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  1. merstheman

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    Wasn't the sale of the 335S meant to pay for those succession rights?
     
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  2. nerofer

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    Yes, at least in part. But it would be very difficult to know at what amount the collection was evaluated, who decided on the value of each car, to what extent did the tax administration agree on these values (or did they dispute these?)
    What was the evaluation of the whole estate, and how much would the succession rights be. I would be surprised that the sale of one car, even a very significant one, could cover the total amount...

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    Pierre Bardinon sold a lot of cars before he died. In the mid 80's there were still 25 or 30 cars (Ferrari) in the collection. The money from the ones that were sold should be somewhere. I think there are less than 10 Ferrari left.
     
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    How would we know? He was what you would call a "wealthy person"; not one you would call "rich", but "wealthy"; he made a lot of money in the sheepskin business. And he was always a wise investor. The size of the estate, then the amount of inheritance tax, is everybody's guess...(except the tax administration, of course...)

    Rgds
     
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    List of the cars remaining on his collection, i recently made an update because i've always been fan of his cars, to me the greatest Ferrari collector in the world :

    Ferrari 166 F2 - #006C
    Ferrari 375MM Berlinetta - #0368AM
    Ferrari 375 Plus - #0396AM
    Ferrari 250 GT SWB - #2937 GT
    Ferrari 250 LM - #5841
    Ferrari 330 P - #0822
    Ferrari 330 P4 - #0860
    Ferrari 312P - #0870
    Ferrari 312 B - #001
    Ferrari 312 PB - #0884
    Ferrari 512 BBi - #21257
    Ferrari F50 - #103488
    Ferrari 550 Maranello - #108746

    He was one of the first in France to purchase an Enzo but i heard she was sold a few years ago.
    The F50 isn't road legal she was ordered with improved engine specs, no rear view mirors and slick tires. Bought only for his track... Kind of a masterpiece, pretty unique.
     
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    IIRC the Enzo was sold (to an Italian buyer) back around 2006.
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    Photos of the F50? Sounds fascinating.
     
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    Per the post quoted above by Marcel Massini I believe that #0822 was sold back in 2006 via Terry Hoyle to an unknown British owner.
     
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    Here's a very short video of her on the track:
    I Had a picture on one of my computers I've to find it and i'll post it Here as soon as possible.
     
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    PS: the F50 was bought when he sold the GTO Evoluzione,
    The GTO #70167 who was bought via Michelotto was a monster to drive...and to maintain. Back in the day she wasn't fully completed and needed some engineering interventions, for example the wheel axles were often broken and the wheels ran away from the track...
     
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    What a sound. Thanks for posting!
     
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    Anyone know what the ex-Bardinon 275P sold for last year?
     
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    Fake news according to the prominent Bardinon family member I was in contact with earlier today.
     
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    It's over and done, Marcel: the french supreme court has definitively rejected his appeal, so decided he has to reimburse his brother and sister, and bring the proceeds of the sales back into the succession.
    "Supreme court" (= "Cour de Cassation") meaning: definitive; no appeal possible.

    https://fr.motor1.com/news/524143/ferrari-250-gto-bardinon-cassation/

    The legal analysis (in French): the appeal to the supreme court has not been considered "acceptable", so it has not even been examined ("pourvoi rejeté" = "appeal rejected")

    https://cms.law/fr/fra/news-information/succession-bardinon-ferrari-250-gto201



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    Any news about what is left in the collection nowadays ?

    The decision of the French court in respect of the GTO was totally understandable. That issue related to basic family / patrimony law and proof.

    If someone has came across some words about the remaining cars it would be welcomed.

    Best Regards.
     
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    I'm guessing the P4 is still there?
     
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