All Season Tires

Hi all, I recently purchased a ‘12 FF and love it. This will be my first winter with the car and was hoping to get some feedback. I have stock rims which I bought michelin pilot sport all season tires for the rear. For the front tires, 245 35 r20, the Michelin are not avail until February 1, 2022, therefore, if I wait, my car will be sitting in the garage for a month or two at least. I was able to locate 245 40 r20 of the Michelin pilot sport A/S. Is it ok/possible to use the bigger sidewall tire?


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Hi Robert, I’m curious to understand why you are planning to use an all season tyres on a high performance car? The weather envelope to justify them on an F12 is going to be very narrow indeed. Most of the time, they simply combine the sub-optimal aspects of dedicated summer or winter tyres without giving you the advantages of the summer or winter tyres.

To answer your question, I wouldn’t expect that sizing up to a 40 sidewall would be a problem but there are more knowledgeable tyre experts on here who will chime in shortly…

 

245/40R20 will fit fine. They will need the correct rear size. Either 275/40R20 or 315/35R20 is an option.

These two options will work well.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+All+Season+4&frontTire=535YR0PSAS4XL&rearTire=035YR0PSAS4XL

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+All+Season+4&frontTire=44YR0PSAS4XL&rearTire=135YR0PSAS4XL

Personally I would prefer the former.

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I bought 295 35 r20 pilot sport all seasons for the rear, no good?


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Hey Ano, my thought process was that I had lived in Europe for a few years and had a 3 series bmw there. Every winter I’d change to winter tires and they were very soft. One year I shipped an 8cyl BMW X5 to Europe and drove it around all winter with all season tires and it felt better than the 3. Obv none of these cars are high performance but from my experience I’d rather have all seasons than winter tires


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Those wiĺl work with 255/35R20.

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Thank you for the feedback, greatly appreciated


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If you go from 245 35 r20 to 245 40 r20 your odometer will read 65 mph but you will actually be going 67.34 mph.

This website is a handy tool - https://tiresize.com/calculator/

 

are these the new Michelin All Season 4? i started a thread earlier about them. they come standard on corvette c8 and have pretty good reviews so far.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/michelin-has-released-the-pilot-sport-4-all-season-for-f12-sizes.645597/#post-148023241

 

Doesn't matter. It is off more than that from the factory. It will simply read more accurately.

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Actually that would be the case with my Lexus LS as it consistently reads 2 to 3 mph below actual. However, both of my 612 and FF read spot on accurate.

At any rate, the switch to that size tire will increase actual speed over indicated speed by 2.34 mph at accurate read 65 mph.

 

My FF under-reads with the stock setup but is almost correct with my slightly larger 265/35/20 and 315/30/21 tyres fitted. I have to remind myself that there’s no error margin when I’m over the speed limit!

 

Actually this does remind me that I just put on my snow tires and they are a size smaller than the summer ones.

 

I have never seen an FF or Lusso read correct. Also, by EU law, a car must read above and no less than 3 kph.

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Maybe the US spec is a little different. Many towns in my area have these solar powered speed radar signs that display your speed. One street in a neighboring town has 2 of these on the same street getting cars going both ways. I regularly go past these and both the 612 and FF read exactly. The Lexus is always under the indicated speed. I should try it with my wife's Panamera and my Harley.

That is interesting about the EU law. I didn't know about it and we always use a rental or lease car when we're in Europe.

 

I use full winters on mine, Pirelli Sottozero. Same size as summer tyres. I have a full set of wheels so change the whole thing for 2 or 3 months each year. I'd maybe consider selling your all seasons on ebay and just going full winter.

I have the standard wheels for winter and the diamond cut ones for summer. The look of the car is so different on each set which is actually nice and makes change.

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