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Old 11-18-2008, 05:38 PM
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Who knows the true story of the two Ferrari Bartoletti 642 rn2 racetransporters ?

As I know , probably two trucks open deck (one by sure) Fiat 642 RN2 were built by Bartoletti coachwork of Forlì and owned by Scuderia Ferrari from half of 50’ to half of 60’ years.
The original license plates were MO 42628 (not sure) and MO 42629 (sure).
Someone says that the first one was used for the transport of production cars , and the other one for transport to circuits of racing cars (???)

As I Know the Fiat 642 RN2 Transporter (chassis # 02989) was owned by the first owner Richard Freshman USA before being sold to Clive Beecham UK and in 1997 to Fritz Grashei , seen in Technoclassica Essen 2008 and probably sold to new owner. It was probably the only original truck with license plate MO 42629 but I’ve pictures with several different European license plates.

The other one Fiat 642 RN2 Transporter (chassis # ???) owned by Jon Shirley is USA has a Washington State license plate 1913 TAD but shows also a fake plate MO 42629 and , as I know , has being restored (or better : built ex novo on a donor Fiat truck chassis) by Silma Bus of Modena.

The two vehicles are quite different from old original pictures I have.
The first one (chassis # 02989) seems more matching to the original .
The Jon Shirley vehicle has a different windshield shape and many other different details , and shows even an inverted prancing horse on right side …

Who knows the true story of these two trucks ? And what about the Maserati (yellow and blue) identical one?
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:42 PM
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did you look
here:
Ferrari Factory Team Transporter
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here:
http://wilms-garage.de/Renntransport...amic/start.htm
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Old 11-19-2008, 02:31 AM
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Yes I know very well these vehicles , but these are other trucks .
The first was a more modern Fiat Bartoletti open deck , first owned by Scarab Automobiles inc . in the first half of the sixties.
The second was one of the two OM vans , owned by Maserati in the second half of '50 and after sold to Scuderia Centro Sud .


P.S. I made a little mistake on writing post #1 .
It is the German truck ( ch.# 02989) not the Jon Shirley's one ,that " shows even an inverted prancing horse on the right side "
and then different than the original .

Pictures in the post # 1
1/2 refers to the original one in '56 and '64
3/4 German truck ( ch.# 02989)
5/6 Jon Shirley (ch.# unknown)

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#02989 was in the Technik Museum in Sinsheim, Germany, for a long time (see pic attached). According to some knowledgeable Fchatter in some thread I can't remember, it was sold by car dealer Klaus Werner (?) for 400k€ (?).

Edit: Forget my previous edit, read about the fake numberplates.
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Old 11-19-2008, 10:07 AM
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#02989* was in the Technik Museum in Sinsheim, Germany, for a long time (see pic attached). According to some knowledgeable Fchatter in some thread I can't remember, it was sold by car dealer Klaus Werner (?) for 400k€ (?).

*Compare the numberplates... seems like that one isn't 02989 but rather the one whose # you don't know... so which one of the two was sold recently?
The one I've called "the German" is the one that was in the Technik Museum in Sinsheim and is really ch.# 02989 and it is the same of my pictures 3 and 4 . Its original license plate was really MO 42629 (even if license plate showed is a bad reproduction)
I suppose that this is the most ( ... the only) original of the two .

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Old 11-19-2008, 10:21 AM
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This small photo proves the original existence of two transporters.
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The one I've called "the German" is the one that was in the Technik Museum in Sinsheim and is really ch.# 02989 and it is the same of my pictures 3 and 4 . Its original license plate was really MO 42629 (even if license plate showed is a bad reproduction)
I suppose that this is the most ( ... the only) original of the two .

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See my edit above, I didn't properly read that the number 42629 could be seen on both transporters. Anyway, I've always been interested in those trucks, so thanks for all your information, Andrea!
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I can't remember, it was sold by car dealer Klaus Werner (?) for 400k€ (?).
No, it was sold by German dealer Axel Schütte of Oerlinghausen.
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We purchased 003001 and 003002 directly from Carrozzeria Bartoletti while both were in restoration.

003001 is a Tipo 682 R N2
003002 is a Tipo 642 R N2

Both were invoiced as new but heavily customized vehicles to the Scuderia Ferrari in 1957.

At one point Ferrari had four similar transporters to meet the needs of both racing, motor shows and vehicle delivery.

Ownership of our two Transporters changed internally during Ferrari's ownership from the Scuderia Ferrari, to the SEFAC Ferrari.

Both had many subsequent but well documented owner's in Italy until both were unserviceable and set aside to rot.

Both examples retained their original "Libretto" or Italian Road Registration and Ownership documents.

Both were sold and the current owner's still have the original documentation from new identifying all of the above.

Neither of these two transporters have anything to do with the transporter in Germany which is 002989.

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Old 11-20-2008, 03:07 AM
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We purchased 003001 and 003002 directly from Carrozzeria Bartoletti while both were in restoration.

003001 is a Tipo 682 R N2
003002 is a Tipo 642 R N2

Both were invoiced as new but heavily customized vehicles to the Scuderia Ferrari in 1957.

At one point Ferrari had four similar transporters to meet the needs of both racing, motor shows and vehicle delivery.

Ownership of our two Transporters changed internally during Ferrari's ownership from the Scuderia Ferrari, to the SEFAC Ferrari.

Both had many subsequent but well documented owner's in Italy until both were unserviceable and set aside to rot.

Both examples retained their original "Libretto" or Italian Road Registration and Ownership documents.

Both were sold and the current owner's still have the original documentation from new identifying all of the above.

Neither of these two transporters have anything to do with the transporter in Germany which is 002989.

Warm regards,

Bill Noon


Thanks for usefull information. Have you a pic of these two vehicles ?
It is the first time I hear of 4 vehicles of this type originally owned by Ferrari.
I knew two Bartoletti 642 RN2 and one Bartoletti 682 RN2 .

A 642 is actually in the Jon Shirley Collection restored by Silma Bus of Modena
An other 642 is the one I called "German" ch.# 002989
The 682 is the one owned by Pat Hart and also restored by Silma Bus of Modena

So , how many others open deck Bartoletti we have now ?


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Old 11-20-2008, 03:08 AM
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This small photo proves the original existence of two transporters.
Very interesting picture . Thanks

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Old 11-20-2008, 08:15 AM
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Targa Florio 1963. Different license plate than already mentioned: picture (not mine of course) was called 682RN....
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Old 11-20-2008, 02:49 PM
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Targa Florio 1963. Different license plate than already mentioned: picture (not mine of course) was called 682RN....
Well known picture . It refers to the 682 Rn2 Bartoletti open deck with license plate MO 53210 .
It is exactly the same of picture's post #12 , on right side.
It was a more modern and powerful truck than 642 Rn2 , now is owned by Pat Hart ( WA - USA) and as I said before was resored by Silma Bus of Modena.

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Old 11-22-2008, 07:18 AM
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This one should be #003001 (Photo Auto d'Epoca magazine).
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:13 PM
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This one should be #003001 (Photo Auto d'Epoca magazine).
Thanks for the picture . As you correctly say , it should be #003001 , but not sure that is an ex Scuderia Ferrari .
Looking at the white front superior structure (even if modified) and fog lights on bumper , it seems the 682 RN2 that appears in a sequence of "Grand Prix" movie and in this picture of LM 1967.
In the mean tome I must notice that Bartoletti coachwork made at that time a lot of trucks similar each other , for many purposes.
So this kind of vehicles was commonly used for amusement-parks and carousels movings and this one could be one of these.
Same thing that made Rolfo with the OM vans (150 and 170) used by Scuderia Ferrari in the sixties.
These van/trucks were common trucks (hundreds) used for movings , adapted for racing cars purposes.

I'm still waiting for a picture (from Bill Noon) of his 642 RN2 Bartoletti ch.# 003002 .

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I do not have photos that can be publicly shared on either of the SF/SEFAC transporters that we purchased and later sold.

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Old 11-25-2008, 04:27 PM
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642 RN2

The question now is : how many 642 RN2 Bartoletti there are now ?
Two were the ex SF/Sefac originally existing (proved).
Three are the vehicles actually preserved , as reported in this thread.
Something seems odd.

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Old 11-26-2008, 10:07 AM
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Unless you take the blue/yellow Maserati 642 into account. No evidence has ever been shown or told on this car after 1962 , when it was said to have been sold , crashed in Sicily, and left to rot , as far as I know.
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At the begining of this film (Fangio in a Maserati 250F testing in Modena), is possible to see one of the Ferrari trucks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7Ifcgl789E

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