The Restoration Starts Here: 275GTB Shortnose 07333

Hi, many thanks. Nice view - that must cause a fair bit of day dreaming!

 

Huh? What? Sorry I wasn't paying attention

 

Here is a recent thread about FISPA fuel filter canisters:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338766

 

HI, Great link thank you very much and a source for the main decal - fantastic!

It is interesting to note that all the filters pictured in the link only have the canister painted in the grey green colour and not the tops, the tops all look to be unfinished aluminum - is that because they are for later models like the Dino?

thanks Mark

 

The unpainted parts on the Dino canisters are original. I really don't know if they were painted on some other Ferrari models. I think Matthias (GermanDino) will give you the right answer soon.

 

Hi Mark: This is from a late 275 gtb 2 cam
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great thanks Matt, appreciate the use of your reference pictures again.

 

Mark: Happy to help. What level of originality are you going for? Do you want to please the judges or have a nice car that looks and drives well?. As you know you can get crazy with the details involving clamps, screws, finishes, ect.

 

Thanks for sharing. Looks absolutely gorgeous!

 

no, not going down the crazy route, just want the car to be beautiful, complete and very usable.
Little things like the fuel filter are easy to do, so I will just take it bit by bit and we will see.
As i have mentioned previously, there will be several upgrades to make the car consistently usable in a modern traffic environment

 

Thanks so much for sharing this journey and labor of love with us!! Very cool!!

 

Hi Pete, i had a chat with the head mechanic about this. The brake pipes he has no issues about using copper pipe - can you explain your reservations?

The fuel lines we are looking at changing to a Nickel based pipe or a steel coated pipe - we are researching further, but their is some chat that modern fuel uses a much higher mix of ethanol and other additives, that the old fuel never had. Apparently it has some adverse effect on the copper pipe making it brittle over time?

Does anyone have any more input on this subject please?

thanks Mark

 

Hi - here are some picture of the front hub assemblies coming back together.

Purists look away now!

We are rebuilding the suspension using Roelofs coil-over competition shock absorber's. They have a fully adjustable damper and spring settings giving a fantastic quality of ride, plus the benefit of superior handling:

http://www.roelofsparts.com/rp/index.php?option=com_productbook&func=detail&Itemid=26&id=125

Easy decision to make, the original Koni style suspension is readily available, so it is an easy fix if ever need to be converted back - there are no modifications involved. Suspension components are consumable parts, therefore over the years they will have been replaced may times.

We will also be rebuilding the brakes using Roelofs upgraded competition brake kit, I will document that when we start.

cheers mark
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Fantastic! Love the thread!

 

Simply because copper work hardens. Every time you brake the brake pipes flex ...

In New Zealand, for example, you are not allowed to race a car with copper brake lines for this reason, and manufacturers do not use copper for brake pipes I assume for this reason.
Pete

 

thanks Pete, so what material do you use? over here in the UK copper brake lines are the norm, even on my race and rally cars we use copper then steel braided on the flexible lengths?

An thoughts on the fuel lines?

 

Actually I would not be worried about using copper for fuel lines ... but I'm no chemist.

As for brake lines we use some sort of steel.
Pete

 

try an earlier thread i started - same question....

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272511

good luck. Mark

 

Using copper for brake lines is ILLEAGAL here in Canada. Its to soft of a metal. No car company that I know of uses copper line..there is a reason its not used. The brake lines that are used are double rolled steel. They do not expand under hard braking and don't loose there strength after many years of service. Copper will get weak the more its put under pressure.

Copper is great to work with as you can easily bend it around corners and get a really nice fit without too much hassle.

On a car like the one you are building..I wouldn't use it. Too much of a risk down the road.

There was a fellow on here that built a P4 replica. He asked if using copper line was ok. I said to get it off the car. He didn't. On the cars maiden flight down the track..the brakes failed and he went into wall and wrote off the car.

Up to you...

 

I am almost sure the problem here was caused because the lines were not properly supported. More than a feet between fixing points or any loose end allows the line to vibrate and a copper line will then fail in minutes under hard use. Copper lines also vary a lot depending how hard the material is to begin with. From the legislator's point of view if they can't control the material, they must ban them all. Best wishes, Kare

 

I just don't understand why anybody would take the risk. We are talking about brakes here. Ferrari never used copper back in the 60's and no manufacturer does now for the reasons we have discussed.

It is dead easy to bend the correct steel pipes and it is also not impossible to correctly flare the ends.

Personally it is a no brainer decision: Copper belongs in houses and steam trains NOT cars.
Pete

 

I believe you are all missing the point that Ferrari 275's had copper-PLATED brake and fuel lines with an essentially steel-based core. A magnet will stick to the original lines. It is easy to plate steel-based lines for protection and there are some special alloy brake line materials with copper appearance.

 

Indeed do not use plain copper.

Cunifer copper nickel alloy as used by Volvo since the early 70's is DOT approved and used by many leading automotives such Porsche and Aston Martin. It doesn't rust, is easily formed/bended into shape and gives a nice soft surface to seal against caliper bodies etc.

 

For your enjoyment, please find the fiter of my car 7101 before and after restoration. I was lucky to save the original paint and signs.
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hi, thanks for the picture! that looks like a great coat of preservation - an oil, wax, tar combination? I bet the car was in fantastic condition under all that.

cheers Mark