Ignition switch

Ignition switch needs to be turned twice to activate the starter??

 

Not usually, unless I'm misinterpreting the meaning of "turned twice". Some background information would be helpful (other than your age): Model, year, country, gearbox type, how long you have owned the car, whether you have an owner's handbook and read it or not,...

I can't assume you have a 360, because some 430 owners have had a "senior moment" and forgotten to push the starter button on the steering wheel

 

I can not imagine that! Possibly beginning senility?

 

Many times, some even near the end of my 430 ownership, did I forget that I had to press that damn big red button…

 

Sorry it is not a senior moment.
That would be less expensive!
The car is a 360F1.
As I stated, I have to go through the start procedure twice.
On the second attempt the starter engages and car starts no problem.
First attempt....nothing....

 

Check the volt reading at the solenoid when the key is turned to start, both the starter supply and the signal wire

 

Do you normally wait for the OK signal to appear on the dash before moving the key from ON to START? Some electronics need a moment to boot up.

 

I believe so but I will check to see my habits..

 

So I checked my starting procedure and it appears that if I hold the key in the start position for several seconds on the first attempt it will engage the starter and the car will start. But it takes a few seconds. On the second attempt the starter will engage immediately. I can live with it taking a few seconds but I don't think that is the way it should be.

 

What volts did you get on the 2 wires i said to check ?
On the 430 there is a relay for the starter behind the seats, does the 360 have the same setup. If so find a non essential relay and swap for the starter relay and see if that helps

 

As suggested, try swapping relays (behind the left hand seat), but then you'll have to pull out your voltmeter. The windscreen wiper relay appears to be the same value as the starter relay.

Note that the immobiliser and the F1 TCU can have an effect on the starting process. Looking at the wiring diagrams, I see that it is possible to bypass the F1 ECU with a jumper wire, but I don't know what effect it will have on the F1 system and the rest of the car.

 

For reference, plug 8H/28H behind the left hand seat can be disconnected and a jumper wire can be put on the grey and grey/white wires of 8H (the lower half). On gated cars, there is a jumper wire (and no F1 TCU).

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It may be that there is some kind of processing delay in the F1 TCU (?)

 

Do you park it in gear as Ferrari suggests? If so it takes a couple of seconds for the transmission to select neutral before engagement of starter.

 

I always park it in neutral. I will check the wiring diagrams and check for relays that may be slow reacting. Normally when a relays coils is energized, the relays should activate immediately. But that is a good start. may take a few days to get to it but I will do it.
Thanks

 

Bump. Was a fix ever found for this? My car has started having the same behavior for the past month or so. I have a few theories but given that access to the stated requires removing the bumper I’d like to try to narrow my search first.

 

So, repeating what was said before:
Do you wait for the OK symbol to appear on the dash? (post #7)
Have you tried swapping relays? (post #10)
Do you have something to jumper that plug behind the left hand seat? (post #11 & #12). This basically bypasses F1 TCU control of the starter. If you want more details, I can provide them.

Generally....
Is your battery ok? How old is it?
Does the behaviour change if the car is warm? If you start the car, then turn it off immediately, and restart it (waiting for the OK symbol), is the starter behaviour the same?

 

Follow up for anyone who finds this post like I did. After digging a bit more this is pretty standard for cars with a CS TCU. If you've had one installed keep an eye on the dash until the transmission light goes out (which might not be after you get the "Check OK" screen and then the car should fire right up.