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  1. Tmore

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    Ignition switch needs to be turned twice to activate the starter??
     
  2. Qavion

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    Not usually, unless I'm misinterpreting the meaning of "turned twice". Some background information would be helpful (other than your age): Model, year, country, gearbox type, how long you have owned the car, whether you have an owner's handbook and read it or not,...

    I can't assume you have a 360, because some 430 owners have had a "senior moment" and forgotten to push the starter button on the steering wheel :D
     
  3. Penzinger

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    I can not imagine that! Possibly beginning senility?
     

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  4. PCarRI

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    Many times, some even near the end of my 430 ownership, did I forget that I had to press that damn big red button…
     
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  5. Tmore

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    Sorry it is not a senior moment.
    That would be less expensive!
    The car is a 360F1.
    As I stated, I have to go through the start procedure twice.
    On the second attempt the starter engages and car starts no problem.
    First attempt....nothing....
     
  6. mike32

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    Check the volt reading at the solenoid when the key is turned to start, both the starter supply and the signal wire
     
  7. Qavion

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    Do you normally wait for the OK signal to appear on the dash before moving the key from ON to START? Some electronics need a moment to boot up.
     
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  8. Tmore

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    I believe so but I will check to see my habits..
     
  9. Tmore

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    So I checked my starting procedure and it appears that if I hold the key in the start position for several seconds on the first attempt it will engage the starter and the car will start. But it takes a few seconds. On the second attempt the starter will engage immediately. I can live with it taking a few seconds but I don't think that is the way it should be.
     
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  10. mike32

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    What volts did you get on the 2 wires i said to check ?
    On the 430 there is a relay for the starter behind the seats, does the 360 have the same setup. If so find a non essential relay and swap for the starter relay and see if that helps
     
  11. Qavion

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    As suggested, try swapping relays (behind the left hand seat), but then you'll have to pull out your voltmeter. The windscreen wiper relay appears to be the same value as the starter relay.

    Note that the immobiliser and the F1 TCU can have an effect on the starting process. Looking at the wiring diagrams, I see that it is possible to bypass the F1 ECU with a jumper wire, but I don't know what effect it will have on the F1 system and the rest of the car.
     
  12. Qavion

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    For reference, plug 8H/28H behind the left hand seat can be disconnected and a jumper wire can be put on the grey and grey/white wires of 8H (the lower half). On gated cars, there is a jumper wire (and no F1 TCU).

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    It may be that there is some kind of processing delay in the F1 TCU (?)
     
  13. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Do you park it in gear as Ferrari suggests? If so it takes a couple of seconds for the transmission to select neutral before engagement of starter.
     
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  14. Tmore

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    I always park it in neutral. I will check the wiring diagrams and check for relays that may be slow reacting. Normally when a relays coils is energized, the relays should activate immediately. But that is a good start. may take a few days to get to it but I will do it.
    Thanks
     
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