Italian WHEELS...'Campy', Cromodora, Melber, Momo, etc.

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  1. Mang

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    #1 Mang, Dec 24, 2015
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    Seems like a fitting topic. I'm an aesthetics and styling kook, and LOVED the myriad of wheel choices coming out of the big players, Campagnolo and Cromodora, largely due to Al Cosentino & Faza types back in the day. But there were many 'boutique' type companies turning out some beauties...

    I'm starting with a VERY elegant design from Melber, period maker in Italy for Italian and some British cars as well.

    Please post up your favorites.

    ...yes, still chasing center caps, been years :/
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    Love those here are some Campagnolo series two Iso rims
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    Nice, love those too. Here is the coveted 10" x 15" rear Campagnolo wheel as first seen on the beefed up GTS Pantera if I remember correctly? I also believe that center cap is correct for that particular wheel when on GTS?
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    #4 velocetwo, Dec 24, 2015
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    Ultra Rare AMX rims also used on the Iso Varedo
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    One of my favorite are the Campys on the Mangusta.
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    Here is another example. Very aggressive design that suits the Italian-American design perfectly.
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    The 'upscale' 'Campy' wheel on the exquisite Dino
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    No doubt, great looker that car, those wheels! Nice tire selection! I had this set done in gold for my former Mangusta show car.

    ps...the skinny one in the bag is the spare, just fit under the closed 'wings'
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    Tough to beat gold wheels on a 70s / 80s car. Gold OZs on a red Countach is especially killer.
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    no doubt
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    #11 velocetwo, Dec 24, 2015
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    The first Miura Jota rims were based on the Bizzarrini rim which was the widest rim at that time. Bizzarrini had a close relationship with Campagnolo and even had disc brakes and oil pans made for his cars by Campagnolo.
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    These are referred to as Campagnolo 'iron crosses' uber rare and true magnesium lightweights. They were featured as 'optional' in some Alfa literature near final production of the 'round/boat tail spider's. I held onto the 7 I have?? Ive taken the best 4 and applied first coat of gold anyway, thinking they will pop against silver spider.
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    Love these old rims, so much detail and design !
     
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    #14 velocetwo, Dec 24, 2015
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    Campagnolo
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    WOW!...some legends right there, looks like divided kinda like...Alfa, Detomaso, ?? , Fiat/Lancia?

    what is the car to the left in the photo? nose looks like a 'modded' Monteverdi?

    ...which had some awesome design wheels here...
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    no kidding, we grew up with... SLOT MAGS, lol
     
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    My all time favourite wheel.
    Pantera Campy's
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    #18 Mang, Dec 24, 2015
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    when you factor in the Vallelunga, Mangusta, Pantera variants, even Longchamps, Detomaso and Campagnolo teamed up on some all time great designs...

    Vallelunga's for reference. First shot are actual 'original' wheels and this particular Vallelunga is sporting some mystery VERY cool rims? Anyone recognize them? Staggered sizes, big deep dishes in the rear.
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    Calipers too...
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    It is likely an Alpine 310.
     
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    My latest fave, after finally seeing a "periscopo" in real life at the San Diego auto museum.
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    This would be from an early S1.
     
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    #23 velocetwo, Jan 16, 2016
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    Iso Rivolta - Bizzarrini this was Campagnolo's widest rim at the time made for the Rudge 42 spline with the same offset shared by Lamborghini
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    I have a set of those... But in the wider rare 7 inch. My other obscure wheels are the MM's
     
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    Great pic... I spot one a few of my wheels in the period photo.

    Sold these gr4 works wheels back to a fellow in Europe
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    Those are cool... They had a pin drive version for the urraco rally and a bolt on for the later gtam juniors that ran targa florio. Private teams also contracted batches of bespoke wheels for there own race teams like scuderia flippentti
     
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    #27 jarifinn, Jan 17, 2016
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    Those came with P4 kit car some 20 years ago from England. I been warming up to start building this project and trying to find out are they periodically correct and who really manufacture them?
    Any help appreciate it










    "Finn"
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    I agree!!!



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    .........I hope nobody will mind a slight detour.

    I'm looking for a set of 7.5x14 Cromodoras or Campys, "stars" for 308GT4.

    If anyone knows of any (will buy anywhere from one to five...needn't be a complete set) for sale I'd appreciate a PM.

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    Jack, these are often available at reasonable valuations as many abandoned 14" for 15", eBay, if you are comfortable doing that? Aesthetically I like the 14" even on 308GTS/B, smaller wheels, balloonish tires, pure 70's!
     
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    There is a set of each (Campy and Cromodora) on eBay now, but overpriced IMO. I agree, 14" with XWX are best on these cars.
     
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    Sure you want to stick to 14's?
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    Cool thread idea, I love the 70's italian sports car wheels. Especially the gold "coffins"
     
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    Yeah, but the larger diameter wheels just don't look right to my eye. I understand the incremental performance advantage and greater selection of the 16" tires but if I were that interested in ultimate performance I'd probably be driving something else.;)
     
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    just to add the campagnolo of the Maserati QP3 (identical to the Kyalami AFAIK), and the De Tomaso Mangusta (the Weights outside the rims were removed since the photos).

    My favourite are certainly the first version for the Ghibli , beautiful design but no personnal photo of them.
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    I understand

    I wasn't even considering the performance characteristics..............I was just interested in how great the larger wheels looked to my eye (typical designer), so there we differ ;)
     
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    +1 so well put !
     
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    And I really appreciate your perspective as a designer. For me, the look of the XWX is almost as important as the wheel.
     
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    #39 Mang, Feb 2, 2016
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    The wider 7" Melber's (yours) on this Alfa race car - exquisite!
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    yep those are them... very aggressive offset as you can see flares in the rear needed to house them.

    that photo must have been taken in chicago?
     
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    Stumbled into that photo somewhere and saved it, love the presentation there, and WAS pursuing 7" Melbers as a result. When I discovered they required some body mods, I stayed content with 6 inchers, as my car is concours restored and don't wanna be fussing around. REALLY great design.

    Can anyone identify the 3rd car in the row?
     
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    That's a ferrari (well micholotto built n design) 333SP from what little I can see in my tiny phone
     
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    Thanks, I'll search for a better shot. Show a photo of your Mille Miglia's - certainly a looker and thread worthy! Are they indeed magnesium?
     
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    hard to tell from the straight on side view, i think those may be abarth sp type campy's found on the sport racers. I forgot the model number. the numbers were all listed on crazy Al's chart remember?



    here u go... well some of vintage american ads say there was mg but i not so sure. if there is mg in it its probably wasnt much in the blend. some peeps also say bwa are mg but nothing like the amount in the early cromodora's or campy's i reckon. i had these mm, bwa wheels sitting around for over 30years and they dont fall apart like my campy's or mg-cromodoras ones. MM and early bwa's are pretty darn light for mostly a alu wheel. 12lbs for both @14x6 size. as we move into the late 70's both cromodora and bwa made the same wheels but much heavier with little or zero mg for longevity. now the melbers are way cool but they are boat anchors when it comes to weight.

    here are some crusty campy wheels #40802 for a 911 rsr fitment flaking off the paint. we all guilty of calling these stunning wheels "mangusta wheels" since it was pretty much the first memorable car we recognize them on. but they were intended to be a generic racing wheel that came with a blank hub face hence the large and featureless surface in the middle for bespoke bolt patterns. before the goose, they were used on a bunch of F2, Group 6 and other spec racers. it was also the first gr4 statos wheel before notorious sexy "coffen spoke" campy's.

    can you tell i have a serious wheel fetish :) ?
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    I completely understand, and I've stated before, one of the sweetest thing about the Alfa Romeo world are the myriad of boutique wheel designs available with correct offsets to bolt right up. Those 'mangusta' wheels have been around for sure, Magnus has them on a car or two in his collection.
    The MM's are great looking, always thought they had a little 'mini' Miura look to them. Great stuff, thanks for sharing.
     
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    #46 Mang, Feb 4, 2016
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    I once owned 3 Alfa Spider's and was able to change looks as ez as Imelda Marcos changed shoes :D
    I completely understand this wheel fetish thing.
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    I like your collection.. :). Don't forget to add a few ford escort rally's wheels which have the same bolt pattern. Guys in Germany run often run the ford ronal wheels which surpringly look like a campy or the UK guys with mg minilites. The cheater horst trans am guys ran with the larger 15 Minilites
     
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    I'm looking for a set of the Melber Majors.....the wide version for 4x108 Spider. If anyone has a lead on them, let me know. :).
     
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    We've had the size change discussion several times in the Bora thread. I remember seeing Boras and Khamsins in 94 at the international club concours that had 18"? BBS rims adapted and I thought they looked fine at the time. But now everything is about originality.

    Back then most of us wanted the much better tires. I always hated the XWXs on my Bora as they broke away in snap fashion so I was onto better performing wider 60 series tires right away and they worked really well. I liked the more aggressive look. There's nothing like that out there now ... :(

    Elliot M. Siegel who is a long time and multiple Bora owner has a project to produce larger diameter Bora wheels. From the photos or drawings I've seen they look OK to me @ 17".

    I can't find them in that thread at the moment.

    It's a nice conservative design but certainly not my favorite design of wheel.
     
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    These Cromodora lightweight magnesium wheels were often the choice of Abarth cars. Weighing in under 9lbs. This Fiat Spider is running on combined wheel and tire weight at the corners around 20lbs. It drives like a dream as a result.
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