Thomassima II of Tom Meade

P4Replica · Dec 29, 2007

Scuderia CC said: ↑

More on the Tom Meade and his Thomassima, see here : http://www.theautochannel.com/publications/magazines/sci/aug-sept-98/pg78.frame
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The full version of that online AutoChannel article, with many more photos entitled 'Meade'n Voyage' was originally published in the August / September 1998 issue of Sports Car International magazine.

Scans of the 8-page article, again, courtesey of Jean-Joseph can be found here:

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P4Replica · Dec 29, 2007

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Scans of the 8-page article, again, courtesey of Jean-Joseph ....
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Bienvenue - à notre plus nouveau membre, et un autre grand fervent des Thomassimas: 'LeMansAlpine'.

Merci de tous les balayages superbes, Monsieur !

Nembo1777 · Dec 29, 2007

That is one of the articles I enjoyed doing the most!

I had to push the magazine hard for a year to publish the article: Jay lamm the previous editor a very funny writer had approved the idea then he moved on and his successor was clueless and tried to block the story from being published. When I finally overcame his resistance he said nobody is going to read that: what an idiot....I wish he could look at the number of hits this thread has gotten.

There is a LOT I could say, my full text on Tom is actually 41 pages but I don't have time today. I have however been following thris thread and would like to point out that without wishing to be disrespectful the other article done more recently, I think by a mister Crain, is very nice but lacks a certain understanding of how Italy works and particulalrly how it worked back then.

One funny thing is that I got myself into the middle of the big 1989 San Francisco earthquake in October 1989 then went through a smaller one in La in the very early 90's...when I interviewed Tom in a cafe in Santa Monica in May of 1996 (5 hours! 3 times longer than any ohter interview I have done) suddenly small bits of concrete fell on the table from the building above and I literally jumped into the middle of the street like a scalded cat thinking here we go again...and Tom said it's just pidgeons kicking dirt from a window ledge

I took that portrait of him a few moments before.

Best regards,

Marc Sonnery

krasnavian · Dec 29, 2007

Marc Sonnery's article, posted here by P4Replica (many thanks!) gives a very accurate impression of Tom whom I always perceived as a brilliant, nomadic, gypsy artist somewhat removed from the modern age. I first met him by way of John Andrews, a character in his own right, who was a good friend and owner of numerous exotic and historical cars.

I spent a fair amount of time with Tom when he was staying in Newport Beach. He acted as tour guide and consultant when I took my father to Italy on one of my car buying trips in 1976 and Tom spent nights at my house in the Hollywood hills during the 70s and 80s. Three things were a constant with Tom throughout all of these times; his thick, personal, leather-bound address book containing the names and phone numbers of Ferrari enthusiasts and buyers past, present or potential, endless phone calls to and from all over the world between Tom and those who relied on his consummate knowledge of where the good cars could be found and his contagious enthusiasm for cars in general, Ferraris in particular and his plans to improve upon them.

Tom Meade is a one-of-a-kind; an iconoclast as deserving of funding for his ideas as any of the established designers on the planet.

Nembo1777 · Dec 29, 2007

Thank you!

P4Replica · Sep 7, 2017

krasnavian said: ↑

Marc Sonnery's article, posted here by P4Replica (many thanks!) gives a very accurate impression of Tom .....
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Not wishing to take anything away from Marc's Sonnery's article (despite his muted criticism of Larry Crane's recent effort) .... but if anybody is interested, I've kept all the links to those scans of the 5-page article in the April '71 issue of Motor Trend by Griff Borgeson.

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Typical American car magazine. The page numbers are all over the place.

With thanks to Jean-Joseph, once again, for the superb quality scans.
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P4Replica · Dec 29, 2007

P4Replica said: ↑

.... 5-page article in the April '71 issue of Motor Trend by Griff Borgeson.
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Yeh - I know this thread is supposed to be about the Thomassima II (rather than Tom Meade himself - or the Thomassima III) ....
.... but I think we could be forgiven for taking the thread a little 'off topic' - for a while ....
.... at least until I have some more progress updates on the Thomassima II's restoration.

I just read that 'Meade in Italy' article again, and a sentence on the first page reminded me of something:

CBS International TV sent a three-man crew over from Milan solely to interview Meade and film his car.
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I seem to remember Tom, or someone else, possibly, telling me that the film footage was made into a 'short' for CBS's networked news programme '60 Minutes'.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60_Minutes

Credit given where credit is due. This also appears in Marc Sonnery's 'Meade'n Voyage' article:

Then came the Thomassima 3. It is the most famous Meade creation and garnered much media attention, including the cover of the December 1970 issue of Road & Track, the Walter Cronkite talk show, "60 Minutes," and appearances on RAI (Italian TV).
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Now, obviously, this programme would have been broadcast a good few years before the commercial advent of VCR's ....
.... but - I wonder - does anybody reading this thread have any contacts in CBS's archives department ? Wouldn't that be something ?

P4Replica · Sep 7, 2017

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The car also featured as an 'extra' in some (night) racing scenes in the 60's B-movie spy flick 'The Fuller Report' (1969).

The length of time the car is actually on screen can be measured in seconds, but it is recognisable as the Thomassima II.

See the colour photo (with race #4) at the bottom of page 43 of the Auto Aficionado article, captioned:

'The color image at left was taken during a Modena Aero / Autodromo track session for a movie'.
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Last one from me for tonight - it's very late, my time.

For those of you who haven't read the .pdf version of the Auto Aficionado article, attached to post #15 ....
.... this, below, is the other less familiar image of the Thomassima II, that I was referring to in post #17.

From Tom Meade's personal photo archives, copyright Tom Meade © .... courtesey of Larry Crane of Auto Aficionado:
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alberto · Dec 30, 2007

Very cool posts.

Thank you.

Alberto

Scuderia CC · Dec 30, 2007

Thank you for all these scan which comes to enrich my knowledge on these splendid cars...

... thank you also for all these pictures

Best regards

Nembo1777 · Dec 30, 2007

My favorite amongst his designs and the most mysterious one is the car in the small black and white photos atop page 4 in my article the one that is said to have been destryed in the great flood of Florence. The way the whole upper part of the car seems to be melting back merging into the trunk is very interesting.

I hasten to add that I meant no disrespect to M. Crain's work: anyone who actually does a Meade article should be applauded however it is not his fault if he is not familiar with the ways of Italy: the six months I spent in Modena last year and the four trips and about 30 interviews I went through from June to September this year for the two books I am working on were fascinating but it is another culture, another world, information is shared only when necessary influences are brought to bear in the shadows and if someone is not welcome, which unfortunately through no fault of his own was Tom's case towards the end of his stint there and to a lesser extent mine last year then the chess game is played for you and there is nothing you can do about it. Let's just say it is not a meritocracy, it is a system which does not like to be disturbed by outsiders. Nevertheless I always look forward to visiting, to the interviews, and the food

Best regards,

Marc

P4Replica · Dec 30, 2007

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My favorite amongst his designs and the most mysterious one is the car in the small black and white photos atop page 4 in my article the one that is said to have been destroyed in the great flood of Florence. The way the whole upper part of the car seems to be melting back merging into the trunk is very interesting.
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Marc.
Have you seen this old thread, entitled: 'Tom Meade and the Tomassima' (sic) on the Atlas F1 Nostalgia Forum ?

http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83372

If not, suggest you check it out, particularly post #7 by Arjan de Roos:

http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php?postid=2328315#post2328315

Originally posted by Arjan de Roos
Meade is a special part of Ferrari and italian racing history. I think he is quite appealing to many as he WAS present in Modena in the sixties and could access those many sources we today can only dream about.

Last month I found this article by a dutch car magazine in my stack. Probably defunct 'Auto Revue', but it could also be 'Autovisie'. Anyhow, this is what ought to be described as Thomassima 0, the first car Meade made/reworked seriously. He obviously toured Europe to find a suitable owner for this Ferrari 250 GT Thomas. He did meet the journalist (name I could not find in the article) in The Hague (The Netherlands) and gave some of his ideas. Must have been a very rare sight to see this GT in dutch traffic mid sixties. Later this car was destroyed in a fire and does no longer exist to my information.
Also mind the student way Meade dressed compared to the way he later appeared. I translated the full text, see below. Enjoy!!

[Text scan 2]: Special bodied cars somehow appeal to us, especially if it is a artisan hand crafted body on a thoroughbred base that does not really look like an existing model. And that is just the attractive side of those creations, often realized in small workshops in unattractive neighborhoods of some Italian city. Italy, yes, that is the centre, which is where we find that kind of artists who seem to live a life of luxury when it comes to Real Automobiles. Thoroughbred. That does apply to the very special car we want to present on these pages: a Ferrari, of which only one exists in the world, a unique sample that has such authentic lines that it resembles a aggressive rocket. So, an Italian special then? Yes and no. Because this is a combination of several nationalities, because this car was manufactured in Modena on a Ferrari base by an American who made his home there and stayed for a while in our country [Holland] (amongst others at Hans Maasland) [Maasland was Ferrari importer to Holland in the 60's] with car. America, Italy, Holland, The Hague that is.

What does this super special Ferrari look like? Well, this is hard to summon up, if we cannot use superlatives of the word 'pretty'. Let us try by summing up of all that is weird and at the same time eye-catching beautiful to this wild beast. First the outside. You will attract attention, much attention, with such a car, that is quite clear, but it remains strange to drive together with designer-builder Tom Meade through the royal residence and neighboring seaside resort with a car that lacks bumpers, a mean looking car, which produces through four exhausts a mighty, growling sound, proof for the immense unleashed powers. Powers that can explode at anytime to an orgy of speed that Eor so it seems Ewill not decelerate and will go on eternally. The long, nearly extreme sharp nose, the recessed head lights, the large air intake on the engine hood, the ventilation slots front and rear, the modern cut-off rear, the 'fat' racing tires (Dunlop), the elegant roofline, those are the exterior characteristics of this silver projectile (painted in aluminium grey), which is leaning downward rather sharply with its nose, like its about to scrape its chin on the ground.
What does this Ferrari hide beneath its nice, lean body? Tommy Meade, 25 year old Californian, ("I try to reach the extreme possibilities of building automobiles.") showed us. First of all, the special seats, by far no resemblance to normal car seats: they are nicely shaped bucket seats that will assure a comfortable place with good side support at all times. It is a Meade design, who let Modenese specialists take care of the production, of which later more. Upholstery of the cockpit and roof are without any doubt to the nines and give the car the real Gran Turismo character. The cockpit lay out and interior design we can only praise: the instruments (only the necessary are present) are neatly arranged. The steering wheel is different to the GT-models from the factory in Maranello, as it is so small with a wide edge, which makes it comfortable to handle. Also you only need one single move to make the car change direction. No need to change the position of your hands unless you're parking (total rotation full left to full right is only two rounds).
Constructor of this Formula 1 looking steering wheel is Cumurri [?] from Modena. Meade: "I really do not understand why those kind of steering wheels are used in more fast GT's. Its steers quite smooth and exact."

Left page [scan1]: A car with refined beauty: that is the special body that American Tommy Meade created on a Ferrari base and has a lower roofline than any other GT of that brand.

Below right: A unusual car with a familiar back ground [The 'Pier' of Seaside town Scheveningen]. In this side view can be clearly seen how the stream line is taken to the extreme and the long, sleek nose leaning down strongly.

Top right: The maker applies the final details to the electronics of his creation, it is clear that all fits only just. The head room can be enlarged by repositioning of the seats.

[Text scan 3]: Some technical data give an insight to the internals, to the construction. The car is a Ferrari 250 GT with three liter twelve cylinder engine and fully synchronized four speed gear box. Power output is about 240 SAE-bhp, which leads at the relative low weight of 950 kg to huge performances. A top speed cannot be easily measured on the highway with this kind of monster, but on the German 'Autobahn' a speed of 270 kilometer was seen on the speedometer, that will not lie with this kind of cars, still our Californian, our American in The Hague, thought he still had some more left there.

The history behind the birth of this eye blinding, unique car started when Meade bought at Ferrari a chassis complete with engine, brakes, etc. The body was what he had to do himself. He would adjust it and shape it to a GT with a dared concept, a car nonetheless that should be acceptable as a way of transportation for two, albeit a very rapid way, along with some room for luggage, though one cannot ask for too much with these kind of cars. All extra luggage that can be brought along, besides a tooth brush, is a bonusE A risky plan? No, not for the man from Hollywood with the stubborn tuft and spectacle with dark edges. Because he makes his living with reworking exceptional cars, read: Italian, by changing them to his ideas. The last years Tommy Meade resides in Modena, after he had worked on exclusive cars in the states from a intense interest in all that has to do with car racing and beautiful cars. "In America people always talk about the great, the special that comes from Italy. Everybody is talking about 'it', about those fantastic Italians, you get to see them driving but you can hardly imagine how the construction is carried out over there, so I decided to go there myself".

Italy. Modena. Via Ulivi: this is where Meade has his own workshop where he can play around with his special cars as much as he like to. But why is his name relatively unknown? "Well, ik know everybody in Modena, the Italian car Mecca, and I actually don't feel myself big enough to give cars that I build my very own name. Maybe this time (and Tommy observes his creation with his eye of an expert) it will be named 'Coachwork by Thomas', Thomas, you see, is my official first name".

The intention is to sell this Ferrari we have seen in The Hague, to a real connoisseur, who -and that is clear- has to part with a connoisseur amount. When building this car (his fifteenth) [?] Thomas used specialists who worked previously with famous car body specialist Fantuzzi (amongst others the man who made the Ferrari F1 with nostril nose). Any future plans? Well, someone who builds such cars and keeps up with the latest developments, someone like our own Tommy Meade, always has plans. More clear is his next GT, that will even be lower than this Ferrari (nearly unthinkableE and that will be constructed on a former De Tomaso Formula 1 car. In the back a Ferrari V12 engine with a five speed gearbox and ZF differential. Normal doors are a no-no, impossible. A system will be constructed with the doors in the roof, which can be slid forward, like the 300 SL, but than along rails and not hinged. Moreover, it sounds promising and exciting. Just like this Ferrari by a man whose name is only little known, but within the coming years will build himself a fast car carrying his own name. Remember his name: 'Thomas'.

Top right: View under the bonnet and the proof of pure force: a three liter twelve cylinder Ferrari power unit with an impressive row of three double Weber carburetors.

Lower top right: The interior has a superb finish with a gear lever positioned close to the small steering wheel.

Top left: The bucket seats are designed by Thomas Meade and offer a truly perfect fit thanks to the wide side supports and the rear profile which results in a backwards leaning position of its occupants.

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A projectile: low, super fast and still beautiful and effective as Gran Turismo, that is the ideal of Thomas, an American in Modena, who for a moment was an American in The Hague and is only occupied with very special automobiles.
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Sorry, you'll actually have to go to the Atlas T.N.F. link to get the Image Shack hosting links (to the magazine scans) to work properly.

P4Replica · Dec 30, 2007

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.... this old thread, entitled: 'Tom Meade and the Tomassima' (sic) on the Atlas F1 Nostalgia Forum ?

http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83372
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Reading back through that Atlas F1 Nostalgia thread again, I saw something that made me chuckle to myself.

It was Peter Sachs' quote, in post #6: http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php?postid=2191834#post2191834

Originally posted by klemcoll

OK to sell your prints, but The Klemantaski Collection owns the copyright, so please do not post them or offer them for reproduction.
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(Peter Sachs is 'KlemColl' on Atlas F1 Nostalgia forum, and owns the Klemantaski Collection. See: http://www.klemcoll.com/ )

When I was first researching the Thomassima II, earlier this Summer, I contacted Peter Sachs to see if he had any photos of the Thomassima II - bearing in mind that they theoretically own the copyrights to all Peter Coltrin's images, and are well-known to be extremely protective of their copyrights - to the point of litigation. Pete Coltrin was probably one of the most prolific motoring photo-journalists in Modena at the time, and several images of the Thomassima II are credited to him, including the one in my post #13.

At the time I wrote, the Klementaski Collection were shut down for the Summer vacation, but a few weeks later, I received this reply:

Dear Mr. Skett,

We have no photos of this car in our archive.

We do own all the Coltrin images which his widow Gabriella owned, about 35,000 in all. We know, however, that over the years various images were "liberated" from her files and/or given away by Coltrin himself. The one you sent may have been given to Meade or taken by someone from the files. After Pete Coltrin died in 1982, no one knows exactly what happened until we came along 30 years later.

Sincerely,

THE KLEMANTASKI COLLECTION
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Which to my mind, makes a complete mockery of this whole goddamned photo copyright business !!
Who should really own the rights to any image of the Thomassimas - if common sense prevailed ?
Tom Meade !! Wouldn't you agree ?

P4Replica · Dec 31, 2007

P4Replica said: ↑

Which to my mind, makes a complete mockery of this whole goddamned photo copyright business !!
Who should really own the rights to any image of the Thomassimas - if common sense prevailed ?
Tom Meade !! Wouldn't you agree ?
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It seems that Philippe Olczyk felt the same way (or cared as little).

See: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82007

Tom Meade Photos Expo .... www.classicscars.com/meade (Lots of B&W photos of Thomassima III, and a couple of the #1.)

and: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135347555&postcount=10

Olczyk said: ↑

Theses photos are originals taken by Peter Coltrin when it was at Modena in the "60.
I found them in Italy last year in a show where a collector was selling only very rare goods.
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Bravo, Philippe !!

Olczyk · Dec 31, 2007

P4Replica said: ↑

It seems that Philippe Olczyk felt the same way (or cared as little).

See: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82007

Tom Meade Photos Expo .... www.classicscars.com/meade (Lots of B&W photos of Thomassima III, and a couple of the #1.)

and: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135347555&postcount=10

Bravo, Philippe !!
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I ve bought the originals photos with the copyright, my photos come from the "60.
Now for the new photos taken from negatifs, Sach may be own the rights.

P4Replica · Dec 31, 2007

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Now for the new photos taken from negatifs, Sach may be own the rights.
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Thanks for your quick reply, Philippe.
I understand what you wrote, but what if Peter Sachs owns the negatives to your Pete Coltrin photo prints ?
Then surely he owns the copyright to the image - not you. You can't both own the copyright. Surely not ?

Anyway, I don't want to take the thread 'off topic' with a prolonged discussion about photo copyrights.
To my mind, it is a shame that such images of beautiful cars should be locked away in 'collections' - rather than shared by enthusiasts.

.... and besides, my 'mini-rant' was really just another thinly-veiled excuse to re-post a link to your photos of the Thomassima III.

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II, III and '0'
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308geo · Jan 1, 2008

Paul is true in getting good pictures of the Thomassima II being reborn. I can get more photos as they come together and I am allowed...I visit the car on a regular basis as I can.

Nembo1777 · Jan 1, 2008

Paul: thank you very much for your information in post number 62, will read it with interest, Tom said Belgium, not Holland, obviously it is Holland, his memory tends to be both hazy and rose tinted but then again I only remeber my good races from my racing years

regarding copyright ity is very difficult to establish a boundary but for example last year I indexed and catalogued an archive of 4900 photos in Modena: it was the actual factory archive of one of the factories (can't say which or get into more detail) suffice to say there were photos taken by the photographer of a track there and that track is notoriously stingy and protective of its rights so I said to the owner of the archive: if you think you own the rights to these here you have had too much Lambrusco!

Marc

Nembo1777 · Jan 1, 2008

Paul:

Havng read it further, thank you for finding it, than you to Arjan de Roos for translating it but it really does not contribute much other than being an extremeley rare piece of period news, like an article about anyone of us when we wer young univeristy students and learning life.

The photos are interesting though as they are VERY unpublished I just like how naughty the design is...!

Horsefly · Jan 1, 2008

In post 41, it shows a wire frame on the rear end as was used to help guage the body panels during their formation. Was there ONLY one set of body panels made? Did any of the wire frames survive? (Is there a stash of Thomassima II body panels gathering dust somewhere in Modena?)

Arjan · Jan 2, 2008

P4Replica said: ↑

Marc.
Have you seen this old thread, entitled: 'Tom Meade and the Tomassima' (sic) on the Atlas F1 Nostalgia Forum ?

http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83372

If not, suggest you check it out, particularly post #7 by Arjan de Roos:
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Funny how things can run. I posted on TNF April 2006 and today thought it might be an idea to post on FerrariChat. Only to find P4Replica (thnx) do it two days earlier.

Hit the second link to see the second scan where you can see the car at the Scheveningen Pier, definitively Holland. Regards!

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P4Replica · Jan 2, 2008

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Only to find P4Replica (thnx) do it two days earlier.
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REPOST !!! Sorry, Arjan - I didn't even know you were registered on FerrariChat.

P4Replica · Sep 7, 2017

Horsefly said: ↑

In post 41, it shows a wire frame on the rear end as was used to help guage the body panels during their formation.
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You mean the 'manichino', Arlie ?

That gives me an excuse to post this wonderful photo of Tom Meade (customary Marlboro between his fingers - as he also has in the photo in post #41) - posing with the manichino for the Thomassima II's rear bodywork.

For those of you who haven't read the .pdf version of the Auto Aficionado article, attached to post #15, this is on the 3rd page (42).

From Tom Meade's personal photo archives, copyright Tom Meade © .... courtesey of Larry Crane of Auto Aficionado:
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Horsefly · Jan 2, 2008

Excellent picture Paul. Just find that framework, send it to me, and I will add some fiberglass cloth and be on my way to Horseflyassima III !!!

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