Malc, The only "upgrade" that I know of is to use the fuse panel from a later model Mondial, 1985 and up. The size and shape are identical to your existing one plus all the connectors are the same. The only real difference is the later style uses blade type fuses. Regretfully, the later style panel shares the same A/C, fuel pump, lighting & radiator fan circuit weakness found in your current panel. With any luck, actually with a LOT of luck, one of several people currently working on a new panel will succeed. Zertec, RoyHanks, FasterIsBetter and Jon22 are all trying to develop a new panel that will address the shortcomings of the factory unit. The factory panels are no longer available to my knowledge. Please join me and others in wishing the above named folks success in their development efforts. Paul
I have an 86 Mondial and have had many of those same problems . Please keep me in th loop on how they make out on the panel.
Thanks Paul, Looks like I will have to try to work around it. I am considering bypassing these circuits with my own fuse box (two holder type). Problem means that when a fuse box becomes available it sort of messes things up a bit. I was ready to bypass the fuel pump and A/C fuses. Then it appears the cooling fan fuse gets extremely hot and the other day I opened the front bonnet to find the fuse smoking, it was WD40 that was causing it though it does cause me to worry somewhat. Now my stop lights/indicators stop working intermittantly.
Guy's, I should have pricing pretty soon. Gerber files are done!! I got my hands on the new style board and used it for reverse engineering. I had 2 old style boards that I started on and purchased the new style to replace my old board and noticed that it was an all around better design. I found a new style bad board with only 1 burnt circuit (fuel pump). I found a manufacturer who is currently working a quote for 10,20, and 30 board runs. I have NO IDEA what they will come back with since I don't know how complex a turn key assembly will be. The board will work in both the older ceramic style housing and the new GM style housing. If you have the ceramic style you will give up the fuse housing and the fuses will go straight onto the board (doesn't look bad). I'll be posting the price here soon so be on the lookout......
The only real difference is the later style uses blade type fuses.......... possible to post a pic from the old style fuse box (8 and QV) and new style fusebox (3.2 and T) in here?? Somebody?? I have blade type fuses in my 1982 Mondial 8. It is allready upgrated??
OK guys, Here's the deal. I need 4 Guinea Pigs. For being a guinea pig you get a board for 500.00 USD. This is for the board with connectors only (no relays, fuses, or housings). You must have a blade style (ATC/ATO GM Style fuse) box or a ceramic type but you will give up the fuse housings (2) and plug your new blade style fuses straight onto the board (not really a big deal). New boards have 2 oz/sq inch of copper, so it should last quite a bit longer than the originals. I will warranty the new boards to the 4 candidates for 1 year (in other words I will hang onto 4 boards and swap it out should yours fail within the year). No other warranties expressed or implied. Also, if anyone has a fried newer style board I need one to shape a mold. I will be happy to pay for it (working or not, preferrably NOT). Let me know.... Also, I just placed a new board in my 84 QV and after studying the nature of the design I know it wont handle brighter headlights (I'm converting over to newer style halogens), 2 fans, fuel pump, and fog lights for long without frying so I am adding 6 relays and fuses to take this load. This essentially turns the electronics board into a nice switching device and should extend the life of the board for a lifetime. I suggest that if you did or are planning to convert your headlights or have 2 cooling fans running (I live in S. Texas) that you do the same. I'll update this weekend or next with the results. I dont like cutting into the wiring harness and the connectors for the headlights are a pain to locate (let me know if you know where to get them). Anyone interested in being 1 of the 4 elite please drop me an email @ [email protected]
I have a 83 Mondial Cabriolet that needs the fuse box as well , car is mint condition but can not enjoy driving it due to this darn fuse box problem. What do you need from me to get this going ? Please let me know ..... Thanx in advance, Mira
You have options. PM Royhanks above and see if you can be a guinea pig. Though I suspect that is well in hand. I myself had a Ferrari specialist bypass two (for now) fuses. I have got myself a small (double) fuse carrier and intend to bypass the other two myself. NOTE! This still utilises the fuse board which can also cause problems, of which have also been repaired on mine. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70195 This is a big problem and does spoil the car. However once this is resolved... If you don't want to attempt yourself, then perhaps speak to a specialist.
Not to spoil the party but.... Have just gone through the fusebox issue on my 83 Euro Mondial and... As is the case on most limited production, hand built cars there are variations in the wiring system from car to car...the factory diagrams are really only a guide There are a few circuits on the cars where the issue is not only in the fuse panel but the guage of wiring is too light for the electrical load...if you change out the fuse box several circuits within the wiring harness can still overheat and cause shorts and resulting fire....such as the fuel pump, AC and radiator fan circuits. Consequently several of these entire circuits will have to either be rewired with heavier guage wire or subdivided into additional circuits to lessen the load. There are a number of empty circuits on the box. Just have to annotate them on your new hand drawn wiring diagram. Hopefully the new boxes will help, but recommend going through the entire wiring/electrical system on the car, otherwise the same problems will still exist. This is a timely project, you have to take the entire harness out of the car (although the harness that goes up under the dash to the instruments and to the info console seems adequate), strip the outer wrap and trace each circuit listing the electrical load and calculating wire size required. All this takes about 40 hours, plus the time required to correctly repair the fuse box issues that are there aside from the circuit board. Have gone through this on my 83 Euro Mondial and it works perfectly, and is absolutely troublefree. Scott B Ferrari Mondial Swift DB4
Add me to the list for a new fuse box. I rewired my fuel pump relay and fuse last year. 2 days ago, my turn signals just gave up. (hazards are still good though).
That happened to mine. The two circuits bypassed to date are the Fuel Pump (my first problem) and second the turn signals. Like yours my hazards still worked. I know the A/C and Cooling fan circuits are next, they get pretty hot!!!
Has anyone heard from Royhanks since October (his last post on this subject)? Did anyone get one of the new panels as a "guinea pig" and if so how does it work? Paul
I put an updated (blade type fuse) fusebox brand new in Birdman's "new" QV coupe before I sold it... Many, many people had kludged it before I got so frustrated I just wrote a check... and I've been bypassing A/C, cooling fan and fuse box circuits for twenty years! -Peter
I have had a friend of mine who manufactures computer circuit boards and does automotive electrical repairs look at an old Mondial fusebox. He believes that he can produce a new, upgraded board with upgraded connectors, and use that to replace the board in old boxes, including all assembly, for less than $1000. This is dependent of being able to order and sell a reasonable number of circuit boards, since the set-up costs for a small number of boards would be very high. So, how many folks would be interested (just trying to get a rough head count, not asking for commitments)? I'm not sure at this point if that would include changing the old bullet fuses to the newer spade fuses on the old boards.
