Why did you choose a 360 over a 430 or vise-versa?

My thoughts exactly.

 

The thread is about why people chose an F430 or a 360.

Posting a bunch of 0-60 times for cars that have nothing to do with Ferrari is off-topic. Comparing the performance numbers between one model and its predecessor is pointless, newer will be faster duh. Not everyone uses fast as their main criteria for purchasing a car. If someone says "I bought my F430 because it's faster than the 360" that's something I can respect. If someone says that no one should be buying a 360 because there are faster cars out there, that person is just a troll who doesn't understand that different people will have different values and preferences.


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HA! Honestly, I wouldn't know what to do with it.

 

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430-sponsored-yellow-compass-group/519271-weird-noise-cold-startup.html
Not a long thread but if you feel lazy just read Post 1 and 32
I do not know if the pre cat would be ever sucked in (it is located at the end of the header opposed to the 430 that has it very close to the combustion chamber) but I don't want to take my chances.

Returning to topic, I couldn't justify the price difference, now I think the 360 is a more raw/fun experience and posting acceleration numbers is pointless, my old Audi A7 with a tune, exhaust and intake used to do 4.2s 0-60, 9.75 0-100, and 12.55s@113mph, better numbers than sports cars listed here, but still the Ferrari experience is WAY above acceleration.

I think the 360 lines are more beautiful than the 430
A close example is the 308 vs 328, I have always thought the 308 looks better

 

400hp is way more than enough in a light car.
It has the same BHP per ton as a (way more powerful) SL63
The F430 might be 90 horsepower more powerful but it is only 48.8 BHP per ton more powerful.
(336.5 vs 287.7)

 

+1, 90% (if not more) of the people here lack the skills to drive a 360 to its limit.
And funny fact is it might be easier to drive a 430 to its limit, and I am positive a 488 is way easier.

 

Turn the manettino to the right in a 430 chassis and everything is off, except for the 458, Speciale & 488 which have ssc which can never be turned off. Sad that the 360 doesn't have a manettino, which has become a Ferrari signature and now copied by all the other marks.

Aka the 360 chassis should be as easy to drive as a 430 chassis to its limit. So, what you're debating is pretty moot.

Having owned a CS prior to my Scuderia, I would say the 360CS was much easier to drive to its limit. It has less power, lighter steering and similar balance w less oem understeer. With the Scuderia there was more understeer from factory but nothing a quick setup tweak didn't fix.

 

Did you read that I wrote the word "might"?
And you actually made my point with newer models.
If you read again the post I put "+1" you would see why I said that



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Performance was never a factor when I looked to buy a Ferrari. I wanted the Ferrari experience and I certainly have that with my 360. The thing in Spain where I live is that 360s are appreciating whilst 430s are still depreciating. Last month the dealer said he would now buy my car back from me for 4k euros more than what i paid for it 12 months ago, which is more than I've spent on the car since I bought it.

Being able to enjoy a car like this and ultimately enjoy it for free...well you just can't beat that.

I'm loving my 360.

 

Sorry but I don't agree, in Europe F430 are also appreciating (stronger values than 2 years ago)... and I'm not even talking about manual F430 which are skyrocketing near Scuderia price level

 

In Spain 430 prices are still coming down. I was tempted to trade up as I can pick up a nice 430 spider for an addition 15k trading now my 360 spider.

In terms of manual transmissions there is little differnce in prices for 360s and 430s compared to F1 cars. Spain is a buyers market because it is still suffering from years of recession and high unemployment.

I bought my 360 because it was a bargain and they still are although now starting to rise as they hit bottom last year. 430 still coming down. I am watching prices all thre time

You can't compare Spain to the rest of Europe. It's a different market.

 

+2

 

Design
Designed by Pininfarina, under the guidance of Frank Stephenson, the body styling of the F430 was revised from its predecessor, the Ferrari 360, to improve its aerodynamic efficiency. Although the drag coefficient remained the same, downforce was greatly enhanced. Despite sharing the same basic Alcoa Aluminium chassis, roof line, doors and glass, the car looked significantly different from the 360. A great deal of Ferrari heritage was included in the exterior design. At the rear, the Enzo's tail lights and interior vents were added. The car's name was etched into the Testarossa-styled driver's side mirror. The large oval openings in the front bumper are reminiscent of Ferrari racing models from the 60s, specifically the 156 "sharknose" Formula One car and 250 TR61 Le Mans cars of Phil Hill. Designed with soft-top-convertible.

Engine

The F430 features a 4.3L V8 petrol engine of the "Ferrari-Maserati" F136 family. This new power plant was a significant departure for Ferrari, as all previous Ferrari V8's were descendants of the Dino racing program of the 1950s. This fifty-year development cycle came to an end with the entirely new 4.3L, the architecture of which is expected to replace the Dino-derived V12 in most other Ferrari cars. The engine's output specifications are: 497 PS (366 kW; 490 hp),[10] or 483 bhp, at 8500 rpm and 465 N·m (343 lb·ft) of torque at 5250 rpm, 80% of which is available below 3500rpm. Despite a 20% increase in displacement, engine weight grew by only 4 kg and engine dimensions were decreased, for easier packaging. The connecting rods, pistons and crankshaft were all entirely new, while the four-valve cylinder head, valves and intake trumpets were copied directly from Formula 1 engines, for ideal volumetric efficiency. The F430 has a top speed in excess of 196 mph (315 km/h)[11] and can accelerate from 0 to 62 mph (100 km/h) in 3.9 seconds, 0.6 seconds quicker than the old model, while Scuderia version of the F430 is faster, at only 3.6 seconds.[better source needed][12]

Brakes[edit]

The brakes on the F430 were designed in close cooperation with Brembo (who did the calipers and discs) and Bosch (who did the electronics package),[13] resulting in a new cast-iron alloy for the discs. The new alloy includes molybdenum which has better heat dissipation performance. The F430 was also available with the optional Carbon fibre-reinforced Silicon Carbide (C/SiC) ceramic composite brake package. Ferrari claims the carbon ceramic brakes will not fade even after 300-360 laps at their test track.

Features[edit]

The F430 featured the E-Diff, a computer-controlled limited slip active differential which can vary the distribution of torque based on inputs such as steering angle and lateral acceleration.[6][14]

Other notable features include the first application of Ferrari's manettino steering wheel-mounted control knob.[6] Drivers can select from five different settings which modify the vehicle's ESC system, "Skyhook" electronic suspension, transmission behavior, throttle response, and E-Diff. The feature is similar to Land Rover's "Terrain Response" system.

Call me crazy but, all new engine, (no belts), much more HP, more torque, better handling, Adjustable ride, nanny defeat switch, better brakes, IMHO better looks and light years better interior! These things are high on my list of what I want in a sports car. 430 cost more because its worth it. (this is not to say 360 is not a great car)

 

Given the question posed by this thread there surely is no "right" answer. Everybody contributing gets to share their take on these two cars. Obviously they're both brilliant.

The 360 was a new platform full of amazing innovations by Ferrari and "state of the art" at it's launch. The F430 was the final evoloution of that car. Ferrari sought to build upon and improve it with everything they had learned up to that point time.

My choice was strickly an aesthetic one. I just prefer the looks of the 360 spider. No harm to anyone else in that.
There is no question the F430 surpasses the 360 in all areas of measured performance.

 

I seem to recall reading a thread saying that the 360 and 430 suspensions are identical except for the e-diff on the 430, and that part of the reason 430s handle better is due to different alignment settings. Is that right?

 

They are the same, also wheel and tires obviously - even just that can change handling figures/feel.


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430 has in addition to the E-Diff:
1)revised Spring rates
2). Ride height and geometry settings where improved for less tendency to snap over steer
3) Wheels, tires (growing +10 section width and +1” from 18’ to 19’
4) new bushings for engine and gearbox mounts.
5) roll bars may or may not have been revised.

 

Take a ride in the 430 Here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj58hRUe05M

 

I went to my dealer today as they were hosting an F1 viewing party. I entered through their storage facility in the back so I was able to contemplate a lot of the beautiful examples they are currently holding. Out of the sea of amazing cars one particular example caught my eye. The red paint contrasting with the black CF racing seats immediately popped for me, then upon closer inspection I realized it was my own car! I'm now more sure than ever that I've made the right choice

 

Both are beautiful cars, both are great to drive. I chose a 430 and love it, I am very happy with my decision. I can tell you that the following all effected my decision: Better maintenance (chains not belts), more power, the manettino, the look of the steering wheel, the performance, the breaks. But to be perfectly honest, I let a sales person have a huge effect on me (although I did not buy the car from her) - she said two things that I have to admit affected me. "A 430 is a 360 on steroids and a 430 is the last 'mans' car, hell I can even drive a 458". That pretty well made my decision good or bad, and I know that it was just a sales tool, but I am happy with my decision.

 

I was looking for a 360 for a year or two and I wanted to buy from my friendly Salt Lake Ferrari dealer (really great guys) but they never had one. But one day they had a beautiful 430. I talked to them about it and even though I looked like I couldn't afford a sandwich (I only have one suit and thank God I hardly ever have to wear it) they let me test drive it. As my business was doing well I found I could afford it and so I bought it. I have since test driven a 458 but I guess my taste is on the low-brow side because no 458 looks to me as good as my 430 (Grigio Silverstone with a red interior, with gray seat accents). So I will continue to "slum" it in my F430.

 

Totally agree! A more complete look.
The 430 looks grrreat, but has an exterior that consists of a blend of aggressive and smooth lines.

 

thanks, just catching up on these threads

 

I guess im in the small minority, but I prefer the f430 but "settle" for a 360...based solely on price...I just cant cost-justify the price difference for what is essentially a weekend toy for me in a climate with a short summer driving season, and forget about the WAF (wife acceptance factor).
I prefer the less bulbous headlights of the f430, larger more aggressive rear intakes, more modern rear end and interior, and increased power and driveability (engine power curve and more evolved f1 trans).

 

Then why did you buy a 360? You should have waited and saved and bought an F430. This is especially odd because you've started a million threads with 360 questions but you really wanted to buy an F430? So now you have a 360 but still prefer an F430. That probably takes a lot of the fun out of ownership. Life is short. You should get what you want. Save more, wait longer, etc. there is not a huge difference in price between the two. If you're looking at a manual 360 to f1 F430, the F430 is cheaper. Just my $.02.