The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

No.
It is "Kardashian".
A bit more quality, please. Thank you.
Regards, Alberto

 

For every hater, there is a blind sycophant who can’t help it, either.

 

Thank you for confirming.
Just out of (mild) curiosity, which camp would you identify with, “hater” or “sycophant” for one ?
Being that English is not my native language and having never received any formal education for it, I had to google up what the “sycophant” means, see below (copied from Oxford dictionary)


syc·o·phant
/ˈsikəfənt,ˈsikəˌfant/
noun

1. a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage.
   "because he is high-ranking, he's surrounded by sycophants"

 

Sorry Alberto, but that CARdashian was a deliberate pun.
Talk about a group of stronzos and their sycophants blinded by their “hate” and sense of entitlement.

 

How about you offering positive proof of your apparent viewpoint that this car is 0846? All you do instead is bad mouth those who have offered specific proof of the opposite view.


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So was mine Timo... it has been said before, and not by me

I am pleased on "stronzo" becoming an f-chat new word.

Regards, Alberto

 

I assume or certainly hope you’re joking and not just acting/behaving like one of those “another lazy & stupid poster” someone else here often refers to in regards to that subject and related topic.

I have made my views on both clear long ago and more than once, but if someone has failed to pay attention, I can’t help but sympathize with that “someone else”.

P.S. I too get often annoyed by comments and posts by many here, especially those with nothing interesting or worthwhile to contribute about (vintage) cars, but try not to publicly out them all as some could mistake such approach as a personal attacks and eventually get me banned for good, preventing me to annoy others.

 

@ylshih So you're happy for the above poster to carry on continually making personal attacks against me. The above is just one of many. I don't really care as his posts reflect on him rather than me.

 

Start a Stronzo thread?

 

@375+
I think it has endless opportunities, from the #1 of them all to scammers, lowlifes, and other undesirables that
pollute or otherwise area negative influence in this chat. Clearly, a volatile subject

Regards, Alberto

 

Steven, I don't really lose sleep over this, but I fail to see your name quoted. Why take it personally?
Just ignore it and sleep better.

Regards, Alberto

 

Much of the last two pages of posts were moved here from the barchetta.cc thread.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/status-of-barchetta-cc.672441/

This all started because you just had to inject your opinion of barchetta.cc's treatment of their 0846 data on the barchetta.cc thread and it blew up into another 0846 bicker. I will remind you of what Wayne said 7 years ago.

0846 content is still contentious and is still ruining the experience for other users. The only change is that the focus has shifted from 0846's originality to the behavior of the users debating about 0846. What the site objects to isn't 0846 content, but 0846 content continually being a source of friction and misbehavior and that it continues to leak onto innocent or unrelated threads.

Your behavior is a large (but not the only) part of that. You're like the fisherman telling his "big fish" story for the umpteenth time to any and all who will listen or can't escape. The audience is tired of and bored to tears with the repetition, but the fisherman doesn't ever see that and keeps on retelling his brief moment of glory.

Again,
and again,
and again,
and again,
and again,
...

In these circumstances, if some members of his audience openly yawn, walk away, or otherwise express their disapproval, then that's not necessarily a "personal attack", it's also peer moderation or feedback.

There is only ONE 0846 thread and it has also been designated as the ONLY 0846 thread. Several years ago, you were thread banned from multiple threads for sidetracking them to 0846 or using them to stalk JG. We can reinstitute that at any time.

 

What are the pro's & con's of simply closing/deleting the thread once & for all? All future posts on the subject then simply disappear..... Surely by now we have other things to discuss?

 

What I love most about this LOLMFAO "Thorough" investigation is that they will only go down the paths that confirm their narrative, ask them an unanswered question that does not fit their narrative, and they will have nothing to say but ridicule you for bringing up a valid point.

Again there is nothing thorough or professional or educated about claiming a car is a fake by comparing 55 year old pictures with how a car sits today. Although there's a good chance those pictures DO tell the tale, cars can change over the years, mostly race cars under the stewardship of a guy known to do it his way, there is nothing definitive or final from this type of Where's Waldo investigation.

I'd bet that Miura SVU has zero idea what the O.D., I.D., wall thickness, and type of tubing is used in 00030846 let alone any of the P3/4 or Piper cars and has not compared them whatsoever. There's a better than good chance the tubing used on the Ferrari's Vs. Pipers has varying characteristics etc. and when you're doing a "thorough investigation" into what is a million dollar car, Ferrari or not, a real investigator would leave no stone un-turned before publicly declaring their picture show is fact if they have any fear of a courtroom.

Early on MiuraSVU Claimed the frames were built at Vaccari and Bosi. Now it's 00030846 was built by Allegretti. OK, fact change when you are doing a thorough investigation. Fair enough. But where is the actual documentation these cars were indeed built by Allegretti? As in any of them? Let alone 00030846? Or are we just using hearsay as facts to fuel the thorough narrative? Is there any actual documentation that any were built by Allgretti? And most Importantly, where is the documentation that 00030846 was built from scratch at Allegreti? There is none, just a bunch of hearsay and you gotta believe me.

Although I am not claiming whatsoever, That Jim G has proved his case whatsoever, in a court of law, any decent Lawyer could poke a thousand holes of reasonable doubt in this "thorough investigaion." LOL.

 

Yes, okay but I had to use the Barchetta 0846 page as an example of inaccuracy on the Barchetta site.

I disagree with that. The real Ferrari 330 P3/P4 #0846 is of interest to very many people, though what is ruining the experience is people continually making uninformed posts who know nothing about the real 0846, know nothing about the Piper/Glickenhaus fake and are brazenly posting without having read the thread.

The misbehaviour is not mine and yet you unjustly point to me as the one misbehaving and you do nothing to moderate the ones actually misbehaving with their personal attacks.

Absolute rubbish. For a long time since posting proof the Glickenhaus car is a fake, as in the link here I only respond to misinformation that has been posted. It's very telling that you refer to my extensive research as my big fish story and predictable that you diminish that I proved exactly what the Glickenhaus car IS and is NOT as my brief moment of glory. If I post again and again and again then its only in reponse to the rubbish and misinformation that is being posted again and again again. For the people who have actually read it, how many debates that had gone on for 15+ years have you solved? Many people here believed the car to be real, yet as a result of my research, most people now know the car is a fake with a 3 litre 312 F1 engine. I also post numerous facts about many other Classic and Racing Ferraris. I don't just posts about this subject.

Disagree. That's just your spin.

I have never stalked JG. I have only responded to the vast fake information he posted over many years.

 

This is what I love most about this hahahaha, thourough investigation. The "expert" has never once been in the presence of this chassis, and I'm guessing any other P chassis whether Ferrari or Piper, yet he has somehow led a "thorough" investigation with definitive results, yet he hasn't prob been within 1000 miles of the chassis in question? Hahahahaha.... sure, ok!

Another thing I love, is how they say Jim G wont come back here to refute MiuraSVU's "definitive" claims due to his Ego. I have to laugh. How much of 0846 does one feel is needed to pump up a man's Ego that is literally building his own race cars and racing at LeMans? Hahahaha. I really doubt that guy needs the admiration of a bunch of guys that hate him to have enough air to keep whatever ego he has afloat. The guy is literally building race cars and racing them at the great circuits of the world, I'm sure his EGO will be just fine if MiuraSVU Et al. don't believe him. The originality of this chassis, I would bet on, is not needed for him to have all the ego he wants, as he is literally doing what Ferrari did and building his own cars, which IMO, are pretty amazing machines. Much more interesting than what corporate Ferrari is producing today.

Have a blessed day laddies...

 

This is exactly the reason why this thread won't die. Here we have someone that refuses to accept the photos and information from people far more knowledgeable than himself on this topic. He throws red herrings about like he has some actual comprehension on this when he either does not or is nothing more than a shill hiding behind a fake name for someone else.

Questions for Vincent Vangool:
What amount of original parts would you deem necessary for this to be 0846? Would one bolt that might have been used on the real 0846 be sufficient?
Do you accept that the engine is not the original engine, nor is it a 4 liter block?
Do you accept that the chassis is not the original and it is known who did fabricate it?

 

Hence you were assigned the accountability for knowingly posting 0846 content outside this ONE and ONLY thread.

The remainder of my post was meant as guidance to avoid future actions from us. But if you refuse to listen, we'll just continue to add to your moderation history.

 

I find you to be way overstepping your role as a fair moderator. You are making unveiled threats which is exposing your vindictiveness on this topic towards Steve.

 

His moderation history is 11 pages long, goes back to 2012, and was contributed to by most of the mods. If a judge, in a "3-strikes, you're out" state warns a felon convicted for the 2nd time, that any future 3rd conviction will have more severe consequences unless they clean up their act, is that a warning or a "threat"? If I were vindictive toward Steve, I could have banned him from the site for a lengthy period. What I am, is frustrated with his inability to follow site rules and policies.

As one example, here's an excerpt from 2013 where a mod wrote about Steve's attempts to shill for certain automotive dealers/brokers:

"He continued to ignore warnings (as I mentioned at the end of my post, we have had other issues with him in the classifieds section) and continued to push other dealers, eventually focusing on XXX. Finally, we told him to just cease from posting anything about XXX."

Note the common theme "continued to ignore warnings".

 

But, you are here on this thread about a particular car that has been misrepresented by its owner for well over a decade attacking the person that did the extensive work to demonstrate to all with a functioning brain the truth. For this he has suffered all sorts of indignations. This topic drove off others so that they only talked privately to avoid retaliation but Steve persevered publicly.

You really should be commending him for his diligent work on this thread's topic.

 

I have only ever used it twice, but I find the Ignore function on this site to be a very useful tool.

As far as the subject at hand, it is beyond my understanding why the mods allow 'un certain' troll to continue to talk nonsense.
Thankfully, content moderation is above my pay grade and I do sincerely appreciate the mods doing what is clearly a thankless job.

There is no longer any real dispute or contrary position that holds water.
This has been definitively settled for many years now thanks to the work of Steve R/ 'miurasv'.

 

I don't know about that but Sailor of the Year (at the Vintage Command) doesn't seem outrageous to me.

I see your point Rob.

On the other hand, to say Steve provided information tends to undersell his specific contribution to this thread.
I would not feel uncomfortable in describing it as Steve having solved the question of authenticity of a replica purporting to be a very significant car in Ferrari's endurance history.
Just my two cents.

Dave