) :) :) :)

    Don't try and sell Carlo on the 488. Remember, his daily is a 15 year old BMW M3. This man had extraordinary taste!!!! xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo
     
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    surprised you feel that strongly against it
     
  43. AlfistaPortoghese

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    I had the opportunity to test drive the 488 very recently.

    As you may know, I love the 458 and I'm Carlo's friend: I truly respect his opinion, have learned a lot from him (and still keep learning), and Carlo has always helped me A LOT.

    Here's my personal opinion regarding the 488:

    - HUGE torque (50% more than the 458 and yes, you CAN tell! Wonder how long rear tires last)
    - HUGE speed (although it annoys me that I can rev it past 7k something rpm)
    - GREAT brakes (namely when cold, seem to be more effective than the 458)

    Long story short:

    - I think the 488 is much better than most negative critics are ready to reckon.

    - For those who are familiar to the 458, the difference isn't that big.

    And now, before you all kill me for writting that last sentence, please give the chance to explain:

    It's getting increasingly difficult to awe clients and increasingly difficult to get a tech breakthrough, as opposed to the 80s or 90s, when there was a lot of ground to cover in terms of engineering and aerodynamics, for instance.

    The difference between a given model and its predecessor is getting smaller. If you skip a model (for instance, go from an F430 to a 488, or from a Modena to a 458) yes, you'll be swept off your feet. Otherwise, in my personal opinion, I wouldn't pay extra for 100hp more and 50% more torque because the 458 has other attributes that are greater than ephemeral attributes.

    I would still have a 488. If a GTB, it'd be Giallo with Nero interior. If Spider, Blu Corsa. But only if it means NOT handing over my 458.

    Kind regards,

    Nuno.
     
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    I certainly not looking at the power increase but the style. IMHO the 488 looks better.
    Its a rear engine and not seeing nostrils on the side of the 458 was a huge negative.
    Front bumper too wedgy.
    Those horrible front fins.
    3 tail pipe is as attractive as the up and over on the California.
    These were MY issues not buying the 458.

    Amazingly the Speciale dropped all these its ? Hum . Maybe Ferrari thought the same as me ?
     
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    IMO the 458 looks better than the 488
    On the 488 I don't care for door handles
    458 has smooth body, vs 488 turbo intakes makes it less pleasing to the eye
    The front of 488 looks more like Lamborghini, I am Ferrari guy
    The 488 has the rear lights look like a black eye
    3 pipes on 458 very nice tribute to the icon
    The sound on 458 wow! Turbo can not come close, but 488 sounds good, not great.
    Inside is about same, ok buttons spaced differently on tunnel
    2.9 sec for 488 vs 3.4 ( 3.0 with launch control) to me not worth the extra$
    I agree with Nuno, not enough highlights ( actually more negatives) to jump ship ( go from 458 to 488)
    I will keep my 458 for now, and if all ferrari's now going to turbo direction I will not trade my 458 in the future. What's next CF tub, hopefully not.
     
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    We are all different . What I hate you like and vise versa , BUT as I said all those items were changed when the made the Speciale. coincidence ?
     
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    #45 Eilig, Jul 19, 2017
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    Did a warm-up run today in anticipation of your arrival... fino a domani! :) :)
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    #47 458trofeo, Jul 19, 2017
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    :)

    My Spider's spec is Rosso Scuderia btw ;)
    Here she is on day 2 :)

    Fwiw I think the car is a convincing long distance runner, engine
    comes to it's own on the freeway, especially between 6 and 7.5K
    redline.

    Pulls like a freight train over 120 mph, quite impressed with torque
    at high speeds and satisfying high pitch turbine wail in tunnels in the 6K +
    rpm range in

    Car feels somewhat unstable beyond 120 mph, and steering has some play.

    Still feel bad for whoever invested 350K + USD on this..

    Can't wait to try the coupe!!

    Ciao a tutti!!
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    Sympathy not required, thank you very much!!!

    xoxoxoxo
     
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    #49 458trofeo, Jul 19, 2017
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    No sympathy here my friend haha!!

    Great car to cover distance with, comes to it's own as a GT
    imho actually, fast and comfortable but so-so high speed handling.

    Other good point: I like the styling of the rear of the car and rear engine
    cover (cf last pic in my previous post) as much as I dislike the front haha

    Bottom line is that I would rather buy a Huracan Spider than a this any day
    of the week: never thought I'd say that LOL

    More pics to come!!!

    xoxoxoxoxo
     
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    Fwiw my Spider squeaks upon braking and when driving normally
    as well, perhaps an issue with both the brakes and the rear suspension
    being badly oiled or the like.

    I have come to accept this but the squeaks are so prominent that it is
    embarrassing in city driving, like driving with an army or crickets on
    board LOL

    She even squeaks when driving on the freeway at 70-80 mph..
    Perhaps GTB stands for Grande Topo Bello ;)

    Never had or heard of a squeak issue of such magnitude on a 458,
    save slight squeaks upon breaking that soon disappear.

    very best
     

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