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  1. isuk

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    #1 isuk, May 1, 2014
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    Another little project has been completed that may be of interest to forum members. I wanted to find good copies of the original grain of rubber heel pad mats for my cars. The version Luppi offer isn't correct but up until now was the best I could find. The ones sold by Mr Fiat which are sourced from Cicognani I believe are completely wrong. I then discovered that O'Rourke Coach Trimmers offered a correct mat for the passenger bulkhead mat but had never been able to find unmarked originals to make the two floor mat pads. I had a set of unmarked original factory mats so I duly despatched them to Rorky and he has used them to make perfect moulds. He can now supply full sets to order for anyone interested.

    These heel pads are correct for later M series models and all E series cars AFAIK. The same set was used for both RHD and LHD models by the factory. If you are keen to get the details correct on your car then these are highly visible items so very worthwhile getting right.

    He also made me a perfect copy of the clutch foot rest plate that was fitted to RHD cars.

    You can contact him via Shop - O'Rourke CoachTrimmers
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  2. TonyL

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    Beautiful work Iain, very impressed.
    I have ordered a set as mine were replaced some time ago with the wrong type
     
  3. Edward 96GTS

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    i believe reoriginals and luppi has these also.
     
  4. dinogtss

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    Hi

    I would love a set including the rhd bel pad let me know

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  5. BigTex

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    Fine work!

    I may need to sort that out myself, soon......
     
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    #6 jvj, May 1, 2014
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    You're right about later M cars Iain. RHD #01616 has the early foot pads with the wide pattern footrest, as in UK Motorsport Sept '71. Notice the "quality" of the original factory stitching along the top and corner of the passenger footpad. It's staying that way.
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  8. isuk

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    #7 isuk, May 2, 2014
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    As I said in my original post Luppi's version is not correct. I have a couple of sets of theirs and the grain is very different.
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    well done!
     
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    #9 synchro, Sep 21, 2014
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    I believe my ine are factory original heel pads and look a lot like Iains.
    Shop - O'Rourke CoachTrimmers


    Setting them into the same photo shows this:
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  11. need4speed

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    Do these pads just sit on the carpet? I would love a set.
     
  12. isuk

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    They need to be stitched into place.
     
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    #12 synchro, Nov 19, 2014
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    While those nicely shown pieces are correct for UK RHD cars, three of the four are also correct for LHD Dinos too. The exception and missing item is the clutch rest for LHD which is on the left and not reversible from RHD Dinos. Hence O'Rourke did not have the capabiliity to provide full sets of LHD Dino heel pads.

    But that is about to change.
    I contacted AJ at O'Rourke and offered him my two E series Dinos LHD clutch pads and he fab'ed up a mold. The first pieces should be ready soon.

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    I know this is not the right forum but Rob and AJ just did perfect repro mats from
    a very good condition one I supplied to them
    Great people to deal with
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    #16 synchro, Dec 6, 2014
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    Received in the mail today,
    US version clutch heel pads are now available and I'm quite happy about the high quality resulty - Thank you AJ
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    Received my clutch rest from AJ & Rorky today also - very pleased indeed :)
     
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    #18 isuk, Dec 6, 2014
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    My set installed in 07610 which has just finished restoration.
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    How do they attach to the carpet/matt Iain? Glued or what?
     
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    They are stitched in place Francis.
     
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    #21 synchro, Jan 2, 2015
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    and the carpet from O'Rourke
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    Iain, your car is just lovely. That interior....exquisite. Kind regards, John in CT.
     
  25. tx246

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    Are we looking at the same or different stuff?
     
  26. isuk

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    That is a roll of trunk carpet next to a roll of interior carpet.
     
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    #25 isuk, Jan 5, 2015
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    Thank you John. It's hard to capture in a reduced sized photo but looks great in real life.
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    Bump, same as the originals, Thanks Rorky!
     
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    I have a 308 and I'm looking for the correct style heel pads. I was wondering if the Dino and the 308s share the same size and style. Can someone verify that?
     
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    I can verify they do not.....
     
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    Ok. Thank you


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    I don't know my flavors of 308s but this one came up that you may want to look at for the heel pad alone at $62
    Ferrari 308GT4 L F RH Drive Dark Brown Mat 40182385 Algar Ferrari on Sale | eBay

    Looks a lot like a Dino but you'd have to heat weld a different edge profile which is probably easier to say than do.
     
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    I think it must be "by year" as the earliest 308GTB I had, the heel pad was a different pattern altogether..

    More "raised ribs", for lack of a better term...not just the shape outline itself....
     
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    Thanks!

    You can see now, what I was trying to describe...
     
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    So, mrfiat has them?


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    If you follow the link it says to allow three weeks for fabrication.

    They obviously have the molds.
    Most likely, supplied to Ferrari in the day.....

    These are the correct mats for the 308 (and others it seems)
     
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    can these be stitched to coco mats?

     
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    #38 DinoLasse, Apr 12, 2017
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    Based on the information in this thread, I ordered the driver's side heel pad for my (late) M series 246 GT from O'Rourke. It sounded like it should be the most correct version. The shop where my car is at the moment also had the Luppi version available. But comparing them side by side, we are not so sure anymore. I have three questions:

    - Were the original heel pads vinyl or rubber? The O'Rourke version is obviously rubber, the Luppi version is vinyl. I can only remember seeing vinyl pads for this generation, but I am not 100% certain. (I am aware that the 206 and L series were ribbed rubber pads, stitched to the carpet with vinyl edging)

    - Did the majority of the original pads have the corner cut-out with a larger than 90 degrees angle? The O'Rourke version looks like approx.105 degrees, the Luppi version a clean 90 degrees. (see photo below, O'Rourke's on the right). Which is closer to the majority of the original pads?

    - The O'Rourke pad is 10 mm wider than Luppi's version. Which is closer to the original size?
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  41. DinoLasse

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    Apparently nobody knows. Or perhaps nobody thinks it is relevant.

    The reason for asking was this: This initiative by isuk is commendable and the people at O'Rourke are very helpful and good to deal with, so one really wishes that the product would be perfect. And they do look good, and the texture looks correct. But the installer called me and voiced the concern over the three areas I mentioned, and asked me what to do. I was simply forwarding those questions to hear if anyone could shed some light on it.

    It is of course possible that we have yet another area where there are no absolute facts or truths available and it comes down to personal opinions or preferences. If so, fine.

    But at least, anyone ordering these items should be aware of the different materials and slight differences in shapes and sizes. At the minimum, I think that the pads on the driver's and passenger's sides should be of the same material, so both items should be ordered from the same source.

    In the case of my car, the passenger side already has a vinyl pad installed, so I will probably have the driver's heel pad ordered in vinyl, too.
     
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    The O'Rourke heel pads are moulded from the original set on my car #04054 which are in remarkably good condition as it was only a two owner car and the second owner removed the original set of mats from the car and kept them in storage for the 17 years he owned the car. They are made from rubber as opposed to the original vinyl but once in the car it is very hard to distinguish this material difference. The corner cut out exactly follows that on my original as does the width.

    Luppi's heel pads are made from vinyl but have an incorrect grain pattern. They are also narrower than two original heel pad carpets sets I have from two different Dinos. They may have either made up their version using an approximation of size, used an old set of heel pads that that had been stitched onto various carpets sets in their life thus corrupting the dimensions due to multiple stitchings, or possibly copied a set that were made by a different supplier during the Dino production run.

    The ideal would be for either O'Rourke to make their set from vinyl - sadly too expensive for such a low volume item, or for Luppi to change the grain on their version - again likely too costly to have a new roll of correct vinyl produced. I know from looking into having correct vinyl reproduced for making tool and jack bags just how expensive such an undertaking is.

    The end result is that it is down to the personal choice of an owner which way they want to go.
     
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    OK, I get it now. Very helpful. Thank you. / Lars
     
  44. need4speed

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    Did all Dinos ship with these heel pads? Mine didn't have them when I bought the car. And now, I'm in need of a replacement driver side (LHD) carpet. Thinking of including the heel pad once I find a carpet replacement. Any leads much appreciated.

    Manny
     

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