488 GTO ?

I can't speak for myself but I believe this is common practice regarding upcoming models in the F-universe. I've read so from so many people around here.

 

It's true that the heart of every Ferrari is its engine and the marque identifies with engine performance, sound and feel more than any car maker. Today though one cannot overlook the importance of aero and that's why all new Ferraris are styled in house. They remain stunning!!! As for the LaFerrari, other than unsubstantiated rumours there is no evidence that PF had anything to do with it.

 

I have to ask when you say fail to deliver are you walking about a game of "who has the best numbers" or is there any subjectivity involved at all?

 

Not sure if it is common practice for some dealers, but as far as Ferrari are concerned, the car does not exist until it is announced. Therefore dealers should be taking pre-orders with no deposit until the car is announced. In my 22 years of dealing with Ferrari I have only been asked once for a deposit on a car that is not yet announced


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Maybe I misunderstood at some point. It would make sense that actual deposits are only taken when the car is announced, but surely there are lists before that, many people are on the list for the 488 "special version" as I've read. Which is by the way what the previous poster wrote, not deposits mentioned.

 

As of right now, the car does not exist inside the Ferrari order system MODIS. Because the car does not exist there, there can be no allocations or orders other than those "hand shake" deals with dealers. I've gone to my dealer and said I would like to be on the dealer list of names to be submitted when the factory asks. And that is as far as I or anyone here has gotten.

 

At least one person here claims to have an order in the system, perhaps without an allocation:
See
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/488-gto.550681/page-36 post #891

there's a screen shot of the myferrari page showing the GTO as a regular car.

 

zero.zero chance of anyone with an actual Ferrari Factory allocation at this point. period.

 

Agreed, zero chance - the dealers can’t see it on MODIS.

 

Exactly

 

I agree.

In which case, may be the person who posted this, Rossocorsa1, can enlighten us.

 

Hi, BarryK. I believe you’re confusing me with someone else. I don’t know anyone claiming to have a MODIS allocation. I’m quit certain nobody does at this point.

 

this should be for everybody clear. without Modis allocation. nothing is 101%.

but. we all can imagine that every F dealer is getting 1-5 cars (depending on the size maybe also 10). and if the dealer principal and/or the F regional manger tells you that you will get their car / one of their 488VS. you will get it.

we can cry like: nobody has an vaild allocation.
or we can face reality like: if you wait till allocations can be insert in Modis. it is likely to late to start calling a dealer.

i‘m so pumped for middle of January. than we should know it if ‚just‘ a bit faster, lighter, louder. or if we get also real aero (above 700kg), Kers, etc.

how such dealer pre events / pre infos are held normally? somebody has experience?

could this info look like a couple of slides?
a live web presentation?
only in maranello or with a privat viewing event for data protection?

 

Sorry not true. I read an article from the PF designer that was associated with it. I recall it was an interview of sorts with someone who was doing a story with him and at the time took note of it. I will try and find the interview again but it certainly was not unsubstantiated. I see no reason why he would lie in the interview. My takeaway from it was that they were peripherally involved but not a direct collaboration like other projects. If I can't find the evidence I guess you can say its unsubstantiated but I know what I read and also have no reason to lie.

 

I doubt KERS btw. And I also hope it doesn’t bring KERS. If they adopt something similar to the formula of the CS, Scud and Speciale, massive aero won’t be on the agenda. Power will be around 700hp (Speciale was 600 while 650s was, well, 650 - so they won’t be afraid of being less than 720). Yet still, everyone remembers the Speciale and noone really remembers the 650. They won’t depart from a successful and winning formula - why should they?

This car will be about details. Many many details that produce a harder-core character to the 488, and make a car that people who appreciate well-judged refinements that enhance the driving experience will want to buy. To those who say Ferrari need to up their game in the face of competition from McLaren, I would personally urge major caution. If Ferrari respond to the hp race from McLaren, they will stop doing the things that I love about them. The GTO will be brilliant just by using the same formula - a little extra power, a little less weight, a little more tech, all aimed in the right direction - at the driving experience = a lot more car. I’ll be shocked if it’s not utterly brilliant. They are the best at doing this IMV.

 

these are the two known proposals from pininfarina for laferrari. model 4 had really nice mirrors

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Correct - he is rossocorsa and not rossocorsa1. He appears to be the only one here with the GTO showing up on myferrari.

 

Not to get sidetracked on a LaFerrari design discussion on this thread (that belongs in a different section), but if these are in fact Pininfarina proposals for LaFerrari than Ferrari certainly made the correct choice to design in house.

 

Oh, I would never call anyone on fchat a liar. I am sure you 've read that. I just don't believe those claims and Ferrari themselves refute them. Okay, maybe designers combined different ideas but the end design is Ferrari, not PF.


As for the GTO, people who expect anything more than some aero and electronic tweaks combined with a bit more power, are not familiar with Ferrari's history and way of doing things apparently...

 

There are about 200 official Ferrari dealers worldwide, if we expect a production of 2,500 cars that's an average of more than 12 cars for each dealer; large ones will probably get about 30 IMHO (the list of 200 also counts separately what are actually different offices - in different cities - for some dealers, so that the number of companies selling Ferrari is smaller).

 

I hope the factory finds a good (sounding) exhaust system for the new car

 

The dealers have already prepared lists of interested customers, in Europe it is common that they take deposits to confirm the reality of the interest - the deposits are not binding though, they can be withdrawn at any time before the real order is placed (obviously for this real order the model must exist in the system, which is not currently the case for the 488 VS).
Even for regular versions the first deliveries go to people having registered their interest before the car is officially orderable, people waiting for orderability are initially getting the long lead times.

 

Watch the new Salomodrin video on youtube from 13:16- 14:15



at first I was like "ya the 488 GTB sounds decent, not bad".......but then you hear the Huracan Performante and its like WOW!!!

 

You can’t compare sounds properly in a static situation. You need to put fuel through it under load. The n/a Lamborghini will undoubtedly sound better, but don’t underestimate the 488. It’s a great sounding turbo engine when you’re fully on it. It’s vocal and it engages with you as you drive. My comparison cars are good too - Aston V12s, Ferrari V8s (including the old 5 valve 3.6 litre), RS Porsche etc. There is no reason to feel short changed with a 488 in the sound department, even though it is not at the level of the best n/a cars. It is way ahead of the Mac 12C, 650 and 720 though. (675 sounds ok though).

 

This video was posted on another thread. He mentioned the headlights. A headlight has two basic functions. 1. Light up the road. 2. Aesthetically it is one of the most important elements of the front face. Salmondrin chose the Macs lights as clearly ahead of the Ferrari because.....it also contains an air vent?! Hahaha. Considering a headlights’s basic purpose...the 720’s look awful and no mention about whether they light the road well or not! As I said on the other thread, I can’t understand why but I like Salmondrin. He talks nonsense though.