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  1. toomanytoys

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    Wow! Looks like Mr Ballot is up to his old tricks. I agree, forums should not be used to "pile on" to someone, but they do serve as a very good tool to warn others about questionable service or a great experience with a particular company.
    I will confirm nerofrance's comments as I was the person who got in touch with him about the Ghibli (thanks for the help!!). Mr Ballot, DBA European Vintage Car Company, took my deposit for a Ghibli to be delivered from France. Long story short, 8 months later and a multitude of excuses and lies (car never arrived in the USA as stated, but was still in France) I was lucky to get my down payment back by going through my credit card fraud department.
    I hope he has turned over a new leaf DBA as Vintage Car, but I would definitely lay eyes on the car before I put any money down...
     
  2. nerofrance

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    To be fair with him, I must say he changed his way of selling, he works now as a broker which means when he offers a car, you pay the real owner. Frederic Ballot takes his commission from the seller later, only when the deal is realized.It should help to avoid the errors of the past.
     
  3. Fredericaz85

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    Nerofrance
    Thank you for this comment, I appreciate it. I admit I have made mistakes in the past. I have learned my lessons. Again thank you very much
     
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    Frederick,

    I hope you have read my pm and has a resolution for this

    Craig
     
  5. nerofrance

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    unfortunately, you didn't learn enough from your mistakes... nothing changed
     
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    Speaking about italian cars.
    Frederic Ballot signed an agreement mentioning he would provide me a de Tomaso Pantera 1972 and some cash to refund what I had paid for the 1966 Jaguar XKE roadster I had paid in 2010 and never received. I've never seen neither the Pantera nor the cash.
    Anyway I've got the bill of the Pantera, even the document in french proving the selling is done. Of course there must be somebody on earth who is the real owner, I just want to provide to the justice the evidence Ballot was not allowed to offer this car. And if I'm wrong, the De Tomaso should be in my garage.
    So please help me to find where is this car. By the way, Ballot threatened me today he would come at my door very soon to "take care" of me. :)
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  7. Tyreguru

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    Do you still need information about Frederic at VintageOnlyLLC? Maybe I can help you.
     
  8. BartonWorkman

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    For Grand Theft and Fraud in Tampa, Florida yesterday...

    To wit, absconding with a $10K deposit, forgery (signatures on contracts and other
    documents) with regard to the sale of cars to U.S. customer from Japan.

    Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office - Page System Busy

    BHW
     
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  9. BartonWorkman

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    Just curious; is there a connection with Frederick and Toshi?
     
  11. Fredericaz85

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    Apparently Barton Workman is speaking for himself and needs to be reminded about my statement. Also it is very obvious the paragraph 1 of this forum rules is not applicable for personal friend of the owner of this forum.

    After month of damaging my name by Mr. Barton Workman, I believe now it is about time to reveal what exactly happened. Everything is provable.
    Back in November of 2013 Barton introduced me to one of his client regarding his interest for the purchase of Rolls Royce's and Bentleys(I'm avoiding to expose the name of this person because I do not have the right to do so contrary to some people). At that time I was doing some deals with somebody which of sometimes we were partners on some business. This person is not a member of my company never been associated in any kind. In December of 2013 Barton's customer had decided to purchase a Rolls Royce and Bentley. The full amount of the transaction has been sent to a friend of his customer inTokyo. The partner I had in this deal received the commission in Tokyo. We agreed Barton will receive $ 5,000.00 commission. I never had any contract signed with Barton. I have received my commission minus 50% of my participation for Barton commission. Unfortunately the person I was dealing with, never sent to Barton his commission. I must stipulate all the time Barton was perfectly aware of the situation. Sometime in February of 2014 his phone was disconnected and a few days later he post a nasty comment about me making me responsible for not been able to pay his phone bill. I have explained him to post a comment in a forum which has nothing to do with Rolls Royce and Bentley was not only wrong but inappropriate. Three weeks later based on his email he was unable to take care of his water and electricity bill and of course making me responsible for that.
    At the beginning I have ask him kindly to remove those untrue and damaging comments but the answer was too bad.
    I feel very sorry for what is happened to Barton but many times I had ask him to contact directly this guy but told me it is not his problem.
    I found very strange when I ask him why did he post a comment on the FerrariChat knowing this forum is talking about Ferrari and Maserati, his answer was, I know personally the owner.
    Very strange the owner of this website authorizing somebody to post comments about something who basically has nothing with Ferrari but Rolls Royce an Bentley.
    I just wanted to rectify certain things.








     
  12. GatorFL

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    The forum covers virtually all marques so your argument that it doesn't belong here causes me to raise an eyebrow. All you have to do is spend 2 minutes looking around to realize that. One of the best things about Ferrarichat is that is a place to trade information. Plenty of questionable dealers have been exposed here, it helps the membership as a whole avoid unscrupulous business partners. That being said, Barton is making himself look silly with all the posts about it. He needs to lawyer up and handle it appropriately and not here since posting here isn't going to get him a cent.
     
  13. Fredericaz85

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    Sir
    I completely agree with your comment, however if the forum's name is " Ferrarichat " I believe the discussions should be around Ferrari or other Italian cars. Regarding Barton if I was completely reponsible in this deal I will handle it differently unfortunately in this deal I also have been a victim, something, Barton has problem to understand. Finally you are right by posting diffamatory comments about my company and myself will not bring any cent probably a lawsuit for slandering.
     
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    Knock it off with this or your ability to post here will be revoked. We cover virtually all carmakers here. You've told your story and our members can decide on their own if they want to work with you or not.
     
  15. Fredericaz85

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    I have sent you an email and your comment is inappropriate, it was only my opinion apparently you don't like it and you want to revoke my ability to express my opinion, but other member has the right to make diffamatory comments about my company and myself without to be disturbed. I suggest you should read and learn the forum rules especially the first paragraph. I hope readers will appreciate your comment. By the way I did not break any rules, let us see if I am going to be revoked.
     
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    Forum doesn't care about friends. Thousands of members.
    Since you're a bit slow, and grammar atrocious, here's a picture that may be easier to understand, certainly better than you grasp fraud, grand theft, wire fraud, and banking rules.
    Hopefully some nice Feds will crawl up your chuff and show you.
    So eff off. Don't bother with PM, and every threat you send to me will be reposted publicly. So be warned.
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    I have no PM or email from you. I'm not taking sides in this at all, nor am I the site owner. At best it's harassment on both sides and should be handled somewhere else and not on Ferrarichat.
     
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    Maybe here guys, good mediation site
    Broker Mediation Chat
     
  19. Fredericaz85

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    I wish you could write German and French like I write English apparently stupido it is obvious, English is not my mother language, accusing me of grand theft, wire fraud are very strong accusation without any evidence. I have no problem with the justice but again you must belong to those retarded who has nothing better to do than using this coward form of slandering people on the internet. I usually never replied to so much stupidity but I have found a very rare specimen. One of a kind without the internet just a little man.



     
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    Well now you did break terms of service. I can write in Italian and German. Second language is nonsense when you can punctuate like you just did. I've had fun dealing with people like you, and know many also that do.
    You never know what Fed is hanging out. And I said you didn't understand laws and rules, not that you broke any. Also, slander is spoken, not written, Libel vs. Slander: Different Types of Defamation | Nolo.com
    BTW, calling someone a retard is a sign of ill-breeding. Mentally handicapped is accepted.
    You're not rare, you're far to common.
    Thanks for the opinion. IDGAF.
     
  21. Fredericaz85

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    FOR INFO MR UENO IS NOT RELATED WITH MY BUSINESS WE ARE NOT PARTNER IN ANY KIND WE HAVE DONE SOME BUSINESS IN THE PAST BUT THAT IS IT. THE INTENTION OF MR. BARTON TO POST SOMETHING IS DIFFAMATORY AND IT IS GOING TOO FAR.


     
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    Thread Closed, before this descends into a he said she said.
    If anyone really needs to post something new, please contact one of the mods or the admin.

    Thanks
     
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