We need a race. F430 VS 360CS.

I really don't see the need for excitement here. Correct me if I'm wrong but, it's my understanding after reading just about every F430 magazine test printed, that only one maybe two tests showed these high times and about 10 other test showed anywhere from 3.5 sec to 4.0 sec to 60Mph (and hence lower numbers in the more important areas such as 0-100Mph). Even if that turns out to be true, for a couple of grand, I can bump that Hp by about 25 or 30.

By the way, I happen to have kept every single article, I just don't want to have to search through them.

 

I have a CS in Southern Cal. If anyone wishes to test their 430 against it, send me a PM. I think the US 430 is about the same as the US CS.

 

lap times are the only true indicator as you need power , brakes , suspension/handling , driver skill ( basically the total package ) . these cars were designed with track focus in mind. going hard in a straight line isn't what ferrari is about . they are F1 orientated and want to push that knowledge onto road cars .I will compare cars in october. stay tuned

rock on

 

If you find anyone who would race your CS in socal I would love to tape it and put it on line. let me know

 

sorry i like to speed read through the long posts but i'm not very good at it

 

I was interesting in buying a CS, but at the sametime I have a deposit on a f430 that supposed to be delivered in the next 8 to 12 mos. Then I asked a local f-mechanic and he told that a f430 is a much better car than a 360. F430 has much more HP and more T. So I'm just waiting for my f430.

 

Im thinking that lap times would be the best measure. Use the same driver, same tires on both cars, same time of day & weather ect..

In fact, it might even be better to do laps at 2 different tracks too. IMO a CS should easily out lap a 430 at Lime Rock while a 430 would win at Road America

 

Oh please, you're trusting a mechanic, even an f-mechanic, on his opinion? Big deal if the F430 has more flywheel torque, the 360 has shorter gears. Even if thats not enough, the 430 is way fatter than the CS. Plus, it had the revised aero from the beggining. They were able to give it more downforce, but keep the cD @ 0.35, but that cD comes with the 430's greater frontal area, so the drag has increased significantly over the 360's. Plus on a road course, the Challenge part of the name would really stand out.

 

Its not a race against a stradale that we need , its giving a good kicking to Ferrari . Let them know that enough is enough .

Overweighted car , underpowered ..I love Ferrari but i hate being a fool.

 

alanhenson, do you own a Ferrari? just curious.

tnx, Bill

 

Well get me one too, silver with the stripe. Yellow seats and red calipers.

 

if you were paying attention

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64420

 

Was the 360 CS even out on the track after the F430 pitted?

 

Seems like there's confusion between the US and Euro 430 and CS. Need to be careful to compare apples with apples. Most Magazine tests to date used the Euro 430. I suppose Ferrari quoted specs for that, then reluctantly adds a few hundred pounds and other pollution devices for the US, without publishing the reduced specs that result.

In other words, they build the car for the Euro market and just do the easiest thing to sell them in the US.

 

If you're racing then against each other on a track, my money's on the 360CS. It's lower weight will give it the edge in cornering, handling and braking.

Even losing a *little* in acceleration against the 430, it will have the advantage of carrying more speed into bends, and more crucially out of them.

On the road, it's a tough call and the 430 may be better.

Jas

 

My salesperson told me a guy took delivery of a 430 but decided to sell it and keep his CS. He loves the CS for its weekend fun and didn't want a fine GT (430) for that. Everyone has different needs:

430 = almost ordinary; fun for long comfortably-sporty trips
CS = not ordinary; raw, loud, sensory overload!

 

On the track, the F430 really does fall behind. Obviously the 360 CS is lighter, but many people recall that the F430 revs the same yet has more power. True, but think about it, 3.6 vs. 4.3, the CS's engine will be able to reach high rpm and maximum power much sooner than the F430 with its lower reciprocating mass. This, plus shorter gears, a much lighter curb weight, and less drag means that the F430 may not be as dominant in the straights as everyone thinks. Just watch the posted video, the 360 CS could pull away whenever it wanted. It was also superior through the corners and coming out of them, the 360 CS got on the throttle MUCH sooner than did the F430.

 

I owned the CS and now I have my 430. I don't really care which one is better. I love them both for the different reasons. Why are we comparing these two? When and If Ferrari builds the 430CS then we should compare the two CSs.

 

I think the main reason we're comparing them is to find out if Ferrari can continue to build the authentic cars that it is known for, rather than change them slightly over the years to the point that they no longer resemble the authentic Ferraris of the past. I think that the 360 CS is a perfect example of a Ferrari, but I'm a little worried that maybe the F430 is a step in the wrong direction. Ferrari bumped the displacement higher in one step than they ever have in the past for a new V8 model. Why? To make it easier for anyone to drive, the 360 had little torque, and had to be revved high to move anywhere, it was a driver's car just like Enzo intended for all of his cars. The F430 now can be driven by the lame celebrity drivers who purchase them, which to me is cause for concern in terms of the future of Ferrari's design. The term "A Ferrari owner is not nessisarily a Ferrari driver" may have died with the introduction of the F430.