Honda engine now better than Renault

If true, McLaren must be shaking it's head wondering what they have done....

https://www.planetf1.com/news/tost-honda-engine-now-in-front-of-renault/

 

So does Ricciardo....

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Good point!

I think Honda will shine next week at home. More more "GP2! GP2!" crap over the microphones.

 

If you were to ask me which maker was MORE motivated to do well in F1 and improve the most, there's no question its Honda over Renault.

Anyone who thinks Honda's engineering isn't up to snuff is just fooling themselves.

 

Power means nothing if it can't finish races.

 

Agreed... but it seems like the Honda is about on par with Renault now in that category. I don't believe the Honda is better than Ferrari or Merc but it could very well be now the 3rd best motor on the grid.

 

Weren't you sh!tting on Honda not too long ago?

 

I watched the race in Sochi, too lazy to look up the final word...what happened with the Toro Rosso cars? Brakes?

 

Everyone was the last 2 years. My issue was that no one believed Honda could come back and I was one that said they COULD.

But it turns out what I was also saying is true --- McLaren put too many restrictions on the engine layout which Honda said would be a problem. Honda said with RB it was the opposite and they immediately started to improve

Let's face it -- who would know better the Honda v Renault engine than RB. They run BOTH of them!

 

Yes brakes on both it seems....

 

Honda is using STR as a development mule by introducing several new specs this year. Ferrari and Mercedes cannot afford introducing new spec engines as they are in too tight of a battle fight now. Honda can still introduce a couple more new specs of engines at Austin , Rio, and Abu Dabi and get closer to Ferrari and Mercedes. 2019/2020 could be quite interesting if Honda is both powerful and reliable in the Red Bull chassis.

 

I think it was only a matter of time until Honda got their act together. However, I for one, did not think it would take this long. Good for Honda. I hope they are back and it will be a great 2019 with RBR, Merc and Ferrari challenging each other. Make F1 Great Again!

 

Honda said McLaren's design restrictions were part of the problem.

 

So with STR as a cooperating partner, the motor should be good to go in 2019! When that happens, what will be the difference between RBR and STR cars? If they have the same motor, wouldn't they also be running the same suspension and chassis?

 

Honda reporting PU instability and may not use the new motor for Japan. They are running out of races to get it right. Dyno in offseason is not good enough. As far as the 'parity' goes that's questionable as the Renault chassis is certainly not that good nor is the Toro. We will not know anything 'definitive' with respect to Honda until winter testing. I have doubts about Honda overall. Toro might be a 'test' bed but appears to not be a very good one. Time will tell.

 

Well that is a gut punch.

 

I think Honda would prefer they run a race without blowing up in Japan. No one cares about where TR places.

Next year they are in a big boy car. That will be the real test.

 

Very true. Big boy car completely reliant on not so big boy results currently.

 

Me thinks Renault are abandoning the current formula and waiting until 2021. Develop the chassis and aero, get all your ducks in a row. Right now Merc have ruled the hybrid turbo era and i personally think they have more juice in the tank than they show. Hamilton will be a 6 possibly 7 time WDC by the time this is over at which point he'll retire as one of the greatest ever statistically speaking.

 

From a cost view I have no problem with them doing that. It would make sense if they have a good feel for the coming new regulations.

 

Unfortunately I believe you are correct; and the statistics book will not indicate that the championships were gifted, they will say that they were "won".
That is the problem when you only read the number without the context/circumstances behind said numbers.

 

Tells how much backwards Renault has gone

 

I was just refreshing my memory to what McLaren are running next year...so what is the difference between a Ferrari engine and an Alfa Romeo engine?

 

Both are running the same PU and software....according to new rules by the FIA. It's about aero and suspension thats the difference between the 2.