Roland's F40

I've seen the car, sat in the car. And gone over the car in detail with Roland. It's a beautiful result from Roland's love for the F40LM. And it's street legal.

What is it? That really only matters to Roland and a buyer...

What is it worth. Again, that's to be determined only on the day of sale.

What would I pay? Doesn't matter because I'm not buying at any price, so my opinion is irrelevant.

Speculating on this cars value is close to pointless because it is so unique.

 

If I were Roland and a legitimate offer of $400k (not to mention $500k) was presented I'd be sending wire instructions as fast as I could email them ...

 

I rode in this car in Canada and it ran strong, although at the time it was having some overboost issues.

 

I thought it has a F40 chassis, engine etc? Seems like an F40 to me....just not a real LM.

 

Nice picture Joe, I love the IMSA F40 ...built this last month in 1/43 scale.
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From what I heard, AW left him stuck for the 600 he needs. (C)arma's a beyotch.

 

One look at the engine bay will show you there are plenty of non OEM parts. I am in no position to estimate it's value, but I suspect that there will be someone willing to pay the asking price for it. Whether or not it is 100% OEM it has plenty of history, being burnt to the ground, rebuilt, featured in magazines, discussed heavily here, and being a part of many ads. Like it or not the car (and Roland) are somewhat of a legend. I think there will be someone that would love to have such a unique car in their collection.

Since no one else has...here are a few pics of the car the one time I saw it in person..
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Hard to say, but if it has a F40 VIN, chassis, engine and many other parts it is a F40. Just not a real LM. Is it worth what a "regular" F40 is, no way, but IMO it is worth more then 250K easily....


I have seen it in person, it is a nice car, and a track monster.

 

lol I was just at http://www.race-cars.com shopping for a race car and came across F40 modificata and it was rolands car.

 

i cringe everytime someone says this car is an LM...

 

The intent of a replica is to replicate the original. When the car deviates quite drastically from the original, it is no longer a replica but at best is an "homage" (i.e. an interpretation inspired by the original).

In another thread here a comparison was posted showing his interior vs. a real LM interior - they were very different.

I have no idea why you felt the need to drag this back up but since you did, what you wrote is just untrue. Roland DID outright lie to several people and intentionally misled people about his background. For what purpose is a question known only to Roland and best pontificated about with one's self. Before you call me out on this post, there is at least 2 well respected members who were directly and unquestionably told by Roland that he was a 2xLM winning driver -one of whom spent considerable money forming a team with Roland's input only to realize he was deceived and lied to. When called out on this site his only response was that he was part of a team that won LeMans - however nobody in the history of the world has ever felt it appropriate to call one's self a "2 x Le Mans winner" when they were just part of the winning TEAM. Being the winner implies being a driver. Its questionable (and IMO doubtful) that he was even part of the team in any significant capacity, and it is interesting to note that virtually everyone who stands up for him is a friend. It's admirable to stand up for one's friend, but it's just that - sticking up for a friend and a heavily biased viewpoint.

Those are the facts and have been heavily discussed in other threads - no need to rehash it here, but since you played the "he's a good guy and never intended to mislead anyone" line, I will not let it go without the other (true) side of the story being presented.

And that's all there is to say about that!

 

Absolutely dead-nuts accurate. There was a heated debate over what to call this car.... thats why it's listed as a "modificata". It's "inspired" by an LM (and that is perhaps being a bit generous). Chris correctly points out that a more accurate description may be to say that OEM parts were replaced with aftermarket or hand-built parts presumably because cost of OEM parts was an issue. The reason for this presumption is that it was not accurate to F40 or LM specs, so it could only have been a budgetary issue. A less kind person may call it "cutting corners to save money". I think whatever you call it, it seriously detracts from the car's value and IMO thats why it's been for sale for a long long time.

 

Neither an LM nor a recreation of such. An accurate description of said car would be, "Built to neither the standards of Michelotto nor Ferrari, and not a faithful recreation of any cars from either house." It could be labeled as a fancy of a man that wasn't what he was supposed to be, lending the credence or lack thereof to the car that was the basis of his passion.

"As it it stands, the car has no basis in LM, nor perhaps any provenance thereof. Further, the owner of this car may or may not be able to base claims, or prove claims, or present verifiable claims as to the nature of his involvement in motor racing as presented to us by him, therefore the vehicle itself as represented is a bit of an enigma. It has no race history, nor does the owner, yet the owner may or may not claim otherwise, despite the alleged total and utter lack of proof to back claims that may or may not have been made."

It's an F-40 that would cost a ton of golden ass-bricks to be certified via Classiche.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Best.

 

too bad Roland doesn't post here anymore........would love to hear what he has to say.

 

F40 chassis: NO. Fab'd chassis.
F40 Engine: Yes.
ETC: ???

Seems like an F40 to me....just not a real LM. Depends what you call an F40...

 

This is a thread worth reading on the subject where Roland says his car should be called an F40 Evolution http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85743
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That's a real stretch, on Wyo550......while I would not assume to claim 'best friend' status, he has called several times recently during my personal troubles.

I have Roland in my cell if anyone has questions.

Martin is brokering the sale from Florida, I suppose...that's not where Roland lives...

Looking at the car closely, as I have, the prep and build quality pretty much exceed OEM, IMO. Turbos and intercoolers or whatever those big wonky things are, are larger than OEM. Ferrari never used nice Aeroquip lines either to my knowledge.
It reflects his race prep background, certainly.......so of course it's a STREET F40, of course as you can see it uses some LM parts in the reconstruction, improving tunability of aero for track use. The braking system is also much better than stock.

These are BAD things, ya'll?????

Chris Parr can correct me on any details, He's very familiar with this car. Chris was also published in Forza in search of a better breaking system.

And YES it does have it's original VIN, so street legal but obviously racing slicks limit use based upon weather...deifinately no problems in his local rallies or at Franco's evcent in New Orleans.

I don't really understand the criticism as this is probably the most published F40 out there next to Enzo's prototype.

It is what it is, and comes with a big box of wax and polish!

Thanks coachi.....

 

Look at the Forza pics, IIRC the OEM chassis was REPAIRED...

Now I'll say one thing...it's very sad that this car became comingled in the Aaaron White fiasco, as I think everyone he touched regrets knowing him.....

Roland was a victim, as others here were, NOT a cohort....he faced surgery at the time, and was unable to use the car.

Then we have the Vegas Event and apparently more hard feelings there, I have no insight into that, ask Stackhouse.

Anyway, I think ya'll should keep in mind all that, when taking pot shots at this machine.....or Roland.

 

SRT Mike, as a NON owning Ferrari chatter, I am amazed you are able to accurately decifer Roland's mental decision making process, during the restoration...that's a real talent you have.....

You tire kicking this thing, or just breaking wind???
Is your wallet open?

MAYBE he was taking the components upmarket from OEM? Do you think that's impossible?

You'd better go find the Forza about Chris Parrs crappy OEM brakes.........

 

I agree Rob, it's neither chocolate or vanilla.....

I think the $$$ represent that.

A positive note to me is the constant use, pampering and repair I know this car has seen, as opposed to Big George Foreman's or Mattress Mac's stuck in the Gallery Showroom .......

I guess I take the larger view...."What would have Enzo done..?"

Well if he had lived, he would have ordered the brakes sorted out, as well!!!! LOL!

Just my opinion........

 

The Market trend on 1992 stock F40s you might not have much money left over!