My (Bob) Norwood Experience

Only my opinion, I agree with everything above apart from the last part, you could own a warehouse full of much better motors than the price it now takes to secure just one 250 GTO, yet they keep on selling. Desirability is subjective. The OP didn't want a F430 for his budget, he wanted a well sorted Ferrari based car that looked similar to a 288 GTO, his budget in the right hands could have achieved that.

 

Did find the constant complaining about a non-fettled car (of any model) to get old fast so I see where that was read as me defending the car model itself, but I thought those disagreements were about conflating issues with ill-maintained cars with well-sorted ones. (also nothing to do with this thread). Do think there are some disingenuous aspects to this thread story. Do think the thread makes the job any next attorney who takes the case much much harder. Airing dirty laundry just doesn't work if any intention of legal action. If it's just revenge posting against the other person (who in this case does look to have done several shady things reading in best light to the aggrieved) it still doesn't work. My comments wouldn't be any different if any other member had started this thread.

 

I think I explained my position in post #151, here:
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/my-bob-norwood-experience.576625/page-7#post-146011491

I have no dog in the fight, and have never dealt with Bob Norwood.

I really do wish you a positive outcome. But I think sometimes you can be your own worst enemy in achieving a positive outcome.

My poking you in the ribs -- in the same way I would if we were shoulder to shoulder in any garage or bar -- is my way of trying to get you to see that, although I can understand why others think I'm kicking you when you're down. Tone of voice doesn't exist in the internet.

I'm sincerely curious as to why, after a bad Mondial experience, you want another Ferrari, and why you think this is project is going to be much different. Or, more to the point, how you think that this standoff realistically ends.

And my free advice to help you get out of this mire: either file an injunction and get a court order, or invite Bob to sit down to binding arbitration.

Matt

 

it Sure seems like this situation could last a fair amount of time longer unfortunately. I have to also say that having read all the replies, while I don’t agree with some of them, all hold some valuable information for anyone else contemplating a custom built Ferrari.

 

That's what happens after the standoff ends. It's not the resolution.

I really think you would benefit from a clear vision on how to get the heck out of the situation you're in.

I'm concerned that you think you have more clarity than you do. And that you are entitled to a better resolution than you are.

Matt

 

I can tell you're concerned.

What resolution do you think he's ENTITLED to? I would have thought he's entitled to get what Norwood promised at the cost he promised.

 

Aaron, can you not get these guys around a table somehow, you seem to be on terms with Norwood and are now also up to speed with the OPs position.

There is an outcome here that all bar the lawyers could be happy with.

 

But that very clearly isn't going to happen.

Matt

 

^^^^^ +1

 

Are you suggesting a Pow Wow with Dr. Phil?

 

I should have said: "a better resolution than you are going to get."

Matt

 

Get cash. Sign release. Thank everyone who encouraged you to do so because life will be fun again.

You are making a fuss and digging a hole. Just quit. Try to get back at him later when it will not hurt your stomach. Accept it may bring nothing and then hassle him as much as you like. Just put a good nights sleep first on your to do list. And listen. Please.

 

I suspect there was some discussion in the private moderator forum.

 

Big difference.

I certainly hope so, not they'd ever admit it *sigh*

 

Any discussion that occurred was about Aircon's never-ending nitpicking of mods. It's been going on for centuries, er, at least, feels like it.

Being bored & having to have last word is already a bad combo as it is. Worse than a gaggle of nosy old ladies.

No mod was inclined to tell, ask or suggest Smiles act differently, as he is a straight shooter.

"I am weak-ish on snatch" ~ joker57676

 

Oh good one.... So it's my fault? Is it my fault that others thought the same thing about smiles' posts as I did? Interesting view.

No apology from me for pointing out poor form, just like you do..... And I would have commented even if he wasn't a mod.... The fact that he is a mod just made it worse imo.... And the fact that so many of you mods have commented cements that fact..... Since he's a "user first" he's certainly getting very special attention by you.

 

Flat out wrong.

Matt

 

Then that's a real shame.... But it's interesting how so many mods have popped up and commented on a thread that they generally would neither see nor post in.

 

Multiple implied allegations that I lied?

Enjoy a week time off.

Matt

 

Russ spent a few antagonistic years on the Mondial forum; we got in our fair share of disagreements. I came to the same conclusion many here already have about his methodology. Suffice it to say, It wasn't a surprise to myself and many others on the results of his latest endeavor. Similar to this thread, the line between what is a 'personal' attack quickly blurs as criticisms on one's actions can't help but spill over to one's character. This post notwithstanding as you can see.

Russ had stated to us that he bought a Mondial 8, sight unseen from a government auction, put a lot of resources into it, and felt it still had problems and sold it. That to me is the classic definition of a "non-fettled car." Ironically, It was later 'flipped' by the person he sold it too for a significantly higher amount after some TLC. I can respect one's sincere opinions, especially on things as subjective on cars; but revisionist history is still just that.

I do believe we parted ways with civil decorum. Many here as myself sympathize of course with Russ's situation, but at the same time, we all see these are same battles fought. Patterns do emerge, and the past however painful cannot often be erased, especially on the internet.

 

As a sponsor, I probably should fall into the same higher standards as mods but I too am a member 1st, sponsor 2nd.

That said, I don't personally know Matt. I don't feel his comments in this thread are out of line at all. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought he actually apologized for one?

My experience on this site has been a bunch of very fair mods. Even when they are wrong, they are fair (j/k)

 

The next time I walk in at 3am and my wife says, "where have you been!?" I'm going to say, "What do you mean where have I been!? What about the way the mods are commenting!?!"

Sure fire way to derail a conversation.

 

FWIW - I still use TapaTalk which allows start of first sentence to be seen & if someone gets to the point PDQ, I'm curious.

If I see complaints or concerns about something, then I'm curious as to there being: a valid complaint or concern; not one; somewhere in the middle; your trademark incessant whinging about mods.

In the mod section, there's no thread regarding the OP or this thread.

However, there is your very own personal, ancient thread in mod section, which is dusted off once in a while. Not always, mind you, as unlike yourself, we've got better things to do than let every little thing bother us so much that we've just *got* to whinge about it.

But, once in a while, you decide to just let your fevered imagination run right thru your fingertips, hit Send and therefore broadcast some contrived falsehood, like Smiles' integrity or that of mods who normally don't comment on threads they've seen over and over again, what imaginary discussion took place, when the disgustion was with you.

"I am weak-ish on snatch" ~ joker57676