296 VS

Look here have many: In France and Germany a running gag. They have in 2025 now a repair kit or anything,

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/anyone-having-problems-with-the-296.678696/page-5#post-149837361
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I am having problems with the exhaust valves and particulate filters on my Ferrari 296 GTS. The valve doesn’t open at 4,500 RPM, and a warning with a turtle symbol appears. It took Ferrari five weeks to send the replacement part because the company practically did nothing in August. Outrageous. In the meantime, I know at least four Ferrari dealers and numerous GTS drivers who have the same issue.

The way Ferrari handles cars that break down is shocking. No replacement parts were sent out throughout August and then in September, orders were processed slowly.

 

Ah, yes. All the expert engineering that went into the buttons that became sticky for 25 years.

Oh wait, the engineers were too busy making sure the dash didn’t curl.

No that’s not it either. They must have been working on parasitic battery drain!

 

Why is it so difficult to open a thread and discuss the model -
Expert engineering - c'mon it's a small factory building exotics. No one has to order a car from Italy.
Meanwhile people are begging for VS - and the factory if sold out til 2026

 

We are 68 pages deep and waiting for news to trickle in....

We know you are Ferrari fan boy number 1, sorry to disrupt your thread.


EDIT: By the way, I liked your original, unedited message better. "Ivan - you buying a VS?". See how easy it is to upset you when someone makes a negative (yet truthful) point about Ferrari?

 

https://www.instagram.com/varryx_/reel/DGgNze4idhw/

 

I do feel like this reveal is taking forever. Very curious for this car.

 

Sorry Ivy - share your sticky butt and warped board stories.
As a fan boy - I've never experienced or can find anywhere on the forum where this is discussed - 100,000 times. It would just be nice to share VS - that's all.

 

Have people ever wondered what would happen if Ferrari simply couldn't build any noisy more cars because they had to comply with the limit values? Ferrari now builds a lot of cars and let's look at Lamborghini, where the Revuelto has also become much quieter or the Temerario sounds like a tuned hoover. A Dodici cilindri still sounds good but worlds quieter than an 812 Competizione. Ferrari won't that the F80 to be extra quiet. I don't think there's any other way when you build over 10,000 cars a year. Unfortunately, that doesn't bode well for the 296 VS and SF90 M.

When you hear a Pista from the outside than you love a turbo engine, this shows that it is due to the exhaust and OPF.

Congratulations to all those who still have a Pista, Competizione, Speciale, Laferrari.

 

It's certainly a problem for enthusiasts who care about the sound. (I'd wager that accounts for the vast majority of us.) And perhaps I'm naïve, but I suspect that this will become a commercial problem for them over time.

Of course, this is not a problem entirely of Ferrari's making. To a great extent, their hands will be tied by regulations.

Two things I think they can and should do to mitigate it:

1. Stop building all cars to the draconian EU regulations. US-bound cars should not have GPFs and should not adhere to the EU's absurd noise limits.
2. Stop discouraging aftermarket exhausts with threats of voided warranties. They don't need to encourage owners to replace their exhausts. But allowing that freedom will support demand as they're increasingly forced to deliver silent cars.

 

Does each state in the US not have its own vehicle emissions and noise laws?

 

My GTS had this issue. I don't think the factory being closed in August was the issue, it sounded more like a shortage of the replacement part on the supplier side. The problem is that the valve/sensor is NOT a separate part, they have to replace the entire exhaust on that side.

 

Guys, didn’t you hear Oberführer Cucko? Only post if you news about 296 VS!

 

I think you may find that as they are an EU manufacturer they have to comply with the standards . I am in a non Adas market yet all cars are coming through with that ‘box’ hanging off the front since the middle of last year

 

And a heap of non owner opinions that have maybe driven a car for a test drive

 

In theory, yes, but I believe the manufacturers generally build to the lowest common denominator, which is always California. But even California's rules are far less restrictive than the EU's, at least for the moment.

 

My understanding is that the cars must conform with the environmental and safety regulations of the country where they will be registered, not the the jurisdiction in which they're built. But I'm not qualified to say this with any authority. Perhaps this has changed, or perhaps I was always misinformed.

Does anyone know the answer?

 

I think they will do a similar to Pista launch - a video for the "invited" customers then the official lauch shortly after - maybe a few weeks. Guessing this all happens in April.

 

At the end of the day Ferrari designs a car for the best outcome both for the customer and the manufacturing process.

Bolt on options and ‘tailor made’ inputs in terms of manufacturing are easier to input than drive train changes.

The engines being designed and manufactured inhouse are difficult to change once tested and settled . It would require testing and design at the development stage. Overall emissions , noise and gas, need to conform to the strict standards in the environment of development , that is the clearest route through development.

Ferrari are a small manufacturer always striving for better efficiency in manufacture , changing exhausts for markets for the few that do not like the developed exhaust probably does not make sense for them.

It may not be the logic that everyone like however it is a manufacturing logic .

 

When I get my VS I will drive to wherever you are and let's post pics?
Another keyboard warrior that has no skin in the game ... go Draggy
I'm seriously offering - up to you Draggy

 

How many Pista's and Spiders - it's a lot easier / faster to build a Pista than VS.

 

Why would a VS be harder or slower to build (outside of spec, TM, Atelier?) It's a process, with a frame/body, and components etc. It shouldn't be, but I am curious if there is an actual reason why this would be the case?

 

I don't think shipping cars built to EU standards is the best outcome for clients in markets with less strict regulations. And I don't think it's "few markets". But even if it's just the US, that's what, a third of sales?

As for manufacturing, I'm quite certain that they have the resources to offer more than one exhaust. It would require some development sure, but we're talking about a few modifications to the exhaust, not an entirely new gearbox. They could allay some of the costs by offering it as an expensive optional upgrade. I'm sure most US customers would tick that box.

For whatever reason, they don't do it.

 

I can't tell if you're misunderstanding my statement?

Ferrari has great engineering.

That doesn't mean others can't also build good things. Like exhaust systems.

Thats all I was trying to say.

812 GTS with pre-GPF SF exhaust sounds like heaven.

 

You are such a thin skinned and money driven individual, it’s sickening.

Let’s recap: a commenter asks how anyone can improve on Ferrari engineering. I point out where Ferrari engineering has been poor (for many years in fact). Your response (by the way, you weren’t even mentioned in any of this), is to try and “flex” a new car. You are the epitome of a Miami Lambro resident, lol.

I don’t believe anyone is impressed or thinks you are cool. I certainly do not. People like you exist everywhere, and are the most obnoxious one in the group. Always feeling the need to show what latest material item they have as a way to prove themselves for whatever else is missing.

 

Agree and we have been changing out exhausts on Ferrari's for decades
This is nothing new - in fact they have gotten much better
Owned 612 and FF fast forward F12 812 worlds of difference.
Exhaust is less than clear bra and paint correction - engineering imo is at 200 mph or on track, again better than the past where Ferrari is breaking track records, when is the last time Ferrari has gone to tracks to set records - ?