Understood - until you get to the current model and production, I think there is a completely different mindset of owners. Hybrid is an adventure that is love or hate. Pista is a model that never interested me as Mac killed them in this category. Speciale in its day was a great response - expect the VS SF90M to do same. Moving forward we will see what Aston has taken a decade to build - like Lambo my guess is they will fall short, Audi may surprise us all, price and production are nice but speed and the experience matter most.
My post has nothing to do with Pista v 296 or 296 v any other model. The other gentleman posted that his dealer said 15% less 296vs than produced Pistas and so I was giving potential numbers of that. FWIW, I don’t believe anyone outside of maybe 1 person at the top of Ferrari knows what 296VS final production numbers will be like. 2 year or 3 year run, there are too many variables. If there is money to be made, they will sell. No one complained about Pista numbers and the values are holding regardless.
Wondering about the wait times for 296 VS coupe. I am being offered one. Does Ferrari prioritize special edition models for production? The reason I ask is because I am currently 2 years and 2 months in waiting for my Purosangue allocation. Dealer says it will be next year before I see it putting it to a three year wait. If the VS will take another three years, I am not sure I will still want it by the time it delivers. At lease the Puro is still somewhat rare in the US.
Received Puro - waited 6 months and sold - depends where you are in line. 1-2 years more for Spider - depends how many are in front - ask,
You think one person knows - so everyone else just guesses how many parts to order, inventory stock and how long the line will run - just keep allocating to dealers. What you believe vs reality are two different worlds - yes you posted and tried to pivot but go ahead and post - 1 person knows how Ferrari runs an entire factory - ok FYI - sales does not run production, that day came and went a long time ago. Bean counters Marketing Engineering Sales back to bean counters - everything ends and begins with bean counters. Welcome to 2.7B earnings 5500 employees producing 7B.
Of course they plan, but they also have access to "just in time" manufacturing and they also have to build and store parts for warranty work etc. The number is never really hard coded on normal production, it's a directionally correct number that can fluctuate one way or another aka +/- a percentage.
The VS cars hold their value much better than the regular versions because they are more bad ass. The Speciale will always hold its value as the most bad ass version of the last pure NA Ferrari V8 and also the styling is essentially perfect and corrects all the suboptimal elements of the base car, which was still great.
Tried to pivot??? What are you talking about man? I only posted the potential Pista numbers to give an idea of what 85% value of that could look like. Then I shared a personal opinion later on that I don’t think the dealer knows what final production numbers look like because of world factors that haven’t even occurred yet. If sales are really good they will probably produce more. If for some reason tariffs increase to 500% and no one buys then they will produce less. Are you okay?
Once again, no one knows jack **** but coco. No one can have an opinion but coco. No one can share information but coco. It’s very tiring being in a thread with this expert who has no information but to say “you’re wrong”.
So far, I love my newly acquired 296 GTB AF. Regardless, the market is in general uncomfortable with hybrids- which shows in resale values. Won’t the aftermarket react the same way to the VS? It appears that those who are comfortable with buying a hybrid are more likely to buy new. The used car buyers appear less brave when it comes to change. Unfortunately, I presume another step down in depreciation will arrive for all variants of the 296 when in a replacement model Ferrari figures out how to untether the car from the charger when not in use. The occasional bricking of the 296 creates the appearance that the car is unreliable when it just needs to always be connected to a charger- which can be a big inconvenience for people especially when traveling. And the haptics- which aren’t that bad will eventually be corrected. In the mean time it’s a black eye for Ferrari. I do like the modernity it adds to the car but the execution on a number of functions is unfortunately a fail. Do people really want $400- $600k headaches? For now… I do. Why- because all in all it’s that good a super car and most of the headaches can be avoided if diligent. And I (we) might be in the minority.
Traditionally deliveries might begin in Europe late 2025 with US Easter 2026 so non-VIP would probably be looking at 2027 maybe 2028 However as this is not a new model in production terms but replacing 296GTB on line it could well begin sooner but with most deliveries in 2027 (effectively after 296GTS production ends and prior to deliveries of whatever comes next)
Agreed but from presentation to delivery beginning for new models is usually quite long and normally the last VS Spider overlap with the non-VS GTB
Can you simply argue the point - debate, go for it Let's hear something that you can verify - you are like Day355 talking cryptic. I'm simply telling you - growing up with car factories and manufacturing for decades - these factories aren't screwing around with supplier orders and inventory. They don't give out PO's and put plus or minus - work / talk to factories and tiered suppliers. Suppliers have tolerances to meet - which means the tools and dies are good for X production. Anything past that and there is a huge cost and time - visit a factory or supplier and see what it takes to make one part in tolerance No factories at this level play with numbers - they are exact and coded prior to production. You know differently - prove it. Every single part ordered from suppliers is coded for a specific car upon receipt it's just in time production from Toyota 30 years ago / from raw materials to products installed - this is not a game of "if's". I don't think you really how many parts suppliers workers it takes to coordinate a car, efficiently. Just their new plant is 500k sf - every step is calculated as is every part. Curious how many parts do you think goes in a 296VS and how many man hours to build. ???
Of course there is +/- but it's' not on POs to suppliers, it's built into models. Manufacturers don't rely solely on the initial forecast. They build a responsive system around it using constant monitoring, frequent short-term forecast updates, operational flexibility (production adjustments, inventory buffers), rapid communication (especially with dealers and suppliers), and tactical tools (incentives, logistics) to manage the deviations from the initial plan. The goal is to minimize disruptions, control costs associated with over/under production, and meet or control customer demand/market as is the case with Ferrari.
From what I can gather, to give details but not get fired or lose his access. I really appreciate his insights.
Not sure I agree or can get down with that. If Ferrari knows who he is and monitor this place, he’s been extremely critical of them as a company and their lineup. I’d think that would end the relationship before giving better insight into future models. And if it was that important, why risk it by saying anything at all?
