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Assume the F167 has a smaller, say 4.0 NA V12 revving to 9,000 RPM driving the rear wheels and electric motors driving the front wheels. If the electric weight penalty is compensated for by the smaller V12 and slightly more compact proportions (as mentioned by day355) I am not so concerned, especially if there is a return to more elegance in the design. It would make the car highly usable (4WD), allowed in cities where only hybrid/electric can be used, quiet when needed and ticking the eco box for those who care or believe the hype.
I think you are kidding yourself if you don't think the US will follow suit down the line. The negative attitude towards high consumption sports cars is global and politicians will try to cater to the majority. At some point the EPA will more than likely come up with more stringent noise and pollution restrictions. You should also remember that just because some of us live in the EU, we do not agree with what they do and say. I did not ask for Euro 6 or 7, nor did I vote for it, and nor do I think the EU's ridiculous thoughts on electric vehicles is viable. Anyhoo not wanting to get too political here, just saying it's not that black and white. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
I definitely like the idea of a hybrid n/a v12. I would however prefer it to be RWD if it's a front mid engine car like the 812. If it's a mid engined car, by all means, bring it on as long as it works as good or better than in the SF90. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
I don't blame Ferrari for anything. Just saying that from a a commercial standpoint, Ferrari is better off marketing their future cars as "the best they can do, period." rather than openly saying to the whole EU market that they are being short changed. Don't forget that there's also a level of national pride in it for Ferrari in saying that they offer the best they can in their own country. This cannot be compared with the 208 Turbo. Totally different company and like Marcel said, totally different world. Let's see what comes next. If Lamborghini is in fact going to offer a 1200 hp hybrid V12, you can an be quite sure that Ferrari will not let that pass without making a proper competitor. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
I am curious how would you know that? Leiters even reiterated fighting for the V12 at the SP3 launch...?
The board approved letting go of Leiters because of a personality difference that had nothing to do with V12 engines or any engine discussions? If so, seems to me that sends the same signal, V12 = not important to Ferrari, remove the maestro and replace him with ...no one
I don't know that. But I don't know the opposite to be a hard fact either. A bit of a "glass half full" situation if you will. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
The smaller the displacement the larger the electric motor has to be to keep the total hp competitive. As the smog requirements increase the smaller the ICE gets and then it just makes sense to go full electric.
In these hybrid cars, the electric motors and their size is no the challenge. A 300 hp motor is a small watercooled unit weighing less than 12 kg. The challenge is the batteries cooling and what controls it, not the motors. If you had 100 hp of electric motor on each wheel, those would be tiny units you can hold in one had. Probably less than 5 kg each. I have a 30 hp electric motor in my hobby room that weighs 1.1 kg. Just as a point of reference. If they can get a battery in there that will deliver the power, then it's not far fetched with 400-600 hp electric power. What Rimacs claim to fame is, is not the motors but rather the batteries. The compact batteries is the big deal in both Rimacs own car as well as the Batista. It is also why Koenigsegg uses Rimac batteries in the Regera and Gemera. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Understood but look at the value of manual Ferraris and the take rate at Porsche. The brands are noticing. I just think a lot of people will lose passion about cars as they become appliances. It’s crazy that China and others can pump whatever they want into the air, water and ground and the attack is on a few thousand cars being sold and driven a few thousand miles per year. I’m sure legislation by group think and bureaucratic process will solve their issues.
When I mentioned larger as in the larger the electric motor has to be I was referring to the larger the horsepower has to be not the size. When the ICE gets smaller in power the electric motor has to get more powerful to be competitive in overall power. Eventually the ICE disappears especially when the cost becomes unmanageable to meet ultra-tight smog requirements I believe Rimac's initial thrust into the industry was in their leading edge 4-motor controller and software. They were looking to license the design to global manufacturers which I thought was very smart. No need to build cars if you can have everyone who does pay you for the rights to these novel 4-motor torque vectoring designs.
See post #26 on here: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/leiters-is-out-end-of-the-v12.652622/page-2#post-148272787 Many mentions of Leiters about keeping the pure V12 alive. Him leaving, is another indication for @day355 words to be the truth!
My wild guess is the large NA V12 will only last in the Puro until the EV version shows up - Its got to be a 1000hp battery pack right ?
