Bob Norwood is building the P4 again.

i think this is actually true. sad...but true.

 

I love this P4 replica. Great workmanship from what I can see. I need to get started on my 340 Mexico but first I need to finish my Lotus 7.

 

The design of the P4 does look good and it is tempting.

 

Rob and others,
Is this a Ferrari?
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182811

 

If Ferrari accepted and counted the points it won towards the Championship which I beleive they did yes.

 

Where are the 12 he made already? Are they raced, or can they be driven on the street? Any idea to there value? I just wonder if it became profitable to start building them 15 years later now.
Erik

 

The windshield looks too low no ?

 

Yes that is true, in respect of the original Norwood P4's - and definately an issue for taller drivers.
Indeed I know of at least one car where the owner subsequently bought it back to Bob to have the windshield height raised.

This slight error has been addressed in Bob's new series of P4's.
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With Bob Norwood's kind assistance with previous ownership history, I am fairly confident that I have all the Norwood P4's, constructed to date, listed with owners' details, on my P4 replica register. Most are still in the U.S.A., and one resides in a private (and significant) Ferrari collection in Switzerland. Some are raced at private track days and a couple are street driven.

Current asking price for a new Norwood P4 is $400-$500K, dependant upon specification. Back in the late 80's and early 90's, they were $300K+ new. Second-hand asking prices seem to average $200-$250K - however past auction prices achieved (particulary in the late 90's) make interesting reading.

Profitable ? I'm not so sure with the labour involved. (Supply and) demand is what drives it. Hence the 'build on commission' basis.

 

But I have my doubts about this car being able to run in the Historics. Last time I talked to Old Guy about this, he said that there were only a handful of 308 cars that qualified, with most in Europe.

Dale

 

You're saying that a Ferrari that won World Manufacturer Points for Ferrari wouldn't be eligible for the Ferrari Historic Challenge? Makes sense. Not.

 

LMAO

 

Not ma job, mon.

All I know is that the list of cars that qualify is very short and normally includes the name Michelotto.

But I could be wrong.

Dale

 

true, but anyone who CAN afford the 500k for one of these probably has "all" of the real ferraris he wants!!

and dont forget there is NOTHING like the looks of the p4 cars,IMO.(except p4/5,another exclusive beauty) not to mention that the "real" ones are somewhere north of what, 6-8 million? and there are only a handful of them.

i know that replicas are a touchy subject, but with real ferrari 575m power , that would be a major kick to wheel that one around , no?

doug(if i had one i would have a vanity plate that says "NOT REAL")

 

There's that pic again - Dale, the most famous anonymous guy in the Ferrari world, diriving the only "P4" with a Flat-12 around.
Ahhh, the good old days.

 

So true .... in the case of at least 2 owners that I know of.

One is J-P Slavic of Mies, Switzerland (see below) and also: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135705312&postcount=92

The other gentleman is an esteemed member of this forum who prefers to remain anonymous.
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Bob Norwood's very first P4 replica may have been based on a a shortened Boxer chassis and 180° BB V-12 (see below) ....
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But the car in the photo you are referring to (originally built for Joe Marchetti of the Como Inn, Chicago) had a 400GT V-12
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C'mon then, Kurt. Spit it out. Give it your best shot.

 

They're quite straight, actually - a 180 V-12 is a. . . . . . . . . .______-12.
A BB (aka Boxer) is powered by a . . . . . . . . ________-12.

I kinda used to work for Bob at that time, as did Dale.........and I not sure what I was "nitpicking".
That's just a pic of Dale driving the car near the shop when it was on Tracy St., on the edge of Highland Park, in Dallas. An insurance company (Leyland West, IIRC) uses the pic occasionally in one of their adverts.

Oh, and the car in the background of the shop photo isn't a real TR........It was a Ferrari-sourced replica being made from scratch - one of several. I still think Bob looks better with a beard.

 

I don't recall the engine being a V configuration, but then, the car never needed work by the time I started. It wsa just driven occasionally - usually for th visiting magazine guys - lovingly referred to as "Hollyweird".

It may have been a V, but not to my memory. I've been wrong before. I do, however, remember that the car I'm referring to was never mentioned as having a Chicago connection, and stayed around the shop, running just fine, for a very long time.

 

Memory lapse, I think Kurt.

The original BB flat-12 fibreglass-bodied Norwood P4, based on a shortened Boxer chassis (possibly #18135) was built in 1982.

It recently re-surfaced in Belgium. See this thread: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145506

There's another older thread (when I was researching it) here: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45221
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