SCG 003 and SCG 003C (formerly known as "P 33")

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  1. Napolis

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    Our next road car adventure has begun.

    We plan to unveil it at Geneva in 2015.

    Our goals are 1600lb, TT V6 with about 500HP, much simplier, and a very beautiful "Three Wing" design where the Three wings are intergrated into the shape and the cockpit and door's operation will be a bit Modulo.

    This one will be a lot smaller about the size of Dino Competizione vs Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina.

    CF chassis and body.

    SCG (Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus) will be the constructor and it's name is P 33.
     
  2. crinoid

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    Have you considered the name LaSCG?
     
  3. Napolis

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    #3 Napolis, Mar 15, 2013
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    We have but feel it's a bit different when others call your car "The Glickenhaus Car" then when you do.

    For size comparsion. P 33 will be closser to Dino Competizione then Ferrari P 4/5 by pininfarina.
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  4. crinoid

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    I'm liking the sound of this. Looking forward to seeing the design.
     
  5. Napolis

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    It will be a while but I do think you'll like it.
     
  6. Zegna

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    Sounds wonderful, Jim!

    Are you working with Pininfarina by any chance on the P33?
     
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  8. Napolis

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    Can't yet say talking to a lot of people.
     
  9. joe sackey

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    Great sports car manufacturer news!
     
  10. c4sdriver

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    That sounds awesome! Will it be a one-off, or will you sell multiples?
     
  11. Napolis

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    So far we're planing this as a one off.
     
  12. REALZEUS

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    Any hints regarding the engine manufacturer?
     
  13. El Wayne

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    Can we at least assume powertrain is 288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari since the thread was started in this section?
     
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  15. deppi0

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    Congratulations in advance for the great project! Sounds like it's going to be very busy for you in the next 2 years :)

    Btw not that I really care but shouldn't this be in "other cars" threads?
     
  16. HotShoe

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    Even if it is, it still should be moved since it is none of the above cars and has nothing to do with them.
     
  17. Napolis

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    You know what tub we're using? Do tell.
     
  18. Napolis

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    TBD but as F1 is going in the direction of TT V6's there are a lot of interesting ones including some that will be built at the Ferrari Factory.
     
  19. atomicskiracer

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    What does the "33" signify?
     
  20. Nurburgringer

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    Super cool!

    Curious how you arrived at a target of 500hp, and how you're thinking about getting that much power to the ground.
    I've driven a number of sub-2000lbs cars (Opel Speedster, Elise, Smart Roadster, Gen 1 CRX) on the road and track with hp from 70-175ish and they were all great fun.
    Always though an Elise would be perfect with ~225hp&225lb/ft from a small, longitudinally placed V6 or I6.
    And a T33 Stradale bodykit :)
    Appreciate you sharing the process with us!
     
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    #19 Nurburgringer, Mar 15, 2013
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    Hopefully that it will look something like this
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  22. HotShoe

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    Does it matter?

    Unless of course it's a tub from the above and being built by Ferrari in house it's in the wrong section. No?
     
  23. REALZEUS

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    Sounds like Maserati to me. :D
     
  24. Tad Cody

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    Congrats on the new project, can't wait to see its design, especially if it's somehow related to the Tipo 33...

    In on the first page of the next adventure!

    :)

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  25. Napolis

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    You guys should be able to figure that one out.
     
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    :)
     
  27. Napolis

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    The original P4 was about 1800lb with "450 hp". We're hoping for a similar hp/lb. May not need 500, 420 real hp may be sufficient.
     
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    This should be fun :)
     
  29. Bill S

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    Very interesting, but how's it related to Ferrari or 288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari? Should this discussion be moved to a general or off-topic forum?
     
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    #28 crinoid, Mar 15, 2013
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    This is a nice looking CF tub.
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  31. mrcarlosspicey

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    That must hint to something.
     
  32. chet

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    Great to hear about your next project. Thanks for sharing!
     
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    The start of another behind the scenes adventure ! I am very excited to follow this build, and as always, thanks for including us in the journey Jim !
     
  34. Napolis

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    Ferrari P 4/5 by pininfarina wasn't designed, engineered or built in house by Ferrari and it's in this section.
     
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    Well this will certainly be a thread to follow. What a wonderful opportunity you have and thanks for sharing the gestation with us. Exciting is an understatement given your track record so far!
     
  36. Napolis

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    #34 Napolis, Mar 15, 2013
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    That's a great one for sure. The interesting thing we're exploring is aero. The first road study PF did for Ferrari Dino Competizione was a two wing car. When we put that one in the wind tunnel we learned a lot. Basically it had the Cx of a small truck. It's rear wing was so overpowering that if you cranked any in the nose lifted off the ground. If you cranked in any front wing the air no longer flowed into the radiator and the car over heated.

    When we developed Ferrari P 4/5 by pininfarina we put our donor Enzo into the wind tunnel. We also learned a lot such as the Enzo had way to much inlet and way to little outlet. La Ferrari vs P1 is designed to produce downforce without a huge wing. I think it makes La Ferrari much more classically beautiful not to have a large wing and we're going this route as well but unlike La Ferrari we'll incorporate three wings, nose, roof and rear into the overall shape of the car. These shapes will be wings with air flow on both sides.
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  37. Bill S

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    Sounds like that should be moved to a new forum also so we come here to get Ferrari supercar stuff and go to the "Jim G" forum for P 4/5 and P 33 stuff. Or maybe a new P 4/5 and P 33 forum?
     
  38. Napolis

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    Perhaps you should write Luca and tell him to take Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina out of Ferrari's officially sanctioned books about Ferrari Supercars as well.
     
  39. Bill S

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    I guess this is a question for the FerrariChat owners. As you point out, P 4/5 has nothing to do with Ferrari, other than using many Enzo parts. What's wrong with having these Model Specific Discussions?

    288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari
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    or, if we're grandfathered in...

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  40. Napolis

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    Luca decided P 4/5 would become an official Ferrari Supercar Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina and I agreed.

    That horse let that barn many years ago.
     
  41. FarmerDave

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    What about a section for all modern special projects... such as the ones by JG,as well as PK, EC, etc
     
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    And people on here criticize ME for splitting hairs.

    "P 4/5 has nothing to do with Ferrari, other than using many Enzo parts."

    To which I reply . . . "other than THAT, how did you enjoy the theater, Mrs. Lincoln?"
     
  43. Nurburgringer

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    This thread belongs here, because at least until 2020 or so when Ferrari debuts their brand new "LaDino" model that bears a striking resemblance to P33 there isn't a better place for it ;)
     
  44. mclaudio

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    Smaller, lighter, simpler: music to my ears. A modern take on T33 would also be lovely.

    Are you considering an open top i.e. targa style? If so, this configuration gets close to my ideal fun, street car. Speaking of which, I appreciate race provenance/history even in street cars, which is what you did with P4/5. Will you have plans to do the same on this P33, assuming there's a venue for it?
     
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    #43 El Wayne, Mar 15, 2013
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    Call it what you like, but P4/5 is basically a rebodied and highly modified Ferrari Enzo. I personally saw and inspected the brand-spanking-new Enzo (still wrapped in plastic) before it was shipped off to PF for the transformation. "Using many Enzo parts" is a monumental mischaracterization of the car in my opinion.

    We don't know what P33 will be, but I'm sure Jim started the thread here for a reason. Let's all just enjoy the ride for a little while. If it turns out otherwise, we can always move the thread to the appropriate forum.
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  46. Bill S

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    Sounds good to me!
     
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    I have suggested this as well.
     
  48. scorpio5

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    This project sounds mouth-watering. I hope it turns out to be beautiful to look at. Aesthetically, the current crop of supercars leaves a lot to be desired. Even the name 'P-33' sounds good. It has to be beautiful.
     
  49. Bill S

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    BTW, does Jim's comment below contradict a "rebodied and highly modified Ferrari Enzo" ?

     
  50. Napolis

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    As you know I really like the idea of road cars that can easily be turned into race cars. The 60's were magical times for that. Corvette, E Types. Aston's, MG's, Triumphs, Many Ferrari's, Lotus, etc. etc. were easy to transition from road to race. As years went by it became a lot harder for many reasons and it's a massive effort to build a road and race legal car today such as P 4/5 C. Porsche does it with their GT3 and Ferrari's 458 are certainly derived from road cars but can't really be turned back to road legal cars.

    The Experimental Hybrid series we race in would allow a P1/La Ferrari/918 to race in but in all fairness the dollars required vs taping the headlights and putting a bit more air in the tires is huge. Running the 24 Hours of Nurburgring in P 4/5 C including development cost around 2MM euros. Racing a P1, La Ferrari, or a 918 would be very expensive and so far no one has indicated any interest to race one. If they do we will defend our Title.

    You could race a 458 GTC at Le Mans for much less as it good to go as delivered.

    Because of our History of bringing fans to watch us race there are probably venues that would let us race P 33 but it's too early to say. We're also hopeful that we may continue racing with another new prototype in GA/ALMS in 2014. If we do that will likely be a factory effort.

    As for a spyder I do love them but the design we're leaning towards works better as a coupe for aero reasons.
     
  51. Napolis

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    Nope. Of course we used as a platform and highly modified a Ferrari Enzo Ferrari but none of the over 200 uniquely engineered systems or any of the design or building of P 4/5 were done by Ferrari "in House".

    P 4/5 became Ferrari P 4/5 by pininfarina after it was locked when Luca first saw it and decided that it should be an official Ferrari. I think it's fair to say that not many cars designed, engineered and built not "In House by Ferrari" have become official Ferraris.

    When Luca first saw P 4/5 it wasn't badged as a Ferrari. Only after he decided that it was a Ferrari was it so badged.
     
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    :)
     

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