I agree totally but really, I guess common sense is no longer common. For anyone to think that advance technology is cheaper, I mean in some cases things do cost less. Like anything blanket statements never work. Well said above and my guess (I did say guess) is in the near future sticks will be worth more but in the far future when 15 year olds today will be able to afford a ferrari they will want the f1. (This is because a stick to them will be what you throw for your dog still). Remember this last statement was a guess.
I agree with you totally on this. Common sense is no longer common. I am glad that you have it. Peace. We are on the same page.
it makes total sense more f1s were ordered. when the 355 came out with the f1 it was cutting edge technology - of course more people wanted it. it was like a Gameboy when it came out....no one is saying the 355 f1 sucks...but it is very slow and older technology compared to the f1s of today
Sounds like my 95 manual B is worth way more than any other car in the entire world. You guys are like a bunch of rich little girls at a slumber party arguing about who's cuter, Bryce or Aspen.
what makes you say that?..is that supposed to be funny?..Dont Get It.. Your second comment was funny!
Yes, both were meant to be funny. A little humor goes a long way in these amazing discussions. I wasn't referring to you or your earlier post at all with this post or my last by the way. I love all Ferraris... "Can't we all just get along??" R.K.
Do you know how many manuals were made compared to f1??. were nearly 5 times the amount made!..do your research if you dont believe me..
i look down at my nose at 360 and 430.. i cant stand the looks of them..at least they are getting back on track with the 458
Why this debate is irrelevant: For every basher of the F1 and for every problem reported on forums and the media, I can find the exact same number (if not more) of success stories: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430/462704-ok-so-who-here-hasnt-had-f1-issue.html (May I remind you that the 360 Modena has the same hardware). And I'm still waiting for an economist to prove that a market flooded with good "A" will make good "A" more valuable than a rarer good "B". Chocolates more valuable than diamonds? Regards, Nuno.
You can't ignore the demand side of the supply/demand equation. If there is 5x the demand for manuals and 4x the supply vs. f1, the price for a manual will be a little higher. I think the trans type will fall to 3rd or 4th in the list of things that determine value anyway, if at all, as I've stated.
I agree. Here was my hierarchy of what was important. It seems to me to be a very rational high to low. Get the first one checked off before you proceed to the next box... Road & Track should do a flow chart. Their flow charts are hilarious. You may never find your car if you start out of order... Proceed at your own peril 1. GTB or GTS or SPYDER 2. Price Range (what is) in your budget 3. Clear Title / CARFAX / or a car with a little "history" 4. Mechanical and Physical Condition / Service Records / Mileage / (these May need their own lines. 5. Available Cars' locations and where they have spent their life / Guam, Puerto Rico, or Hawaii anyone... 6. Color / outside first then consider inside. There are deal breakers lurking here... And also concessions to get everything else right. 7. Year / 95, 99, or the in-between Drum roll please 8. Manual vs F1 transmission / way down on the list and related to number 7. After going through this order, you will find a VERY narrow pool to select from (this will likely takes month) and you can now complete the PPI and plan the road trip home. There is no wrong answer on the manual vs F1. Owners and shoppers can be passionate about their choice and go drive. There is no prize for swaying opinion or trying to pick a winner. They are both beautiful, fun, and rare. I think I will create a more extensive flow chart for the group. Should be fun. Robb
Hilarious! And don't forget how a number of years later both Bryce and Aspen both bought porsches because their rich girl wives demanded it was a better value than any Fcar!
Interesting post Robb. They were made in variants of body style. color and transmissions because we al have different ideas as to what is the best fit for us. In my case using your criteria I had transmission as number three after body style and color and almost bought an F1 that fit the first two criteria. I wasn't really happy with that decision and was relieved when the seller didn't take my offer as I was settling because it was available.
Interesting, but that is just one flow chart. I expect almost everyone's will be different. Mine certainly was. I had GTS / GTB as number 1. Red as number 2. After that, it was all about condition, mileage, and service history. Transmission wasn't even a consideration.
Heres my level of importance: 1. GTB 2. Red/Tan 3. F1 or manual 4. records/service/clean title etc 5. condition both inside and outside 6. price
Pete, I'm not ignoring the supply vs. demand side of this debate, I'm just disagreeing as to how it impacts market value. Available units for purchase and rarity can't also be overlooked. Can't be one thing or the other. Both play a part. I did make the effort to educate myself a bit more on the internet regarding this issue and you actually may be right, regarding the north american market, in terms of sticks being more desirable. Not as a general rule. Kind regards, Nuno.
Agree, which is why I voted "I like both equally". If I was buying a DD, the tranny may play more into the decision which is why my 911 cab is a stick.
I have a stick for a cpl of reasons. I wanted a stick, I wanted to shift the car myself. Nothing like pounding through the gears on a twisty road. I believed at the time if I did have issues the manual would be easier on my wallet and I still do. That being said this is more of an enthusiasts forum. Do you think that here it would be more bias? I think and I can be wrong that a lot of people buy Ferrari just to have one. I wonder if a lot of guys that would by a Ferrari buy it just for the cool factor. I think a lot would buy an F1 because they can drive it like an automatic. Some I think would have no interest in learning about the car. They just want to jump in and drive it and wouldnt want to bothered with a manual. I meet people all the time that cant even drive a manual anymore. I think with this being an enthusiasts site of course you would see more guys wanting a 3 pedal car. I dont understand all the bickering its personal preference. I dont agree with Daverocks that if your not all about F1 you shouldnt own a Ferrari. I wouldn't buy an F1...not because they suck..I just dont want one..isnt that reason enough?
I can respect personal preference, that's not the issue. The issue is people state (without facts) that one is worth more than another. If you read my post, I said they are both equal because some people will desire a stick, others an F1. But, one thing I do know - Ferrari builds road cars for one reason - to support their F1 team (at least this was the case with Enzo). We are merely sponsors of the F1 team when we purchase a Ferrari road car - stick, or F1.
Here is the quote I was talking about. I wasnt aware the ONLY reason Ferrari made cars was to support their involvement in F1. I assumed they were also trying to build great exotic cars that people would buy and make the company money. I put this comment with your other one that if you put wheel spacers on your car you are turning it into a Hoop D and might as well put 20's or 22's something like that and spinners on it ...in the trash bin
